GTA VI will Probably Perform Quite Poorly

[WallacEngineering]

Steve from Gamers Nexus has just reviewed Nvidia's new RTX 4070-Super. In the benchmarks he states that GTA V is still included because it still scales on modern cards.

 

If you ask me, this near-decade old game still being demanding can only mean that GTA VI will probably be one of the most demanding games ever released.

 

With performance on GTA V still this relevant and demanding, I wonder just how low the FPS will go in GTA VI. Im sure even my Radeon RX 7900-XTX will have a hard time pushing triple-digit FPS at my 3440x1440p resolution with a mix of High and Ultra settings. Just something random to think about

 

 

[Levent]

GTA5 was extremely well optimized when it was released, even for a console port. So I dont think so.

[WallacEngineering]

7 minutes ago, Levent said:

GTA5 was extremely well optimized when it was released, even for a console port. So I dont think so.

Ya but you would expect a near-decade old game to run well over 200 FPS with a brand new GPU - even at higher resolutions, yet the 4070-Super barely manages about 130 at 1080p.

 

Guess it just goes to show how insanely demanding GTA really is. Its alot like Red Redemption 2.

[Levent]

1 minute ago, WallacEngineering said:

Ya but you would expect a near-decade old game to run well over 200 FPS with a brand new GPU - even at higher resolutions, yet the 4070-Super barely manages about 130 at 1080p.

 

Guess it just goes to show how insanely demanding GTA really is. Its alot like Red Redemption 2.

A lot has changed in the last 16 years. Having seen GTA5 source code, it has a VS 2008 solution file in it. Do the math. A decade old game doesnt magically get rewritten magically.

[Dedayog]

27 minutes ago, WallacEngineering said:

Steve from Gamers Nexus has just reviewed Nvidia's new RTX 4070-Super. In the benchmarks he states that GTA V is still included because it still scales on modern cards.

 

If you ask me, this near-decade old game still being demanding can only mean that GTA VI will probably be one of the most demanding games ever released.

 

With performance on GTA V still this relevant and demanding, I wonder just how low the FPS will go in GTA VI. Im sure even my Radeon RX 7900-XTX will have a hard time pushing triple-digit FPS at my 3440x1440p resolution with a mix of High and Ultra settings. Just something random to think about

 

 

It's demanding on certain settings, and in others it's very easy to run for the masses.

 

Non issue.

 

Are we already arguing over a game that won't be out for over a year still?  Why not just wait and see?

[ki8aras]

21 minutes ago, WallacEngineering said:

Ya but you would expect a near-decade old game to run well over 200 FPS with a brand new GPU - even at higher resolutions, yet the 4070-Super barely manages about 130 at 1080p.

 

Guess it just goes to show how insanely demanding GTA really is. Its alot like Red Redemption 2.

the benchmarks shown are at 4k highest settings, meaning the game runs at 4k highest settings at 50-60 fps on an rtx 3060, what more do you want exactly?

[Fasauceome]

48 minutes ago, WallacEngineering said:

If you ask me, this near-decade old game still being demanding can only mean that GTA VI will probably be one of the most demanding games ever released

It comes down to scaling. GTA V scales down and up super well, which is why it ran pretty good on my old Xbox 360 and why it also runs good when you crank the settings up and run a 4080 super. Loads of effects can be turned up and down, like reflections, shadows, AI characters, etc. 

[WallacEngineering]

1 hour ago, ki8aras said:

the benchmarks shown are at 4k highest settings, meaning the game runs at 4k highest settings at 50-60 fps on an rtx 3060, what more do you want exactly?

They also showed 1440p and 1080p. Besides the point is that GTA VI will Probably be extremely demanding

[WallacEngineering]

1 hour ago, Dedayog said:

It's demanding on certain settings, and in others it's very easy to run for the masses.

 

Non issue.

 

Are we already arguing over a game that won't be out for over a year still?  Why not just wait and see?

Not trying to start an argument its a forum, ur meant to discuss things when you have a thought, thats all.

[ki8aras]

36 minutes ago, WallacEngineering said:

They also showed 1440p and 1080p. Besides the point is that GTA VI will Probably be extremely demanding

from what i can see benchmarks for gta 5 only include numbers for 4k (anyone feel free to correct me if im blind atm).
Besides that though, your basing your whole point about gta 6 being extremely demanding on the fact that gta 5 is very demanding, (which we have estabished it isnt)

so your reasoning is kind of invalid, you can say that GTA 6 will be demanding don't get me wrong, but with the work that rockstar is putting in their games these days (the ones they build themselves, not the ones they hand to shitty third party studios) it won't be for a lack of optimization that's for sure 

[Avocado Diaboli]

Games aren't just demanding for the hell of it. If you want to sell a game, you intend for it to run on a majority of systems. It might be demanding if you crank the settings and resolution, but if they follow the same priorities as this far, it'll run fine on lower- and mid-range hardware and it'll probably still look fine, given that modern low presets look leagues better than they used to. Is this take speculation? Sure. But not any more so than yours.

