"Linus going to elevate reviews to the point where his audience holds off on purchasing until the LTT review is out rather than just the release date"

[diegoaccord]

This was a comment on the recent X3D video. That's a horrible take. 

 

I pointed out the fact that CPU's last about a year. If you don't get a newly released CPU on day one, it will take you months to get it. If the said CPU is only the best that the vendor has for a year, then you have only months with that CPU before its succeeded. 

 

Personally, if I'm only going to have the CPU for a year, I need to maximize that time, and waiting for a certain review goes against it. Actually waiting for ANY review goes against it. You need to be in line at Microceneter (if you're lucky) or fighting bots the Egg before any reviews go live. Otherwise, you get that nice two month+ restock wait.

 

If you COULD go and easily get a CPU a week or two after launch, then it would be fine. But you can't. 

 

 

[BobVonBob]

4 minutes ago, diegoaccord said:

I pointed out the fact that CPU's last about a year.

Excuse me what?

[Needfuldoer]

11 minutes ago, diegoaccord said:

I pointed out the fact that CPU's last about a year.

[Laughs in Haswell]

[will0hlep]

8 minutes ago, diegoaccord said:

This was a comment on the recent X3D video. That's a horrible take. 

 

I pointed out the fact that CPU's last about a year. If you don't get a newly released CPU on day one, it will take you months to get it. If the said CPU is only the best that the vendor has for a year, then you have only months with that CPU before its succeeded. 

 

Personally, if I'm only going to have the CPU for a year, I need to maximize that time, and waiting for a certain review goes against it. Actually waiting for ANY review goes against it. You need to be in line at Microceneter (if you're lucky) or fighting bots the Egg before any reviews go live. Otherwise, you get that nice two month+ restock wait.

 

If you COULD go and easily get a CPU a week or two after launch, then it would be fine. But you can't. 

 

 

Is this an april fools post?

 

For one there isn't much advantage in gaming to be being right on the bleeding edge. You certainly don't need to buy stuff on release. AMDs 5600X is still a really widely recommended cpu right now despite being nearly 3 years old cause of its amazing value for money. Also, once you get it, it could continue to be good enough for a long time after that, not just a year.

[Godlygamer23]

Technology is always improving. Depending on the part of the industry that the product is from, you may get anywhere from a few months to one year before the flagship product is no longer the "flagship product". However, that doesn't make the previous generation product obsolete. CPUs will last, depending on the user's requirements, several years before needing to be replaced. I myself had a 3570K since basically release up until around the middle of 2019 because that entire time, it fit my requirements. From a purely functional perspective, CPUs will last a very very long time, well beyond the expected 'non-obsolete' life. 

 

Obsolescence is also mostly subjective. If it can meet certain user requirements, including the budget, no matter the age, and it makes sense to buy/use it, then it's not obsolete. Companies are trying to sell you products, so it makes sense for them to advertise new products as the best thing, and the thing you need, but in most scenarios, it simply isn't true. Improvements are always being made, and the important part is to determine if the product meets your or someone else's requirements. 

[SorryBella]

18 minutes ago, diegoaccord said:

I pointed out the fact that CPU's last about a year.

Im a firm believer in the lack of future proofing but even this is just fucking frivolous. I can currently straight faced recommend used Ryzen 5 3600 and that thing is now 4 years old, and have seceeded by 2 generations in a row, same with 10th gen Intel but not to the extent of Ryzen as Ryzen would have the access to 5800X3D which is of course by your definition is an obsolete CPU, but you are so isolating it from the real world here where it can still realistically go toe to toe with the 13th gen Intel and 4th gen Ryzen in gaming and Cache-intensive workloads.

6 minutes ago, Godlygamer23 said:

Obsolescence is also mostly subjective.

Pretty much just this. Dont shop by age, shop by performance and longevity.

[da na]

20 minutes ago, BobVonBob said:

Excuse me what?

Yeah, what's wrong with your CPUs that it only lasts a year?... both of the CPUs in my workstation are, in fact, 6 years old (and have more cache combined than the X3D CPUs)

[GhostRoadieBL]

That was just... What are you even talking about?

"the best" or "the fastest" are a moving target at all times, so you want the fastest CPU at all times to the point of replacing the system every year? What kind of imaginary income even allows that and how can anyone justify "the fastest" as a blanket term?

Which is the fastest at gaming? Which is the fastest at rendering? Which is the fastest in a niche software? There's so much more to it, there have been so many i7's 'faster' than i9's for gaming since there's no need for extra cores, look at the 5800x3D vs 5950, which is faster needs context.

 

Back in the x58 days i7 920's ran circles around the higher chips in gaming and single core tasks but only when overclocked.

[diegoaccord]

11 hours ago, GhostRoadieBL said:

That was just... What are you even talking about?

"the best" or "the fastest" are a moving target at all times, so you want the fastest CPU at all times to the point of replacing the system every year? What kind of imaginary income even allows that and how can anyone justify "the fastest" as a blanket term?

Which is the fastest at gaming? Which is the fastest at rendering? Which is the fastest in a niche software? There's so much more to it, there have been so many i7's 'faster' than i9's for gaming since there's no need for extra cores, look at the 5800x3D vs 5950, which is faster needs context.

 

Back in the x58 days i7 920's ran circles around the higher chips in gaming and single core tasks but only when overclocked.

This isn't about the i7/R7 vs i9/R9. I have gone with Ryzen 7 and Core i7 for this exact reason. 

 

The point was if you wait a couple weeks for a review, then there will be NONE to buy for a couple of months.

