biodegradable computer

[ricohard257]

By changing the chemical properties through light acids in prole of electroconductivity, its possible to recreate current 3d electronic circuits in 2d using only paper and "dry concentrated lemon juice.

 

Its possible to literally print full computers  in a A4 paper/cardboard sheet on cents on the dollar

 

The difficulty isn’t necessary design the 2d schematic of the electric circuit which already exist in all current 3d electronic configurations since prior to their actual manufacturing the actual architectural electro designs are concepted in 2d

 

The difficulty isn’t necessarily to know actually what type of light acid that changes standard white cellulose paper chemical properties that allow electronic circuits paths since harnessing low voltage throw gel ions composites technology exist for a while now.

 

the only or main difficulty is how to increase the actual processing computer power of the 2d printed design without the paper lose its integrity due to temperature that a high performance 2d printed computer design  would input on the paper.

 

Thus far all ideas, concepts, attempts to make the paper more resistant to temperature end up either hinder or completely make inert the ion jellification electroconductibility overall process.

 

Nevertheless and in order to bypass or withhold the issue for later moment in time, its possible to create raids, sets, supersets, Beowulf, clusters of low processing computer power where the running temperature at top speeds/electric pics of the 2d printing design isn’t a issue for paper structural integrity but all together produce more computer power in comparison with the 3d design using rare metals.

 

with your help (the community) i can make it happen 

 

[whm1974]

Aside from using DNA/RNA as Informational Storage which We can actually do now with some huge drawbacks, but using this for Computing? Even with much larger drawbacks...

 

But Computing Devices put of paper? What Soft Science Friction have you been reading/watching? We already have Plastic SoCs by the way. Why don't you start with a Biodegradable Form of that? Such as Bioplastics...

[ricohard257]

from your comment i see you not in computer science...

google paper transistor its simple enough for you to understand 

[pythonmegapixel]

I'm perfectly happy with my computer not biodegrading to be honest! 

[ricohard257]

I'm not oblivious electric circuits built with rare metals are better known and its technology stable ready to use.

 

the idea behind of the biodegradable computer at this moment is to prove the concept works and doesn't use any rare metals, no need to exploit African children in mines mining for lithium and other rare metals.

 

the idea is that anyone could print its own hardware solution at very little cost to end users, you could print your hardware configuration for the maximum fps for each of your favourite game specifically.

 

upon its existence all game creators would include the necessary hardware print version for that game boosting sales and distance themselves from hardware needs and constraints and limitations, the software could appear first and then depending on the require processing load a hardware solution is printed, boosting software creativity and development 

 

also and since this paper model works at very, very low voltages it can technically just use a permanent magnet to power it up forever, no more electrical bills 

 

to start the technology is not necessary start with a workstation or a computer version that can can compete with existent hardware from the bat but a Arduino or raspberry pi version at lower voltage and cost of production would be a win already and everyone in the world would have access to a computer even if in the middle of the jungle or desert 

[whm1974]

4 hours ago, ricohard257 said:

I'm not oblivious electric circuits built with rare metals are better known and its technology stable ready to use.

 

the idea behind of the biodegradable computer at this moment is to prove the concept works and doesn't use any rare metals, no need to exploit African children in mines mining for lithium and other rare metals.

 

the idea is that anyone could print its own hardware solution at very little cost to end users, you could print your hardware configuration for the maximum fps for each of your favourite game specifically.

 

upon its existence all game creators would include the necessary hardware print version for that game boosting sales and distance themselves from hardware needs and constraints and limitations, the software could appear first and then depending on the require processing load a hardware solution is printed, boosting software creativity and development 

 

also and since this paper model works at very, very low voltages it can technically just use a permanent magnet to power it up forever, no more electrical bills 

 

to start the technology is not necessary start with a workstation or a computer version that can can compete with existent hardware from the bat but a Arduino or raspberry pi version at lower voltage and cost of production would be a win already and everyone in the world would have access to a computer even if in the middle of the jungle or desert 

Show Us a Proof of Concept first. And Like I said, There are already Plastic SoCs in use. Less performance then a Raspberry Zero so... I'm sure with a bit of work you could make those with a form of Biodegradable Plastic.