[Dedayog]

54 minutes ago, WallacEngineering said:

Not trying to start an argument its a forum, ur meant to discuss things when you have a thought, thats all.

Sorry, but your post comes off a "prove me wrong" type.

 

Not only is your title stating a fact, your body is written to support it.  So your whole post is a viewpoint, not asking a question.

 

Coupled with the game isn't even out yet, let alone tested...

 

It sounds like you're looking to argue a little.  It's how I read it any way.

 

If not, no problem.  Just so you know how it may be coming across.

[WallacEngineering]

1 hour ago, ki8aras said:

from what i can see benchmarks for gta 5 only include numbers for 4k (anyone feel free to correct me if im blind atm).
Besides that though, your basing your whole point about gta 6 being extremely demanding on the fact that gta 5 is very demanding, (which we have estabished it isnt)

so your reasoning is kind of invalid, you can say that GTA 6 will be demanding don't get me wrong, but with the work that rockstar is putting in their games these days (the ones they build themselves, not the ones they hand to shitty third party studios) it won't be for a lack of optimization that's for sure 

What are you talking about? GTA V is still quite demanding. How else do you explain that other AAA games even on the highest settings shoot out 3-4 times The FBS using the same system? And of course we're comparing to modern games which shows its demand even more because even modern titles Orange is demanding in most cases.

 

If it wasn't demanding then an RTX4070 should be able to run such an old game at like 300 FPS at 1440p ultra. Although I'm not sure where the engine cap is for GTA V But I believe only the RTX 4090 can even hit it.

[WallacEngineering]

1 hour ago, Dedayog said:

Sorry, but your post comes off a "prove me wrong" type.

 

Not only is your title stating a fact, your body is written to support it.  So your whole post is a viewpoint, not asking a question.

 

Coupled with the game isn't even out yet, let alone tested...

 

It sounds like you're looking to argue a little.  It's how I read it any way.

 

If not, no problem.  Just so you know how it may be coming across.

What are you talking about I never asked anybody to "prove me wrong" nor did I even make it sound like that. It sounds to me like you're just jumping the conclusions for whatever reason.

 

I was literally saying "Hey check this out GTA V is still demanding even to this day after nearly a decade so that makes me wonder just how demanding GTA VI is going to be"

 

Seriously man I've seen you post on like a couple dozen different threats and you do this same thing like every single time where you just try to make people out to be argumentative or trying to cause a problem for no reason. It's just weird as hell man stop assuming everybody's out to cause problems. You got some serious issues, if it pains you that much to look at random conversations about random things that leave the forum lol it's the obvious solution.

 

By the way, you might want to read the title again. "GTA VI will PROBABLY Run Quite Poorly".

 

There is no fact statement In that title.

[WallacEngineering]

I believe I should clarify that when I say the game will probably run poorly, I don't mean so poorly it will be un-playable. I just mean that it will probably run quite similar to the way star field handled Nvidia graphics cards at launch before the update balanced the performance out for Nvidia users. In other words, it will be playable but the FPS numbers will seem quite low especially for higher tier tech.

 

I'm not sure why you guys would even doubt that, take a look at all the modern titles that have been coming out lately and how extremely demanding they are. Also, I imagine all of you have already seen the teaser trailer video so you already know how advanced the graphics are and considering those advanced graphics are also in a massive open world that needs to be rendered continuously It only makes sense to assume the game will run poorly overall.

 

Yeah I'm aware of the game isn't out yet But people have discussions about things that aren't out yet all the time like that's literally about 25% of all the discussions on this website especially when it comes to selecting hardware and whether or not to wait for next generation. I mean did you guys forget that this is a forum? Did you forget what forums are intended to be used for? I'm straight up confused as hell right now by everybody freaking out over a simple conversation about some speculation.

[Mark Kaine]

5 hours ago, WallacEngineering said:

Steve from Gamers Nexus has just reviewed Nvidia's new RTX 4070-Super. In the benchmarks he states that GTA V is still included because it still scales on modern cards.

 

If you ask me, this near-decade old game still being demanding can only mean that GTA VI will probably be one of the most demanding games ever released.

 

With performance on GTA V still this relevant and demanding, I wonder just how low the FPS will go in GTA VI. Im sure even my Radeon RX 7900-XTX will have a hard time pushing triple-digit FPS at my 3440x1440p resolution with a mix of High and Ultra settings. Just something random to think about

 

 

you're very mistaken here, gtav runs on potato,  its a PS3 game for crying out loud.

 

would recommend to lay off the youtube for a year or so until reality has caught up.