 

I have a 7700X right now. I plan to go 7800X3D, and if I want to, I have to be in line that morning, reviews be damned, especially weeks later. If the thing is as amazing as the 5800X3D was, if you weren't there day one, your chances of getting one any time soon go down drastically, and by then, the 8700X or 8800X will be close to being out. 

I mean, you can't get a 7950X3D right now. How long until you can? When Ryzen 8000 is about to launch?

[Arika]

12 hours ago, diegoaccord said:

Personally, if I'm only going to have the CPU for a year,

......

[starsmine]

11 minutes ago, diegoaccord said:

The point was if you wait a couple weeks for a review, then there will be NONE to buy for a couple of months.

thats just.. not true. 
perhaps for the most flagship of GPUs sure. but also, do people who buy flaghship gpus care if its 10% or 50% better then the old flagships if they are too impatient to wait 2 weeks for the second batch to land on their shores?

[mykeworthy]

Look, if you buy ANY electronic on  day one, you're a fool imho. You have no idea what bugs there will be, if the product is good, will ever be good, etc. The smart thing is to ALWAYS wait for the second batch.

[Kopaka]

Let's say it's true you always have to wait two months for restocks. Then you'll still have the cpu for the same amount of time because you have to wait for the next one too, so it doesn't really make a difference. I suggest just taking time to enjoy what you have instead of being obsessed with having the latest and greatest.

[Blue4130]

11 hours ago, diegoaccord said:

. 

I mean, you can't get a 7950X3D right now. How long until you can? When Ryzen 8000 is about to launch?

Don't know where you are, but there is stock where I am.

[Needfuldoer]

12 hours ago, diegoaccord said:

I have a 7700X right now. I plan to go 7800X3D, and if I want to, I have to be in line that morning, reviews be damned, especially weeks later. If the thing is as amazing as the 5800X3D was, if you weren't there day one, your chances of getting one any time soon go down drastically, and by then, the 8700X or 8800X will be close to being out. 

I mean, you can't get a 7950X3D right now. How long until you can? When Ryzen 8000 is about to launch?

There's always going to be something newer, faster, and shinier coming out "soon". You'll never have the best of the best, top of the line everything for very long.

 

Buy for the present. Ignore the tech press for a while afterward if it helps you avoid buyer's remorse.

[Poinkachu]

On 4/1/2023 at 9:24 PM, diegoaccord said:

I pointed out the fact that CPU's last about a year.

Retired a month ago.

i7-870 + GTX 660

Don't ask what games I played on it, you'll be surprised.

 

Now I am thinking whether I can repurpose it for something.

[diegoaccord]

8 hours ago, Blue4130 said:

Don't know where you are, but there is stock where I am.

20 minutes away from a Microcenter. That doesn't have them in stock.

 

8 hours ago, Needfuldoer said:

There's always going to be something newer, faster, and shinier coming out "soon". You'll never have the best of the best, top of the line everything for very long.

 

Buy for the present. Ignore the tech press for a while afterward if it helps you avoid buyer's remorse.

I'm not presenting that as a problem. 

[diegoaccord]

7 hours ago, Poinkachu said:

Retired a month ago.

i7-870 + GTX 660

Don't ask what games I played on it, you'll be surprised.

 

Now I am thinking whether I can repurpose it for something.

Do tell...

[Cavalry Canuck]

On 4/1/2023 at 8:36 AM, Needfuldoer said:

[Laughs in Haswell]

Still rocking my 4790k.  

[GhostRoadieBL]

22 hours ago, diegoaccord said:

This isn't about the i7/R7 vs i9/R9. I have gone with Ryzen 7 and Core i7 for this exact reason. 

 

The point was if you wait a couple weeks for a review, then there will be NONE to buy for a couple of months.

 

I have a 7700X right now. I plan to go 7800X3D, and if I want to, I have to be in line that morning, reviews be damned, especially weeks later. If the thing is as amazing as the 5800X3D was, if you weren't there day one, your chances of getting one any time soon go down drastically, and by then, the 8700X or 8800X will be close to being out. 

I mean, you can't get a 7950X3D right now. How long until you can? When Ryzen 8000 is about to launch?

What can you do with a 7800X3D you can't do with a 7700X? In real world tests the 7700X outperforms the 7800x3d with a higher clockspeed in some workloads and in all others it's so close it's not worth measuring or within run to run variance.

 

So you worry that 8000 series won't have reviews up in time to stand in line to see how many single digit %  improvement was made? Given the assumption you have the option to upgrade every generation (silly idea) go donate to a charity every other year instead of throwing your money at a company making minimal improvements each generation. They can use it far more than your 3% gen over gen fps boost

[Crunchy Dragon]

On 4/1/2023 at 10:38 AM, Godlygamer23 said:

Companies are trying to sell you products, so it makes sense for them to advertise new products as the best thing, and the thing you need, but in most scenarios, it simply isn't true. Improvements are always being made, and the important part is to determine if the product meets your or someone else's requirements. 

This is why I'm on Skylake-X in 2023.

[Poinkachu]

4 hours ago, diegoaccord said:

Do tell...

The last two AAA i played on it was FF15 & SOTR

[CerealExperimentsLain]

On 4/1/2023 at 10:24 AM, diegoaccord said:

if I'm only going to have the CPU for a year

*looks awkwardly at own signature*

[Blue4130]

4 hours ago, diegoaccord said:

20 minutes away from a Microcenter. That doesn't have them in stock.

 

I'm not presenting that as a problem. 

They type of people that care so much to the point of waiting day one in line probably don't care about the results of the review. They tend to buy regardless.

[seanondemand]

Tell me you have too much disposable income, without telling me you have too much disposable income...