Corsair vs. Ryzen

[mike_seps]

Everything was going fine for a few weeks with my new build.  But then in the past few days, stability issues started. Game crashes, BSODs, random restarts, etc.  

 

Asus TUF Gaming x570 Plus Wi-Fi

Ryzen 5 5600x

Corsair Vengeance 3600 MT/s 18-22-22-42

EVGA 3080 ftw3

Corsair RM850x PSU

 

I thought it was my GPU OC, so I set that to stock speeds. No luck. Turned off PBO and Auto OC. No luck. swapped ram slots to relearn the sticks, reset to stock DDR4 speeds. Nothing.  As a last effort that I could think of (newbie) I reset CMOS and ran everything bone stock out of the box (save for driver updates). That seems to have worked. And I was able to turn PBO and Auto OC back on.  The RAM, however will not run stable at DOCP, at the rated 3600 MT/s, or even at 3200.  Did some online checking out of things and saw a general consensus that Corsair Vengeance line isn't the best ICs and it's kind of luck of the draw for usability with AMD.  So I'm going to be trying out some g.skill ripjaws (mobo is on their QVL) when it arrives today. I'll be sure to post an update after some testing

[Unedited_Mind]

Could be the PSU not handling the RTX 3000 GPU spikes, I could be wrong though.

 

@jonnyGURU

[Levent]

2 minutes ago, Unedited_Mind said:

Could be the PSU not handling the RTX 3000 GPU spikes, I could be wrong though.

 

@jonnyGURU

Pretty sure its the rams.

[An0maly_76]

The PSU wattage could be an issue, but I have noticed a rather disturbing trend of folks having issues when pairing Corsair RAM with a Ryzen here lately. Personally, I've had great luck with Crucial Ballistix. I have 2x16 DDR4-3200 CL16 kits in my 1700 and my 5900X. No issues.

[Unedited_Mind]

3 minutes ago, Levent said:

Pretty sure its the rams.

So avoid Corsair like the plague if on Ryzen. That sucks.

 

Though my 2 other builds use Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000 on GB Aorus B450 (1600x AF + GTX 1070)

Corsair Dominator 3600 on MSI MPG M-ITX board (3600x + RTX 2060)

[WereCat]

I often see people here on this forum having issues with Corsair Vengeance on Ryzen... especially above 3200MT/s kits. That said, you can likely fix it by manual tuning in BIOS instead of using DOCP but that may require few hours of trying and testing depending on what exactly is the cause.

[aDoomGuy]

You may need to enter in some RAM timings manually. Try look for a SPD page in your BIOS, if you find it then enable DOCP #1 set the speed manually to 3200 and enter in the timings from the SPD page manually.

[mike_seps]

56 minutes ago, Unedited_Mind said:

Could be the PSU not handling the RTX 3000 GPU spikes, I could be wrong though.

 

@jonnyGURU

I feel like the PSU should be able to handle it. PC part picker showers an estimate of about 565w with my build, Would the spike have to actually overshoot the 850w rating to trip it, or just take more than the 3 PCIe cables + 16x slot can provide?  EVGA suggests a 750w PSU, so I figured I would be safe with another 100w on top of that

 

Edit- I was also having the same issues with a different GPU - 6600xt Mech which was only pulling about 140w, so there's that.

[mike_seps]

43 minutes ago, Levent said:

Pretty sure its the rams.

I'm hoping it is. And I wish I did the research about it before I dropped the $ on the ram (if it is the actual issue). I know I needed fast ram for Ryzen, but didn't think to check out the verified compatibilities or anything like that.

[mike_seps]

43 minutes ago, WereCat said:

I often see people here on this forum having issues with Corsair Vengeance on Ryzen... especially above 3200MT/s kits. That said, you can likely fix it by manual tuning in BIOS instead of using DOCP but that may require few hours of trying and testing depending on what exactly is the cause.

I suppose that is one thing I didn't try. Manually adjusting the timings and seeing what happens. I tried a ram OC when I first set it all up. but that failed miserably and DOCP was running smooth for a while. I did find out that it's the Hynix M die on the Corsair sticks that I have, and that didn't seem too promising, which is why I fell back to just DOCP settings and not anything manual.

[freeagent]

Just to regurgitate what everyone else said..

 

Corsair Ram on Ryzen seems to be a really bad idea. 9 times out of 10 their frustration box is run with Corsair ram. I have had issues with their ram even on Intel. Many people walk away from AMD because of it.

[mike_seps]

4 minutes ago, freeagent said:

Just to regurgitate what everyone else said..

 

Corsair Ram on Ryzen seems to be a really bad idea. 9 times out of 10 their frustration box is run with Corsair ram. I have had issues with their ram even on Intel. Many people walk away from AMD because of it.

Good to know! I wish I could say that it was rgb or something the drew me to the corsair sticks, but it was really just the fact that it was 3600 MT/s and best buy had it in stock locally. That's what I get for being impatient.  I'm not really looking to jump off AMD yet, everything else seems to be running fine. And I like the fact that my little 5600x can run all day no problem with a simple tower cooler and never even think about getting warm.

[freeagent]

Well, they generally have a good name, they are very popular.. but I am not sure if it is for all the right reasons, as many people do complain about their hardware and software. I don’t generally run anything Corsair these days, though I may try out one of their PSUs in the future.

[mike_seps]

22 minutes ago, freeagent said:

Well, they generally have a good name, they are very popular.. but I am not sure if it is for all the right reasons, as many people do complain about their hardware and software. I don’t generally run anything Corsair these days, though I may try out one of their PSUs in the future.

