No RX 9070XT

[Going_AFK]

I literally thought i had the RX 9070 XT at MSRP I WAS OVER THE MOON, i took a day off from work so i could get one. But as I go into work on a friday morning I see that my order has been cancelled. Apperently they cannot fuffil it at MSRP and I afford to pay for the higher prices since I needed to buy a new PSU anyways. I was super happy. I was downloading graphics mods getting ready and had DDU ready. I even paid for saturday shipping so I could be there when it arrives but no. Ebuyer cancelled my order. I used them for the RTX 3070 launch at the time when I got my student loan and needed a PC. But with this launch I will never use them again. Even companies like overclockers UK the site was unusable, I pressed add to basket but the site would crash when I got into my cart. I hope AMD could release more at MSRP as that is the card I am going for not the £700 versions that they put out. 

 

It really sucks the state of the market, the joy of buying a GPU was just stripped away in a moments notice


TLDR: UK computer retailers suck

[Somerandomtechyboi]

Welp next best thing is a used 6950xt at 400-450£ and they still perform like a 4070tis so not too far behind the 9070xt

[porina]

That sucks. OCUK have said, and it has also been reported from other places, that the MSRP models are limited so don't expect them to return.

 

I was looking at OCUK and Scan at launch. No intention of buying myself, but was curious to see how long it lasted. Scan sold out of their initial wave in minutes, but their site remained up if a bit slow. I saw some higher price models go up later but they also sold out. OCUK actually had a MSRP model showing as buyable slightly before the expected sale time. I didn't click through so I don't know if it would have let me, and later I did see the listing page was often wrong on stock indication. Once you actually click through it was out. Their site totally died with a 504 error just after go live. Eventually they got Cloudflare queue up, but even if you waited you got the 504 again. I didn't check ebuyer but they're probably the top 3 of UK sellers with the two I mentioned. So all in, a total mess.

[Going_AFK]

1 minute ago, porina said:

That sucks. OCUK have said, and it has also been reported from other places, that the MSRP models are limited so don't expect them to return.

 

I was looking at OCUK and Scan at launch. No intention of buying myself, but was curious to see how long it lasted. Scan sold out of their initial wave in minutes, but their site remained up if a bit slow. I saw some higher price models go up later but they also sold out. OCUK actually had a MSRP model showing as buyable slightly before the expected sale time. I didn't click through so I don't know if it would have let me, and later I did see the listing page was often wrong on stock indication. Once you actually click through it was out. Their site totally died with a 504 error just after go live. Eventually they got Cloudflare queue up, but even if you waited you got the 504 again. I didn't check ebuyer but they're probably the top 3 of UK sellers with the two I mentioned. So all in, a total mess.

Yh exactly, I also tried CCL computers and a few other ones. But it doesnt seem like the MSRP stock is a priority it is all about the higher models which is likely to be its normalised price. 

[porina]

30 minutes ago, Going_AFK said:

But it doesnt seem like the MSRP stock is a priority it is all about the higher models which is likely to be its normalised price. 

It's worse, that some models were never intended to be MSRP long term. Indications are they're a one-off discount for launch. Maybe there could be some back to MSRP later, but the market would have to be saturated in stock first. Given shortages on both sides, that's not going to be any time soon.

 

While AMD made a bit of a splash by delaying the launch and having "more" stock visible, I don't think it changes anything compared to if they had launched at their earlier plan. The number of units available to this time would be the same. It's just when they are sold, not how many in total.

[GarlicDeliverySystem]

So we are in an era now where the MSRP at launch is just for the first 10k customers world wide? After that it is a free-for-all again and scalpers gonna scalp even harder?

I mean, if this is the new reality of the GPU market right now, I can see a point of just buying a Mac or console and don't bother with newer games anymore.

[venomtail]

29 minutes ago, GarlicDeliverySystem said:

So we are in an era now where the MSRP at launch is just for the first 10k customers world wide? After that it is a free-for-all again and scalpers gonna scalp even harder?

I mean, if this is the new reality of the GPU market right now, I can see a point of just buying a Mac or console and don't bother with newer games anymore.

Pretty sure no one can be bothered to make MSRP cards anymore. I've noticed a trend of all card makers pushing for their higher end, premium version of card models more and more than base models. Like ASUS has completely abandoned their budget GPU variants, just TUF, Strix and so on exist.

 

Doesn't help that credit and spread payments are now more popular than ever, so many consumers aren't bothered about spending a little bit more cause suddenly that $999 GPU payment looks more like $333 for 3 months.

[WereCat]

2 hours ago, porina said:

It's worse, that some models were never intended to be MSRP long term. Indications are they're a one-off discount for launch. Maybe there could be some back to MSRP later, but the market would have to be saturated in stock first. Given shortages on both sides, that's not going to be any time soon.

