Do I need to quote them?

[Gat Pelsinger]

If I start a thread and make a post, then somebody will reply, but to reply that reply, do I need to quote them or just replying normally in my own thread give them notification?

[Oshino Shinobu]

You should quote them.

 

By default, if you post a topic you'll get notified when someone replies, but others won't unless they manually follow the thread, so you should quote them so they get notified you responded.

 

EDIT: It also helps make it clear who/what you're responding to if there are multiple posts, so best to quote reply either way.

[dalekphalm]

17 minutes ago, NvidiaFirePro6900XXTX3DPRO said:

If I start a thread and make a post, then somebody will reply, but to reply that reply, do I need to quote them or just replying normally in my own thread give them notification?

It really depends on the context. If you are replying to a specific post, you should quote it, like I'm doing here. Not only does it help with notifications, it makes the conversation much clearer.

 

You can also use the Multi-quote button to quote more than one post in a thread, so that you can avoid having multiple posts in a row when quoting multiple people.

[heimdali]

The default should be that when I have posted something in a thread, I get notified when someone else posts something, regardless of quoting.

 

When I posted something, I'm definitely following the thread, and if the software thinks otherwise, then the software is wrong.

 

Maybe have a setting in users profiles that allows them to decide wether they are automatically following a thread they posted in or not by default.

 

[Hairless Monkey Boy]

4 minutes ago, heimdali said:

Maybe have a setting in users profiles that allows them to decide wether they are automatically following a thread they posted in or not by default.

[heimdali]

Ha, cool!

 

Why isn't that the default?  Ah, hm, were did you find that setting?

 

NVM, I found it, it's a hidden setting ...

 

[Lightwreather]

3 minutes ago, heimdali said:

When I posted something, I'm definitely following the thread, and if the software thinks otherwise, then the software is wrong.

The thing is, and this is especially prevalent in the Tech news threads where I lurk, a certain group of people might be discussing one aspect and another another aspect. In this case, a person from group be willl likely not be interested in the rest of the thread only in what concerns them.

 

However, this is the default behaviour in status messages.

[heimdali]

5 minutes ago, Lightwreather JfromN said:

The thing is, and this is especially prevalent in the Tech news threads where I lurk, a certain group of people might be discussing one aspect and another another aspect. In this case, a person from group be willl likely not be interested in the rest of the thread only in what concerns them.

 

However, this is the default behaviour in status messages.

I'm not sure what you mean.  If I'm not interested in something, I can always ignore it.

 

Ok, not always, unfortunately, but you get what I mean ...

[SansVarnic]

5 hours ago, NvidiaFirePro6900XXTX3DPRO said:

If I start a thread and make a post, then somebody will reply, but to reply that reply, do I need to quote them or just replying normally in my own thread give them notification?

Common forum etiquette is to quote whom you are replying to. Granted the OP will alway receive a notification when someone replies as it is their thread. BUT if you are replying to someone else in the topic they wont know it as the forum sofware doesn't know you are replying to someone that is not the OP.

4 hours ago, heimdali said:

The default should be that when I have posted something in a thread, I get notified when someone else posts something, regardless of quoting.

Only if you are following the topic, it is not by default to follow a topic when you post, it is only default to follow topics you create, the forum is not that intuitive to know which topic you want to follow or not.

[heimdali]

5 hours ago, SansVarnic said:

Only if you are following the topic, it is not by default to follow a topic when you post, it is only default to follow topics you create, the forum is not that intuitive to know which topic you want to follow or not.

When I post to a topic, of course I'm following it.  It's not like I would suddenly loose all interest in it just because the software uses a wrong default.  Like I said, when the software thinks otherwise, the software is wrong.

 

And I consider it as utterly impolite to post and then to ignore the replies.  Why do you want the software to support such behaviour by default?  It's ok to have the default, only people don't know about it and their expectation is that they get notified.  So if you could change the default to automatically follow, that would a much better option.  People won't miss the replies, it won't be necessary to quote all the time, and if someone doesn't like to follow (like when they lost interest because the topic shifted), they can always unfollow the particular topic (can they?  If they can't, that should be an option.).  The option not to automatically follow isn't really needed.