[tikker]

14 hours ago, ricohard257 said:

from your comment i see you not in computer science...

google paper transistor its simple enough for you to understand 

Given that paper transistors seem to still be in the academic phase of things and not produced at any sort of relvant scale tells you that they are not near the point where the main problem is "increasing compute power". You'll have to build a working prototype of a CPU with paper transistors first and unless you're an EE or similar specialising in this area this isn't something random people on a forum can just "make happen".

17 hours ago, ricohard257 said:

with your help (the community) i can make it happen

How will you make it happen?

12 hours ago, ricohard257 said:

the idea is that anyone could print its own hardware solution at very little cost to end users, you could print your hardware configuration for the maximum fps for each of your favourite game specifically.

From a practical perspective, why would I want multiple computers for specific games? As you say there hypothetically would be very little cost, one can just print the 12900k and 3090 Ti once and be able to run every game at max settings and performance. There would be no need for different hardware configurations.

 

Looking at e.g. this paper that looks into using paper these don't just roll out of your printer either. They're still tiny at micrometre scale and still use a metal-oxide-semiconductor, so they're not pure paper. At least the first iterations of such printers will likely be far outside of consumer reach as well, just like state of the art 3D printers.

 

13 hours ago, ricohard257 said:

also and since this paper model works at very, very low voltages it can technically just use a permanent magnet to power it up forever, no more electrical bills 

1. Does it work at "very, very low voltages"? Or is this speculation into it is imagined they'll work?
2. Magnets don't magically give you free energy. A stationary magnet won't yield anything either, you'll have to make it move such that the changing magnetic field creates an electric field and hence current.

[ricohard257]

people could print dedicated hardware for specific games but not compulsatory but i bet if technology in place game studios would always push their game to higher graphical requirements for better graphic quality of their games, if developers are not making 8k games is cause very few have hardware that meet those requirements, taking out hardware restrictions from game development would boost games amounts and quality.

 

regarding of current technology of paper electric circuits still use a bit of rare metal embedded doesn't mean circuits cannot be build without any rare metals.

 

for last a circuit that runs at very low voltages like in electromagnetism can use magnets itself and the electrons that escape from the magnet and create polarised attraction can be used within the circuit as they escape from the magnet into the circuit.

if you wrap a copper wire in a magnet you have low voltage electricity already that can move motors, YouTube is rid of electromagnetic motors 

 

this technology it runs at very low voltages and is not wishful thinking, this technology is already being in use in bioscience since it runs at very low voltages and can be used inside of the body 

 

for last and not the least I'm completely aware, not oblivious that current printing machines don't print computers, this would be a new cutting edge technology and not the development of a older technology 

[harryk]

2 hours ago, ricohard257 said:

regarding of current technology of paper electric circuits still use a bit of rare metal embedded doesn't mean circuits cannot be build without any rare metals.

Until someone invents an entirely new material with the same unique properties, creating semi-conductor transistors requires rare metals.

 

2 hours ago, ricohard257 said:

for last a circuit that runs at very low voltages like in electromagnetism can use magnets itself and the electrons that escape from the magnet and create polarised attraction can be used within the circuit as they escape from the magnet into the circuit.

if you wrap a copper wire in a magnet you have low voltage electricity already that can move motors, YouTube is rid of electromagnetic motors 

That's not how physics works. Current is induced in a conductor from a changing magnetic field. Energy cannot be drawn from a permanent magnet like a battery.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/farlaw.html

[IPD]

Well, seeing as how Mercedes thought as you do, and tried this with electrical wiring.  And that failed spectacularly.  I'm gonna say HELL NO.

 

And furthermore, STUDY SOME GOSH-DARN HISTORY.

[BuckGup]

Humans are already biodegradable computers. We even run off electricity too

[RageTester]

Graphic quality does not magically make good game.

Much more people have phones, so that's where game developers are mostly headed.

Electronics made as temporary tattoo stickers can use human body heat or sweat to produce power.

Paper is good for information storage, QR codes or simply text...

But there is reason people developed computers and use paper less, density. I can't imagine how huge 2D printed computer would be. Better go plant a few trees and learn to use phone as a computer.

[pythonmegapixel]

5 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Humans are already biodegradable computers. We even run off electricity too

Well... sort of... we can't exactly be recharged by plugging into the wall though!

[tikker]

3 hours ago, ricohard257 said:

regarding of current technology of paper electric circuits still use a bit of rare metal embedded doesn't mean circuits cannot be build without any rare metals.

Sure, but do as far as I know we don't have practical examples of those yet that are used in a commercial environment outside of a lab (though I'm happy to be proven wrong if you have examples).

