The RTX 4060ti is the worst graphics card of all time, there, I said it!

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

ABORT ABORT

 

DO

 

NOT

 

BUY.

 

It is in-arguably the worst graphics card of all time. Legitimately a zero gen on gen improvement for the same price. SOMETIMES WORSE than the previous gen card.

 

I thought the 4080 was bad at double the price of the 3080, but at least it performed well

I thought the 4070ti was bad at 50% more than 3070ti, but at least it performed well enough

I thought the 4070 was bad at $100 more than 3070, but at least it performed well ish

 

The 4060ti eclipses all of those, it actually performs WORSE quite often.

 

Pathetic, DOA, and literal ewaste. Although Linuses video was negative, he didn't slam it near enough IMO.

 

[WereCat]

Suddenly Intel has some more time to catch up

[filpo]

GT 710 is typing...

[Bombastinator]

They are apparently going to do one with more memory, which may be better.  It will have to be tested.  The bus width is apparently also criminal as well though. We’ll see how it goes for the next one.  The original problem iirc is that the 4070 sucks ass and they don’t want to change that so all models below it need to suck more.  It seems to me right now That the best (and only not shitty) card in the 40 series line up is the 16gb 4080.  Everything else sucks to at least some degree and is often beaten by previous gen cards in Nvidia’s own lineup or previous gen AMD cards.  I think I’m going to just ignore this gen.

Edited May 23, 2023 by Bombastinator

[Levent]

I agree that current RTX4xxx series line up is shit. I still think RX6500 and RX6400 takes the cake on shittiest card released of this decade (so far)

[filpo]

2 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

They are apparently going to do one with more memory, which may be better.  It will have to be tested.  The bus width is apparently also criminal as well though. We’ll see how it goes for the next one.  The original po Robles iirc is that the 4070 sucks ass and they don’t want to change that so all models below it need to suck more.

For another 100 dollars tho it'll be at best a 3070 ti, at worst it'll just be a 4060 ti with 16 gigs but no performance improvement. 

[filpo]

1 minute ago, Levent said:

I agree that current RTX4xxx series line up is shit. I still think RX6500 and RX6400 takes the cake on shittiest card released of this decade (so far)

GT 1010 is typing...

[Velerio]

8 minutes ago, Levent said:

I agree that current RTX4xxx series line up is shit. I still think RX6500 and RX6400 takes the cake on shittiest card released of this decade (so far)

I personally don't view cards lower than the 6-range as part of real gpus; every 5 and below card was crap, because you lose for every tier above 6 around 30%, but for an 5 card you lose more than 50%. That's why this entire lineup of cards is so messy, since Nvidia simply messed with the numbers;

 

3090 

3080 = 3070

3070 = 3060ti

3060ti = 3050ti

3060 = 3050

Therefore yes, 

 

And no, i don't see the RX 6500 as the worst gpu; even through as said before; every card with the 5 or lower can't be said as a proper gpu; at least it was a card that was buyable at msrp if nothing else was possible. But right now, in this situration, the 

 

And the icing of the crapcake is that this gpu only has 8 pcie lanes, so you will effectively get only 4 pcie 4.0 lanes on an pcie 3.0 system.

So yes, this card at this time is probably the shittiest card that they have released in this decade.

[Ottoman420]

The 4060 is now a 50 class card and all the way through the stack its the same. I think this is partly because of the 3090/4090 adding two extra skus inc TI ruins the 80 class ruins the 70 class. now we see how bad the 60 class is. Will they bother with a 4050? and dont forget they are all about double the price of what they are actually worth wthout frame gen and nvidia tech.

 

Feels bad man.

 

 

Worse is AMD following along with this BS rather than actually trying to take any market share, they split what they had with Intel. Good work Lisa

 

 

[Bombastinator]

23 minutes ago, Levent said:

I agree that current RTX4xxx series line up is shit. I still think RX6500 and RX6400 takes the cake on shittiest card released of this decade (so far)

Yeah the “our low end card won’t work well on our own low end boards” is pretty inexplicable.  All the thing needed was four more functional pcie lanes (so 8 instead of 4) and it would have cleaned up.

[Bombastinator]

26 minutes ago, filpo said:

For another 100 dollars tho it'll be at best a 3070 ti, at worst it'll just be a 4060 ti with 16 gigs but no performance improvement. 

Probably some improvement.  That shockingly narrow bus is not going to do any favors for it though.  A 192 bit bus and 12 gb and it would be a usable card though.