 

When there's no notification, people never know that there was a reply because nothing happens.  If someone quotes and they are being notified and take a look, they may be surprised that there were replies they would have wanted to see earlier, but they didn't know about the bad default and they won't ever know and miss the replies to topics they're interested in.

[Spotty]

11 hours ago, NvidiaFirePro6900XXTX3DPRO said:

If I start a thread and make a post, then somebody will reply, but to reply that reply, do I need to quote them or just replying normally in my own thread give them notification?

People who are following the topic will be notified when a new reply is posted. You can see a list of who is following a topic by clicking the number next to the follow button. People who are not following the topic will only be notified if they are quoted or tagged @Spotty, unless they have notifications for mentions and quotes disabled.

 

13 minutes ago, heimdali said:

When I post to a topic, of course I'm following it.  It's not like I would suddenly loose all interest in it just because the software uses a wrong default.  Like I said, when the software thinks otherwise, the software is wrong.

 

And I consider it as utterly impolite to post and then to ignore the replies.  Why do you want the software to support such behaviour by default?  It's ok to have the default, only people don't know about it and their expectation is that they get notified.  So if you could change the default to automatically follow, that would a much better option.  People won't miss the replies, it won't be necessary to quote all the time, and if someone doesn't like to follow (like when they lost interest because the topic shifted), they can always unfollow the particular topic (can they?  If they can't, that should be an option.).  The option not to automatically follow isn't really needed.

 

The default option is to follow topics you post. You can enable the option to automatically follow topics you reply to in Notification Settings. Followed Content > Automatically follow content I reply to. You can also follow content you reply to by toggling the Follow topic button just below the text editor before you submit your reply, or by clicking the follow button at the top of the topic.

I think most people probably wouldn't want to automatically follow every topic they reply to as they would quickly end up getting a lot of notifications that may not be relevant to them. The option is there though for people who do want it.

[SimplyChunk]

8 hours ago, Spotty said:

I think most people probably wouldn't want to automatically follow every topic they reply to as they would quickly end up getting a lot of notifications that may not be relevant to them. The option is there though for people who do want it.

I'm gonna do it now for a giggle

[heimdali]

10 hours ago, Spotty said:

You can enable the option to automatically follow topics you reply to in Notification Settings.

Yeah that needs to be enabled by default.

 

[BondiBlue]

31 minutes ago, heimdali said:

Yeah that needs to be enabled by default.

Even though I'm someone who does use that setting, I don't think it should be enabled by default. Having it as an option is good, but most people won't want to deal with so many notifications. 

[heimdali]

Just now, BondiBlue said:

Even though I'm someone who does use that setting, I don't think it should be enabled by default. Having it as an option is good, but most people won't want to deal with so many notifications. 

Why would they post into a thread when they're not interested in it?

 

If they don't want the notifications, they can turn them off.  I'm not saying the option should be removed, only that the default should be to follow.

 

[Skiiwee29]

1 hour ago, heimdali said:

Why would they post into a thread when they're not interested in it?

 

If they don't want the notifications, they can turn them off.  I'm not saying the option should be removed, only that the default should be to follow.

 

The majority of accounts that sign up and post to the LTT forum are a one off single use and never return. So say for example Person A signs up, creates an account for troubleshooting, Person B (Me) posts into there thread, then Person C, D, E, F, G all post in there as well, but Person A never returns to check or posts to the thread ever again. Now Person C and E go on debating over something Person A said or asked about and D and G about a different thing. Thread gets up to say 10-15 replies. Thats a TON of notifications for a single thread to sift through and decide if its something you want to look at. It would overload the average person with notifications and then we would get threads asking to disable the feature as they don't need to know every single time a person posts to any thread they participated in.