I'm not sure if that's false advertising but it's definitely scummy to announce price on which reviews are based but then change the prices to be higher... Having stupid prices by default now aside

[porina]

25 minutes ago, WereCat said:

I'm not sure if that's false advertising but it's definitely scummy to announce price on which reviews are based but then change the prices to be higher... Having stupid prices by default now aside

It makes me wonder where to point the finger. Without evidence, let's suppose AMD/Nvidia say to AIBs, make GPUs, some of which at MSRP. If it is as simple as that, AIBs might say, we only need to make a few, then focus on the more profitable models. If this scenario is at all like what is happening, then I think it would take AMD/Nvidia to say to AIBs, at least X% of ongoing production must be for MSRP models. Drop an ultimatum. If they don't do that, they'll do it themselves and go into direct competition. For example, I would love it if FE were more widely available in general. It feels like there's a few at launch, and I'm not sure if there is ongoing supply beyond that. Having said that, Nvidia could be accused of being a guilty of what I charged AIBs with. Sure FE are at MSRP, but if availability sucks, does it matter long term?

 

Personally, I feel another "problem" is that AIBs look for low value reasons to increase sales price. That is, they try to give perceived value but don't really. I don't speak for everyone, but I want a GPU that works with no fuss. Good enough cooling. No need for RGB. No extreme OC. That's it. Keep making some with RGB or extreme whatever for those that want it, but I feel the offering balance is off because it doesn't pay to make simple models.

 

Edit: just saw this: AMD makes vague noises about wanting more MSRP sales. If they can do it short term, that's a win. If it happens much later (say, 6 months) that's just market adjusting itself once demand catches up.

https://videocardz.com/newz/retailers-now-canceling-cheaper-radeon-rx-9070-preorders-msrp-stock-depleted-but-amd-wants-to-fix-it

 

[Zodiark1593]

3 hours ago, GarlicDeliverySystem said:

So we are in an era now where the MSRP at launch is just for the first 10k customers world wide? After that it is a free-for-all again and scalpers gonna scalp even harder?

I mean, if this is the new reality of the GPU market right now, I can see a point of just buying a Mac or console and don't bother with newer games anymore.

If the primary titles you’re interested in are the latest AAA games, consoles have always been the most cost effective experience by a mile. Though you don’t come to PC just for AAA games, right?

[jordanbuilds1]

12 minutes ago, Zodiark1593 said:

If the primary titles you’re interested in are the latest AAA games, consoles have always been the most cost effective experience by a mile. Though you don’t come to PC just for AAA games, right?

nowadays, that seems to be the only reason console players switch over. they here the mumbo jumbo about "1000$ pcs will give you 1000fps and is way better than consoles" and come over with high ass expectations.

[TVwazhere]

4 hours ago, GarlicDeliverySystem said:

So we are in an era now where the MSRP at launch is just for the first 10 customers world wide?

FTFY  

 

It does seem to be that way unfortunately. I've been trying to eye a B580 for MSRP (250 USD) for an upgrade and everything is 350+ despite a "low adoption rate". I can only find an alibaba listing for $260, but with $25 shipping that will take a month (not the end of the world I guess but still, not pulling any triggers)

 

These days we cant blame supply issues like we could COVID-19 era, we can only blame either high demand, economy state (inflation) or corporate greed. Likely all three contribute to some extent.

[Doobeedoo]

Sucks, I really wonder how things will be in few months especially with more supply. That said depends where you are, in general I don't order online I go to a store and buy it, I can do that now.

The MSRP $600 I really hope you didn't expect near or exact 1:1 conversion to £ or € as that never happens with anything. The US is the one will pay the least. Where I am it's also somewhat more than where you are the cheapest one. From what I've seen there were so called MSRP ones but only limited. Still, things are crap for years in general, especially Europe though. I still see XTX same price when I got it on launch. Things don't budge cheaper over time at all.

[Stahlmann]

12 minutes ago, Doobeedoo said:

Sucks, I really wonder how things will be in few months especially with more supply. That said depends where you are, in general I don't order online I go to a store and buy it, I can do that now.

The MSRP $600 I really hope you didn't expect near or exact 1:1 conversion to £ or € as that never happens with anything. The US is the one will pay the least. Where I am it's also somewhat more than where you are the cheapest one. From what I've seen there were so called MSRP ones but only limited. Still, things are crap for years in general, especially Europe though. I still see XTX same price when I got it on launch. Things don't budge cheaper over time at all.

