RTX 4090s are now banned here in China, that's a thing now.

[longxh]

Mostly out of stock now, remaining stock now costs about 23000 CNY or about 3150 USD, once they're all gone I guess we can only get 4080s or Ada6000s

[ItTakes2ToMango]

Is there any reason why? Do you have a news source?

[longxh]

7 minutes ago, ItTakes2ToMango said:

Is there any reason why? Do you have a news source?

Apparently, it's about AI, and the 4090 has enough compute power for it to get banned.

 

Sorry for bad grammar, English isn't my main language.

Also I can't find an image in English.

[Levent]

11 minutes ago, ItTakes2ToMango said:

Is there any reason why? Do you have a news source?

I am assuming OP is talking about this.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/nvidia-may-be-forced-shift-out-some-countries-after-new-us-export-curbs-2023-10-17/

[RobGMun]

Surprised the 4080 hasn't been banned as well. That's no slouch either, almost as good.

 

Or it's coming down the pipeline to be banned as well

[longxh]

1 minute ago, RobGMun said:

Surprised the 4080 hasn't been banned as well. That's no slouch either, almost as good.

 

Or it's coming down the pipeline to be banned as well

I'm more surprised the Ada6000 isn't banned either, probably soon though

[HorseBattery]

Aren't these GPUs assembled in China? Where are they going to make them then?

 

EDIT: Apparently most (Asus, MSI, Gigabyte, Palit) are made in Taiwan according to Wikipedia. Sapphire and Zotac are made in Hong Kong.

[longxh]

13 minutes ago, HorseBattery said:

Aren't these GPUs assembled in China? Where are they going to make them then?

 

EDIT: Apparently most (Asus, MSI, Gigabyte, Palit) are made in Taiwan according to Wikipedia. Sapphire and Zotac are made in Hong Kong.

Assembled yes, but there's no stock at any major retailer now, only the secondhand market.

[yuykyk]

There is indeed a lot of news about this matter on the Chinese Internet, but most of the sources are a document published by Nvidia in sec. The specific implementation rules of the U.S. Department of Commerce are too long. My English is not very good, so it will take too much time to read them. However, judging from the fact that a100 and h100 were banned from being exported to China in the past few months, individual consumers can still buy them from some informal channels. I think the worst case scenario is that if Chinese consumers want to buy 4090 in the future, they will have to buy one from Japan and bring it back, because the air tickets from eastern China to Tokyo are not very expensive, and the US government cannot stop Chinese tourists from doing this.

[Echothedolpin]

6 hours ago, yuykyk said:

There is indeed a lot of news about this matter on the Chinese Internet, but most of the sources are a document published by Nvidia in sec. The specific implementation rules of the U.S. Department of Commerce are too long. My English is not very good, so it will take too much time to read them. However, judging from the fact that a100 and h100 were banned from being exported to China in the past few months, individual consumers can still buy them from some informal channels. I think the worst case scenario is that if Chinese consumers want to buy 4090 in the future, they will have to buy one from Japan and bring it back, because the air tickets from eastern China to Tokyo are not very expensive, and the US government cannot stop Chinese tourists from doing this.

However, Japanese customs can.

[Mark Kaine]

just for clarification, who banned them? 

 

 

[SnugglyGirl]

2 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

just for clarification, who banned them? 

 

 

Will be something to do with closing of loopholes with the chip ban for china as they are used for AI.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/us-govt-restricts-shipments-of-geforce-rtx-4090-to-china-other-countries

Edited October 19, 2023 by SnugglyGirl
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[PannyPancakes]

They're not banned. They are allowed to be sold in China - they cannot be manufactured in China. 

[Blue4130]

11 minutes ago, PannyPancakes said:

They're not banned. They are allowed to be sold in China - they cannot be manufactured in China. 

To clarify, the chips can't be exported to china. It's the USA imposing this, not China.

[kitchenmadelemonade]

Banned for power draw reasons I'm assuming?

[kitchenmadelemonade]

1 minute ago, kitchenmadelemonade said:

Banned for power draw reasons I'm assuming?

Never mind I now see that its import/export regulations.

[thrasher_565]

there wealthy people in china and this wont stop em. there will be ai.

[Donut417]

7 minutes ago, thrasher_565 said:

there wealthy people in china and this wont stop em. there will be ai.

Agreed, all this does is slow them down. My concern is how AI could be used on the battlefield. I really think the UN needs to step in and we need to have a convention on AI and how AI can be used.

[thrasher_565]

10 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

Agreed, all this does is slow them down. My concern is how AI could be used on the battlefield. I really think the UN needs to step in and we need to have a convention on AI and how AI can be used.

ai is already being used and if your talking about ai say powered tanks probably all ready a thing. but i mean they will still use people first before using the ai... as there cheap...

yes were are at a point were alot of jobs can be replaced so people are not really needed anymore. ill leave it at that.

 

but i mean why not just make an asic for ai then?

[Blue4130]

54 minutes ago, thrasher_565 said:

there wealthy people in china and this wont stop em. there will be ai.

This is not meant to stop individuals. This is to stop companies who but in large quantities.

 

45 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

Agreed, all this does is slow them down. My concern is how AI could be used on the battlefield. I really think the UN needs to step in and we need to have a convention on AI and how AI can be used.

That is fine for countries that are part of or follow UN conventions. Guess who doesn't?

[12345678]

I wonder how such bans are even effective to begin with

[Spotty]

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