[heimdali]

13 minutes ago, Skiiwee29 said:

The majority of accounts that sign up and post to the LTT forum are a one off single use and never return. So say for example Person A signs up, creates an account for troubleshooting, Person B (Me) posts into there thread, then Person C, D, E, F, G all post in there as well, but Person A never returns to check or posts to the thread ever again. Now Person C and E go on debating over something Person A said or asked about and D and G about a different thing. Thread gets up to say 10-15 replies. Thats a TON of notifications for a single thread to sift through and decide if its something you want to look at. It would overload the average person with notifications and then we would get threads asking to disable the feature as they don't need to know every single time a person posts to any thread they participated in.

According to you, the average person would never return to see the notifications.

 

The persons who involved themselves by posting or by following without posting are very likely interested in the thread and want to get notifications.

 

Modify the notifiction display:  Group the notifications by thread so they are much easer to go through for everyone.  If the involved person looks at the thread, they either find interesting posts or not.  That's for them to decide and not for a default setting nobody knows about to decide.  The involved person can then unfollow the thread or not.

 

The notifications you're getting are no problem.  The notifications you're not getting are the problem.  It's a problem when you miss the continuation of a thread you're interested in because you didn't know that you need to change a hidden setting or have to manually follow all the threads you're interested in.

 

What are notifications even for when you assume that users don't want to get them, and why is the default to notify the user who created the thread and when someone quotes you?  Going by your logic, the user who created the thread and the one who was quoted may get 10--15 notifications, and they have a problem because they got so many notifications and the default should be that no notifications should be send at all.  That doesn't make sense, and getting notifications grouped by threads would be better anyway.

 

[Skiiwee29]

1 minute ago, heimdali said:

According to you, the average person would never return to see the notifications.

 

The persons who involved themselves by posting or by following without posting are very likely interested in the thread and want to get notifications.

 

Modify the notifiction display:  Group the notifications by thread so they are much easer to go through for everyone.  If the involved person looks at the thread, they either find interesting posts or not.  That's for them to decide and not for a default setting nobody knows about to decide.  The involved person can then unfollow the thread or not.

 

The notifications you're getting are no problem.  The notifications you're not getting are the problem.  It's a problem when you miss the continuation of a thread you're interested in because you didn't know that you need to change a hidden setting or have to manually follow all the threads you're interested in.

 

What are notifications even for when you assume that users don't want to get them, and why is the default to notify the user who created the thread and when someone quotes you?  Going by your logic, the user who created the thread and the one who was quoted may get 10--15 notifications, and they have a problem because they got so many notifications and the default should be that no notifications should be send at all.  That doesn't make sense, and getting notifications grouped by threads would be better anyway.

 

Its much easier and simpler to OPT into a thread follow than it would be to unfollow all threads. I don't want notifications on all threads I post in regardless of the thread. This is why you should quote/tag the person so they can see it. As a moderator, I do a lot of work in threads, cleaning, moving etc that I leave notes in. I don't want to have to unfollow ALL these threads each time. As mentioned above, Its simple to follow a topic, just toggle the rocker at the bottom of the reply box.

 

[Middcore]

3 hours ago, heimdali said:

Yeah that needs to be enabled by default.

 

 

 

 

[heimdali]

1 hour ago, Skiiwee29 said:

Its much easier and simpler to OPT into a thread follow than it would be to unfollow all threads.

No, it's not.  You have to actively go up to the top of the page into the menu and to follow.

1 hour ago, Skiiwee29 said:

I don't want notifications on all threads I post in regardless of the thread.

Then you can easily disable the setting so you don't automatically follow them.  As a moderator, you're an exception and you know about it.  Most of the users probably don't know about this hidden setting and expect to automatically follow the threads they posted in.

1 hour ago, Skiiwee29 said:

This is why you should quote/tag the person so they can see it.

It is sometimes not necessary to do that and sometimes not feasible.  Why should we go to lengths only becaue the software uses a bad default?

1 hour ago, Skiiwee29 said:

As a moderator, I do a lot of work in threads, cleaning, moving etc that I leave notes in. I don't want to have to unfollow ALL these threads each time.