[Velerio]

1 minute ago, Ottoman420 said:

Worse is AMD following along with this BS rather than actually trying to take any market share, they split what they had with Intel. Good work Lisa

 

 

Sad because it's so true. That said, i think that lower end gpus will probably be replaced by APUs in the forseeable future. The only saviour and i can't believe it might be intel in this situation. Another issue is that AMD seems to follow their new business strategy: charge far too much, get bad reviews, then later discount them to realistic values and still sell and earn a crapton of money.

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

1 hour ago, Levent said:

I agree that current RTX4xxx series line up is shit. I still think RX6500 and RX6400 takes the cake on shittiest card released of this decade (so far)

I forgot about the 6500xt. That might be a worse product than this lol.

 

But damn... The 40 series overall is complete garbage but they were at least somewhat competitive until this sku...

 

The 60/60ti is like their bread n' butter sku that everyone wants/sells a lot of units.

 

This time, it's SLOWER than the last gen one in a lot of circumstances, FOR THE SAME PRICE.

 

It's literally nauseating how bad this product is.

 

 

[Deadpool2onBlu-Ray]

1 hour ago, Bombastinator said:

The original problem iirc is that the 4070 sucks ass and they don’t want to change that so all models below it need to suck more.  It seems to me right now That the best (and only not shitty) card in the 40 series line up is the 16gb 4080. 

Here is what I have gathered so far, with my opinions added in as well.

 

ADA was a double node shrink over Ampere. They got better than expected results from it. ~50-70% is the real uplift.

The 4090 is ~70% faster than the 3090.

It's priced too high still, IMO, as the 30 series with the 3090 is when they started with Titan pricing for what should have been the x80ti sku.

The 3090 should have been $1000. Inflation is real and has been rampant since then.

 

Fair performance for 4090 is the 4090, fair price would have been $1199, actual price $1599.

 

Here's where it gets interesting. The gains from ADA were so good and 30 series sold so well for so much $$$ (Scalpers etc.) that Nvidia decided to raise prices significantly (again, inflation is real and TSMC nodes aren't cheap).

BUT they didn't just raise prices, which itself was complete bullcrap, they renamed every sku a full tier below what it actually was. Since ADA performs so well and DLSS3 is pretty cool, they thought they could get away with this.

 

They got caught with the 4080 16gb/12gb situation. Everyone caught them red handed and noted how much worse the 12gb 4080 was going to perform, so they "unlaunched it" and renamed it to the 4070ti. The thing is though, everyone forgot that the real scam was the "real" 4080. Everyone acts like the naming of the 4080 12gb was the only issue, and that's what got all the attention. Even though the 4080 12gb (4070ti) got renamed/the price dropped by $100, the BIGGER scam was the 16gb 4080. It was almost a diversion.

 

The 16gb 4080 is actually the 3070 successor, effectively increasing the price from $499 to $1199, or a 140% price increase. If the 4080 16gb was an actual 4080, it would be 70% faster than the 3080 like the 4090 was.

 

The 4080 SHOULD have been $799, had 20gb VRAM, and performed about ~20% faster than it actually does. Because the 4080 16gb is just a 4070 masquerading around as the 4080.

 

The 4070ti is actually the 3060ti successor, and should have been priced at $499-$549 (the $399 3060ti was absurdly good value). The bus is fine, the VRAM is fine, the performance is fine, it's just ~$300 overpriced and misnamed a whole tier.

 

The 4080 was so insanely gimped compared to the flagship compared to the 3080/3090 that they put themselves in a bind. The 4070ti performed significantly worse and wasn't selling very well, so they had to lower the price of the next sku enormously, and they cut it down tremendously to hit that price point.

 

The 4070s PRICE is actually fine for the named sku. The program is it's not a 4070, that's the 4080. The 4070 should be priced exactly how it is now, except perform exactly like the 4080. What they are selling as a 4070 is actually a 4060, that card should be $349.

 

The 4070 performs so bad that they had no room left for a 4060ti. The 3060ti was absurdly good value for $399, so they put themselves in a tough spot. The 4070 is rotting on shelves at $599, so they priced the 4060ti what they thought was competitively at $399, the problem is the 3060ti is so good and they are trying to sell the 4050ti for $399, when the 4070ti should have been named the 3060ti and sold at $499.

 

TLDR this gen is effed, skip if you can. I really do think they actually regret it though considering how bad the 4070 sales have been for them.

 

Even if they had overshot my ideal prices by $100, that still would have been fine. It's not even just the price that is crap this gen, every card is gimped a whole tier on top of that.