I will admit that I have their 4000x case, fans, rgb controller and PSU. Case looks good, decent cable management, okay-ish airflow. I plan to swap out the glass front panel for the airflow version when I can find it in stock. iCue has come a long way since the first time I used it. Fans move air and aren't stupid loud, so what more can you ask for.  Only thing that would be truly detrimental to my system would be a PSU fail, but they seem to source those from decent suppliers on the RMx side at least.

[mike_seps]

Update - swapped in the g.skill ripjaws kit. 2x16gb 3200C16, enabled DOCP and it’s running like a champ now. Long play sessions in game, as well as being able to actually run benchmarks and OC gpu, now that the system is stable. May see if I can OC the ram a tick or two in the future, but for now I’m just happy it runs. This is a learning point for me to not buy/recommend Corsair memory. Oh well, live and learn. Anyone want some Corsair sticks for an Intel system? Lol 

[Guest]

11 hours ago, Unedited_Mind said:

So avoid Corsair like the plague if on Ryzen. That sucks.

Weird.  Both my PCs use Ryzen 5000 CPUs with Corsair Vengeance RAM an I never have issues.  Guess I should be proactive and replace it.

 

Seriously, though.  With both of those machines, I had to go into the BIOS and manually set all of the timings.  e.g. CAS, tRCD, tRP, tRAS, etc. for it to work properly.

 

If you're a noob and don't feel comfortable doing that, then yeah.. don't use Corsair RAM.

 

[Blue4130]

22 minutes ago, jonnyGURU said:

Weird.  Both my PCs use Ryzen 5000 CPUs with Corsair Vengeance RAM an I never have issues.  Guess I should be proactive and replace it.

 

Seriously, though.  With both of those machines, I had to go into the BIOS and manually set all of the timings.  e.g. CAS, tRCD, tRP, tRAS, etc. for it to work properly.

 

If you're a noob and don't feel comfortable doing that, then yeah.. don't use Corsair RAM.

 

I also had to do this when I switched to my 5600x. Manually set everything. And on an older AGESA I would max out at 3200 on a 3600 kit. after one of the agesa updates I was able to get 3600.

 

@mike_seps That might be something to check, are you on the latest bios rev for your board?

[mike_seps]

16 minutes ago, Blue4130 said:

I also had to do this when I switched to my 5600x. Manually set everything. And on an older AGESA I would max out at 3200 on a 3600 kit. after one of the agesa updates I was able to get 3600.

 

@mike_seps That might be something to check, are you on the latest bios rev for your board?

Last time I checked bios was up to date. That was just a few days ago. 

[jaslion]

7 hours ago, jonnyGURU said:

Weird.  Both my PCs use Ryzen 5000 CPUs with Corsair Vengeance RAM an I never have issues.  Guess I should be proactive and replace it.

 

Seriously, though.  With both of those machines, I had to go into the BIOS and manually set all of the timings.  e.g. CAS, tRCD, tRP, tRAS, etc. for it to work properly.

 

If you're a noob and don't feel comfortable doing that, then yeah.. don't use Corsair RAM.

 

Its some specific cl18 3200mhz and up vengeance ram that tends to give these issues. Not always but it does display these issues a lot more than any other kit of ram I've had my hands on

[mike_seps]

8 hours ago, jaslion said:

Its some specific cl18 3200mhz and up vengeance ram that tends to give these issues. Not always but it does display these issues a lot more than any other kit of ram I've had my hands on

Interesting. Mine was the 3600MT/s C18. So that lines up. Random game crashes as well as programs not loading, random shut downs, all the fun stuff 

Edited June 15, 2022 by mike_seps
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[jaslion]

Just now, mike_seps said:

Interesting. Mine was the 3600MT/s C18. So that lines up. Random game crashes as well as programs not losing, random shut downs, all the fun stuff 

Put it in a different system (preferably not ryzen) and there is a very good chance it will work 100% fine.

[mike_seps]

4 hours ago, jaslion said:

Put it in a different system (preferably not ryzen) and there is a very good chance it will work 100% fine.

Good to know. I was planning to throw it up on FB marketplace or OfferUp today. Someone can definitely use it. Just not me

[Guest]

17 hours ago, jaslion said:

Its some specific cl18 3200mhz and up vengeance ram that tends to give these issues. Not always but it does display these issues a lot more than any other kit of ram I've had my hands on

Weird. My Ram is the CL18 3600 LPX.  Both systems. 

 

I got the Ryzen 5000s because I wanted to be an early adopter of PCIe 4.0.  This was right before COVID. 

[jaslion]

8 hours ago, jonnyGURU said:

Weird. My Ram is the CL18 3600 LPX.  Both systems. 

 

I got the Ryzen 5000s because I wanted to be an early adopter of PCIe 4.0.  This was right before COVID. 

Yeah its not universal. But the corsair kits are a lot more likelt to just flat out say nope.

 

Maybe they source their ram chips from multiple manufacturers?

[Beerzerker]

6 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Yeah its not universal. But the corsair kits are a lot more likelt to just flat out say nope.

 

Maybe they source their ram chips from multiple manufacturers?

Most likely yes, Corsair does have a history of using different IC's in sticks of the same model and even the same version of a model.

Since this has been proven across different RAM types such as from DDR2 to DDR3 for example it's highly likely it still goes on to this day and I highly doubt they would have changed their business model/way of doing things. 

That's to say as long as the IC's themselves "Fit" the minimum specs for a given kit model they just go with it according to past evidence long proven as fact.