Pre-covid it was pretty much a 1:1 conversion for most electronics. Germany was even cheaper than US pricing because a $599 US MSRP didn't include tax, but still translated to 599€, already including the 19% sales tax, on top of € being worth more than $. But post-covid electronics prices have gone through the roof, mostly selling around 50% more than the US MSRP. Idk if that's because of tarifs or german retailers just felt like a price hike was in order. But it sucks. Ever since covid pricing took place, I've been buying the most expensive components 2nd hand to get at least SOME value.

 

And still, I know plenty of people that are just waiting for 5090 to get back in stock so they can buy one, even around 4000€. As long as enough consumers keep consuming, it'll only get worse. We're so cooked.

 

At first it seemed AMD was ready to shake up the market with the 9000 series GPU launch. But now it's clear it was just  short-term thing for good publicity, rather than a long-term play at actual market share. If the MSRP is only possible with a short-term discount from AMD then at least we know who to blame for inflated prices: AMD.

[Doobeedoo]

21 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

Pre-covid it was pretty much a 1:1 conversion for most electronics. Germany was even cheaper than US pricing because a $599 US MSRP didn't include tax, but still translated to 599€, already including the 19% sales tax, on top of € being worth more than $. But post-covid electronics prices have gone through the roof, mostly selling around 50% more than the US MSRP. Idk if that's because of tarifs or german retailers just felt like a price hike was in order. But it sucks. Ever since covid pricing took place, I've been buying the most expensive components 2nd hand to get at least SOME value.

 

And still, I know plenty of people that are just waiting for 5090 to get back in stock so they can buy one, even around 4000€. As long as enough consumers keep consuming, it'll only get worse. We're so cooked.

 

At first it seemed AMD was ready to shake up the market with the 9000 series GPU launch. But now it's clear it was just  short-term thing for good publicity, rather than a long-term play at actual market share. If the MSRP is only possible with a short-term discount from AMD then at least we know who to blame for inflated prices: AMD.

Even back then, before at least where I am in Croatia 25% tax things costed well above that, not all electronics, but yeah, sad.

I agree until enough people who have many to spare keep buying prices will stay. Just how things are I feel there's enough people with extra money buying stuff in general. Or doing loans hah. 

We'll eventually see how things were with sale figures just need more time. More batches should come, at least availability is there though. I never had issue with that. 

It's not really as simple to blame a single entity really. They could've said MSRP is 100 it would be higher due to all mess with chain. There was discussion about that on X from YT reviewers in more detail as it doesn't seem so simple.

Can only hope in time that more aggressive performance and price in the future brings things to normal.

[WereCat]

3 hours ago, porina said:

It makes me wonder where to point the finger. Without evidence, let's suppose AMD/Nvidia say to AIBs, make GPUs, some of which at MSRP. If it is as simple as that, AIBs might say, we only need to make a few, then focus on the more profitable models. If this scenario is at all like what is happening, then I think it would take AMD/Nvidia to say to AIBs, at least X% of ongoing production must be for MSRP models. Drop an ultimatum. If they don't do that, they'll do it themselves and go into direct competition. For example, I would love it if FE were more widely available in general. It feels like there's a few at launch, and I'm not sure if there is ongoing supply beyond that. Having said that, Nvidia could be accused of being a guilty of what I charged AIBs with. Sure FE are at MSRP, but if availability sucks, does it matter long term?

 

Personally, I feel another "problem" is that AIBs look for low value reasons to increase sales price. That is, they try to give perceived value but don't really. I don't speak for everyone, but I want a GPU that works with no fuss. Good enough cooling. No need for RGB. No extreme OC. That's it. Keep making some with RGB or extreme whatever for those that want it, but I feel the offering balance is off because it doesn't pay to make simple models.

 

Edit: just saw this: AMD makes vague noises about wanting more MSRP sales. If they can do it short term, that's a win. If it happens much later (say, 6 months) that's just market adjusting itself once demand catches up.

https://videocardz.com/newz/retailers-now-canceling-cheaper-radeon-rx-9070-preorders-msrp-stock-depleted-but-amd-wants-to-fix-it

 

Man, they are already on 25% sale! What a steal! (to be fair with 23% tax that $549 MSRP to EUR + 23% ir around 730EUR to 735EUR. But saying this is a sale is just ridiculous).

 

edit:

 

Spoiler

I can now actually find in stock 9070 for MSRP with tax included:

 

And these 9070 XT that are out of stock but actually good price on the XFX

 

[jordanbuilds1]

1 minute ago, WereCat said:

Man, they are already on 25% sale! What a steal!

this is the biggest slap in the face since nvidia said that the 5070 will reach 4090 performance

[animal1666]

I can understand America getting price increase because of the tariffs but why did we ???