 

 

5 hours ago, WallacEngineering said:

Ya but you would expect a near-decade old game to run well over 200 FPS with a brand new GPU - even at higher resolutions, yet the 4070-Super barely manages about 130 at 1080p.

 

Guess it just goes to show how insanely demanding GTA really is. Its alot like Red Redemption 2.

wrong again, it does have some quirks with cpu limitation yes (but again, its a PS3 game, power of the CELL, yada, yada) and there's no need to run an arcade shooter/racer at over 200 fps, its still a well balanced game that can run well on even really old hardware  ~

 

1 hour ago, WallacEngineering said:

everybody freaking out over a simple conversation about some speculation.

 

i don't see anyone freaking out, i think we're just telling you that there's no reason to believe gta 6 will be somehow demanding,  no, it's likely it'll run on potato again,  rockstar *loves* money.

 

 

 

[Avocado Diaboli]

1 hour ago, WallacEngineering said:

I was literally saying "Hey check this out GTA V is still demanding even to this day after nearly a decade so that makes me wonder just how demanding GTA VI is going to be"

Crysis is also still a demanding game, because it was optimized like shit. Again, GTA V was intended to run on a majority of hardware, because Rockstar want to sell as many copies as possible to turn a profit. Have you even looked at the minimum and recommended specs?

 

 

GTA V came to PC in 2015. The minimum GPUs they list are from 2008. Meanwhile, the recommended GPUs are from 2012 and they're nowhere near the most performant you could get even when the cards came out.

 

You seem awfully defensive when your assessment gets called out as uninformed. You have nothing to base your conjectures upon, given that even historic evidence disagrees with you.

[WallacEngineering]

2 hours ago, Avocado Diaboli said:

Crysis is also still a demanding game, because it was optimized like shit. Again, GTA V was intended to run on a majority of hardware, because Rockstar want to sell as many copies as possible to turn a profit. Have you even looked at the minimum and recommended specs?

 

 

GTA V came to PC in 2015. The minimum GPUs they list are from 2008. Meanwhile, the recommended GPUs are from 2012 and they're nowhere near the most performant you could get even when the cards came out.

 

You seem awfully defensive when your assessment gets called out as uninformed. You have nothing to base your conjectures upon, given that even historic evidence disagrees with you.

 

I honestly don't care what anyone thinks. Why do you think Im only on this site like once per 3 months? Lol

 

And since when do minimum and recommended specs mean anything significant? They are usually so far off its not even funny.

 

I mean I guess once in a while they get it fairly close but about 90% of the time its just mot accurate.

 

@Administrator feel free to close this thread. Im not here to argue with children. It was meant to be a random thought, nothing more. Im out

[Avocado Diaboli]

5 hours ago, WallacEngineering said:

I honestly don't care what anyone thinks. Why do you think Im only on this site like once per 3 months? Lol

Oh I think that's not true. You care very much what we think, given your reaction to even the slightest bit of push-back. Never mind that the point of a forum is discourse and you're actively discouraging that with your explicit refusal to engage with others and their arguments, other than to outright dismiss them. If it's just the WallacEngineering narcissism hour every 3 months, why even bother visiting at all? After all, you don't care what anyone thinks...

 

5 hours ago, WallacEngineering said:

And since when do minimum and recommended specs mean anything significant? They are usually so far off its not even funny.

 

I mean I guess once in a while they get it fairly close but about 90% of the time its just mot accurate.

Another pure conjecture that flies in the face of reality. The listed specs are there to help purchase decisions. If a game doesn't perform on the listed hardware, the publisher risks refunds. Again, video games are a business. Publishers want to sell as many copies as possible. Not being ballpark accurate with the specs is not beneficial to anyone. You don't just get to handwave that away.

[ki8aras]

12 hours ago, WallacEngineering said:

What are you talking about? GTA V is still quite demanding. How else do you explain that other AAA games even on the highest settings shoot out 3-4 times The FBS using the same system? And of course we're comparing to modern games which shows its demand even more because even modern titles Orange is demanding in most cases.

 

If it wasn't demanding then an RTX4070 should be able to run such an old game at like 300 FPS at 1440p ultra. Although I'm not sure where the engine cap is for GTA V But I believe only the RTX 4090 can even hit it.

the engine cap is at 187 fps, pretty sure my 3070 can reach it
 

Edited January 17 by ki8aras
it was just a google search away

[BrandonLatzig]

If GTA 5 is optimized
then I only question one thing. Why can't other companies bother to just optimize their games?

[WereCat]

On 1/16/2024 at 6:05 PM, WallacEngineering said:

Ya but you would expect a near-decade old game to run well over 200 FPS with a brand new GPU - even at higher resolutions, yet the 4070-Super barely manages about 130 at 1080p.

 

Guess it just goes to show how insanely demanding GTA really is. Its alot like Red Redemption 2.

You run 8x MSAA?