3 hours ago, ricohard257 said:

for last a circuit that runs at very low voltages like in electromagnetism can use magnets itself and the electrons that escape from the magnet and create polarised attraction can be used within the circuit as they escape from the magnet into the circuit.

There are no electrons escaping from magnets. Magnets have a magnetic field. That  magnetic field can move charged particles, such as electrons, but the magnet itself isn't lauching any or letting them "escape into the circuit". A stationary magnet will not induce a current. Only when it's moved a current will form in the surrounding conductors, as in response to the changing magnetic field an electric field is created as described by Maxwell's equations.

3 hours ago, ricohard257 said:

if you wrap a copper wire in a magnet you have low voltage electricity already that can move motors, YouTube is rid of electromagnetic motors 

If you wrap a magnet in copper wire you have a magnet wrapped in copper wire. Just having it sit there doesn't generate a current. The magnet has to move through the coil to generate a current. You can see in this demonstration that nothing is happening current-wise when the magnet is stationary inside the coil:

 

3 hours ago, ricohard257 said:

this technology it runs at very low voltages and is not wishful thinking, this technology is already being in use in bioscience since it runs at very low voltages and can be used inside of the body 

What is "this technology"? Paper transistors? Could you provide an example of what you are talking about? There's nothing special about stuff running at low voltages, as you say we have that already. What I meant was whether you have an example of your paper transistor used in a "paper" device that runs at very low voltage.

 

23 hours ago, ricohard257 said:

with your help (the community) i can make it happen 

How will you make it happen?

[whm1974]

Nevermind that I already said this and so do did everyone else, but just where is your Proof of Concept? Even if you had one, producing  Paper CPUs at scales is entirely different matter. You may even Special Printers, Inks, even Paper to do this in the first place. Which may not be even Biodegradable in the first place.

 

[ricohard257]

guys you complicated, I'm not here to prove that I'm better than anyone so stop with personal attacks.

to make it easier to understand i will type in factual bullet points.

 

permanent magnet magnetic fields which are made of the set of electrons on their navigational path, aka magnetic wave 

 

its possible to redirect great part of that wave by wrapping a copper wire which will make travel some of the electrons through the coper wire, adding movement only increase this transition which is commonly known as electricity, without movement the electron transportation is insignificant but is there and can be measured 

 

example of low voltage device: pacemaker

benefits of paper devices: able to make sensors that don't need a second surgery to remove them since they are biodegradable and absorbed by the body in time 

[ricohard257]

i hope this will shut all of you gratuitously refuting this 

[Kid.Lazer]

8 minutes ago, ricohard257 said:

[...] i will type in factual bullet points.

I see no bullets.

 

Also, would Linus try to water-cool this? "Oh no, my paper got wet!"

[whm1974]

1 hour ago, ricohard257 said:

i hope this will shut all of you gratuitously refuting this 

You forgot to also show existing Products in use. Such as everyday usage. However are these Paper Transistors Biodegradable or even Recyclable?

[harryk]

 

2 hours ago, ricohard257 said:

its possible to redirect great part of that wave by wrapping a copper wire which will make travel some of the electrons through the coper wire, adding movement only increase this transition which is commonly known as electricity, without movement the electron transportation is insignificant but is there and can be measured 

Again, this isn't how physics works. Inside a conductor are free electrons. When a magnet is brought near the conductor, the free electrons move within the conductor as the magnet moves closer. However the electrons stop moving as soon as the magnet stops moving, or when they reach the bounds of the conductor.

 

To produce a constant flow of electrons, i.e. electric current, the magnet needs to move and the magnetic field needs to constantly change. 

 

You can also look at it from a broader conservation of energy perspective. Energy out must equal energy in. If nothing is moving where is the energy coming from?

 

2 hours ago, ricohard257 said:

example of low voltage device: pacemaker

Nearly all pacemakers are powered by chemical batteries which must be replaced every 5-10 years. Decades ago some were made with radioisotopes for power. New research is developing ones which utilize the bodies natural power sources to generate electricity. Nowhere in a pacemaker is a magnet.

[ricohard257]

6 minutes ago, harryk said:

 

Again, this isn't how physics works. Inside a conductor are free electrons. When a magnet is brought near the conductor, the free electrons move within the conductor as the magnet moves closer. However the electrons stop moving as soon as the magnet stops moving, or when they reach the bounds of the conductor.