You don't need to, you can disable the setting that makes you automatically follow threads you posted in.  Once disabled, you don't need to do that again.  There are probably more users than moderators, so a minority of people is affected, and the minority knows about the setting and can change it.  For the majority, it's a bad default they don't know about and consequently can't change which makes them miss out on threads they're interested in.

1 hour ago, Skiiwee29 said:

As mentioned above, Its simple to follow a topic, just toggle the rocker at the bottom of the reply box.

 

I'd have to do that for every post.  I never noticed it's there, and why would I enable it?  Once I post in a thread, I'm following it.  I don't expect that I would have to change settings to do that.  When 'Follow topic' is not activated, I just assume that it activates once I posted, and I don't expect anything else.

 

[Hairless Monkey Boy]

2 hours ago, heimdali said:

You have to actively go up to the top of the page into the menu and to follow.

No you don't.

2 hours ago, heimdali said:

Then you can easily disable the setting so you don't automatically follow them.

And you can easily enable the setting so you do.

2 hours ago, heimdali said:

Why should we go to lengths only becaue the software uses a bad default?

Quoting is easy. My and your post are proof. Describing it as "going to lengths" is absurd.

2 hours ago, heimdali said:

you can disable the setting that makes you automatically follow threads you posted in.  Once disabled, you don't need to do that again.  There are probably more users than moderators, so a minority of people is affected, and the minority knows about the setting and can change it.  For the majority, it's a bad default they don't know about and consequently can't change which makes them miss out on threads they're interested in.

You can enable the setting that makes you automatically follow threads you post in. Once enabled, you don't need to do that again.  For the majority, it's a good default. I do want this behavior by default. No one here but you seems to want it to be different... It's an easy setting to change for those inclined to do so.

 

I do not want to follow this thread. Rarely do I want to follow any threads I post in. I think that is true for most people.

[SimplyChunk]

7 hours ago, BondiBlue said:

Even though I'm someone who does use that setting, I don't think it should be enabled by default. Having it as an option is good, but most people won't want to deal with so many notifications.

I'm doing it so i feel loved..

[SansVarnic]

19 hours ago, heimdali said:

And I consider it as utterly impolite to post and then to ignore the replies.

I would agree. But you, I or anyone else can't make a member reply, that is entirely up to them if they so choose to, whether they get a notif or not.

 

8 hours ago, heimdali said:

Yeah that needs to be enabled by default.

Er no. You are making this entirely too difficult.  The option to make it default is there and available in the settings, it's not even hidden. All new members should take the time to understand the forum they are using, read the community standards and review the settings that govern their posting. This should be customary practice but it's not and I would say that the biggest reason is due to laziness but that would be too harsh to say so I won't.

 

Just because something, such as this topic, makes sense to you doesn't to others nor does it suit all people. I for one do not want to auto follow every topic I post in. If I post something and another member want to reply to me specifically, I expect them to follow proper etiquette and either quote me or @ me as would it be in any other forum ever created as it is proper etiquette.

 

4 hours ago, heimdali said:

No, it's not.  You have to actively go up to the top of the page into the menu and to follow.

Good example of my point above. The really wonderful thing is we have the option to follow at the top of every topic so we made it available in easy form. See my screen shot and then scroll to the top of this topic... its there. Easy button engaged.

[SimplyChunk]

22 minutes ago, SansVarnic said:

All new members should take the time to understand the forum they are using,

Here, Here.

[dizmo]

On 11/11/2022 at 10:10 AM, heimdali said:

The default should be that when I have posted something in a thread, I get notified when someone else posts something, regardless of quoting.

 

When I posted something, I'm definitely following the thread, and if the software thinks otherwise, then the software is wrong.

 

Maybe have a setting in users profiles that allows them to decide wether they are automatically following a thread they posted in or not by default.

 

Nooo. It really, really shouldn't. The amount of notifications that generates is extremely unpleasant.