 

To produce a constant flow of electrons, i.e. electric current, the magnet needs to move and the magnetic field needs to constantly change. 

 

You can also look at it from a broader conservation of energy perspective. Energy out must equal energy in. If nothing is moving where is the energy coming from?

 

Nearly all pacemakers are powered by chemical batteries which must be replaced every 5-10 years. Decades ago some were made with radioisotopes for power. New research is developing ones which utilize the bodies natural power sources to generate electricity. Nowhere in a pacemaker is a magnet.

it was an example of low voltage device no one said pacemakers are electromagnetic, give discussing with you since you just want stir arguments 

[IPD]

18 hours ago, ricohard257 said:

i hope this will shut all of you gratuitously refuting this 

Creates account.  Creates thread.  Identifies own post as solution to the thread.  Troll level: Too smart for his own good.

 

It's fairly clear that they are intending their developments as a single-use, disposable product; completely different from how your initial post sounded off.  Personally, I don't really care about single-use stuff, as we already have myriad other ways to accomplish the same tasks.  Some of which are just as recyclable (though perhaps not biodegradable).

 

Your OP said none of that though.  It read like you envision some meta-universe where home users will browse the internet on a recycled newspaper.  Which is laughable. And you lost most of your audience and potential support immediately.

[tikker]

On 2/3/2022 at 6:41 PM, ricohard257 said:

permanent magnet magnetic fields which are made of the set of electrons on their navigational path, aka magnetic wave 

Do you mean to say moving charges create a magnetic field? That would be correct, but there are no "magnetic waves". Firstly because a changing magnetic field will induce an electric field, automatically making it an electromagnetic wave again, but also because there is no flow of mangetic fields as (as far as we know) magnetic monopoles do not exist, that is there is no pure "north" or pure "south" magnet.

On 2/3/2022 at 6:41 PM, ricohard257 said:

its possible to redirect great part of that wave by wrapping a copper wire which will make travel some of the electrons through the coper wire, adding movement only increase this transition which is commonly known as electricity, without movement the electron transportation is insignificant but is there and can be measured 

Physics dictates that without movement there is no current created by the magnet. It's not "insignificant, but can be measures". There is no current if there's only a stationary magnet. Faraday's law of induction says that a changing magnetic field induces an electric field and thus a current. If you hold a magnet still, its magnetic field does not change and thus no current is created.

On 2/3/2022 at 6:41 PM, ricohard257 said:

example of low voltage device: pacemaker

benefits of paper devices: able to make sensors that don't need a second surgery to remove them since they are biodegradable and absorbed by the body in time 

Looks like they're on track for that already: https://www.verywellhealth.com/dissolvable-pacemaker-5192959

It will of course still need a ton of human safety checks.

 

On 2/3/2022 at 6:43 PM, ricohard257 said:

i hope this will shut all of you gratuitously refuting this 

We're not refuting this, just asking questions. incidentally she was a co-author of the paper I linked earlier, and in this video also says (quote) "whether it could also be used as an active element within a transistor". The video then continues explaining how a transistor works before it arrives at "an insulated layer located between its electrical connections. In conventional chips it consists of pure silicon. That is exactly what Elvira Fortunato wanted to replace in her new transistors". That is what people have described above about still needing the metals we currently use (for now). The second bit with printing looks cool, but they is really vague if I'm honest only saying the printer doesn't use ink but "prints the components of a transistor". From what I can find here it's that same thing though, where the paper is part of the transistor. Don't get me wrong, it's cool research and it would be great if it can become a mainstream alternative to silicon, but at the end of the day they're not fully paper and hence are not something you will print at home since they still need, for example, gallium indium zinc oxide as the semiconductor per that article.

On 2/3/2022 at 6:41 PM, ricohard257 said:

guys you complicated, I'm not here to prove that I'm better than anyone so stop with personal attacks.

We're not saying you say you are, but you started concluded your post with saying "I can make it happen", so naturally we are curious as to what your plans are to make this happen.

[8tg]

On 2/3/2022 at 11:43 AM, ricohard257 said:

i hope this will shut all of you gratuitously refuting this 

[PocketNerd]

ITT: Folks (rightfully) point out the massive limitations and overall infancy of technology while OP acts like a whining defensive child at any hint of criticism.

The tech is cool, but it aint no replacement for silicon.