Rant about gaming on Linux from a Linux user

[WolframaticAlpha]

3 minutes ago, OneOfYas said:

The biggest issue is that Windows exists and makes things easier, I prefer easier since my life has other priorities instead of hours sat on my butt discovering some way of fixing what should already work as that is what the community sold us.

What do you want? An environment perfectly tailored for you? Because if you want that, you are going to have to put in some work, regardless of any operating system. You can use windows if you like. It might be better suited for you. But saying something like this:

12 hours ago, OneOfYas said:

Linux is only good for doing stuff that you could do way back in the early 2000's on like Windows 98, it fails at everything else due to stability and complexity.

Linux is good for low power laptops and computers, not for gaming or anything more advanced than using the internet or doing some emails and typing up a story.

is incorrect

[OneOfYas]

7 minutes ago, WolframaticAlpha said:

What do you even mean? What was your issue? Which distro? 

 

 

What is your issue precisely? How is it unstable?

 

A core 2 duo(2threads or 4t?) is obviously going to be suitable for basic work only. Was your laptop hanging or crashing? 

 

Linux has it's fair share of issues. But making blanket statements like this are misleading.

I ran Ubuntu and Arch on my desktop which is a Ryzen 5600x with RTX 3060 and 16GB 3800mhz DDR4.

Mint works great on old hardware.

[WolframaticAlpha]

Oops double post

5 minutes ago, wasab said:

Sounds like dev have not extensively QA test their games on the Linux platform or they had but whatever difference between your system and their test system cause some unforseen issues not found when they did their testing. Games that worked for the first couple of hours or days are mostly likely to escape the quality assurance and then end up breaking at some point for the actual consumers. I owned shogun 2 total war and I was able to ran the game fine for years, a few distro releases and updates later, including newer kernels, the game is now all but none playable on all the distros I tried. 

Proton is user based. I don't think the dev even did QA for linux. Some people on the proton boards say that it worked fine for them. @Master Disaster issue is quite peculiar and baffling

[Helpful Tech Witch]

6 minutes ago, OneOfYas said:

The biggest issue is that Windows exists and makes things easier, I prefer easier since my life has other priorities instead of hours sat on my butt discovering some way of fixing what should already work as that is what the community sold us.

Way to sidestep the question dude....

[OneOfYas]

Just now, WolframaticAlpha said:

What do you want? An environment perfectly tailored for you? Because if you want that, you are going to have to put in some work, regardless of any operating system. You can use windows if you like. It might be better suited for you. But saying something like this:

is incorrect

No but we certainly got that thanks to Microsoft.

It's not incorrect, the average user is not able to use it as intended as it requires hours of sitting around trying to fix.

 

What is being said that is wrong here?

 

LOL

[OneOfYas]

Just now, HelpfulTechWizard said:

Way to sidestep the question dude....

I answered him prior, this is just another point being made.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

1 minute ago, WolframaticAlpha said:

Oops double post

Proton is userbased iirc

Proton is steam, 

But it might have been a native game

[wasab]

7 minutes ago, WolframaticAlpha said:

Oops double post

Proton is userbased iirc

proton is managed by valve and i would rather dual boot to windows than to install windows version of the game and run shogun 2 total war on linux with it. I have not touch windows in a long time. It sits on my 2ndary ssd i have only hop onto it for one thing only which is adobe becuase my company design documents are adobe documents. Then they are converted to pdf and i usually wont touch it again for another very long time

[WolframaticAlpha]

1 minute ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

Proton is steam, 

But it might have been a native game

Does not seem native.

2 minutes ago, OneOfYas said:

No but we certainly got that thanks to Microsoft.

It's not incorrect, the average user is not able to use it as intended as it requires hours of sitting around trying to fix.

 

What is being said that is wrong here?

 

LOL

>No but we certainly got that thanks to Micro'soft.

For you. I cannot go back to windows and it's trash way of doing things. The commandline is broken and it is way too unstable. Windows is still powerful but not my cup of tea.

 

>It's not incorrect, the average user is not able to use it as intended as it requires hours of sitting around trying to fix.

Newsflash! Just because you were having an issue doesn't mean others have it too. I have linux running on my desktop flawlessly for 3 years, on separate pieces if hardware. 

 

>What is being said that is wrong here?

Making a blanket statement, and one that is incorrect for the vast majority of users. 

[Helpful Tech Witch]

5 minutes ago, OneOfYas said:

No but we certainly got that thanks to Microsoft.

It's not incorrect, the average user is not able to use it as intended as it requires hours of sitting around trying to fix.

 

What is being said that is wrong here?

 

LOL

you have to be troling

 

Ive never seen this level of microsoft worshipign from even the stoutest fanboy

[WolframaticAlpha]

5 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

Proton is steam, 

But it might have been a native game

I meant protondb lol

[Helpful Tech Witch]

1 minute ago, WolframaticAlpha said:

Does not seem native.

7 minutes ago, OneOfYas said:

Does steam usually include linux in that if it is native?

I dont know if it usually shows linux

[OneOfYas]

3 minutes ago, WolframaticAlpha said:

Does not seem native.

>No but we certainly got that thanks to Micro'soft.

For you. I cannot go back to windows and it's trash way of doing things. The commandline is broken and it is way too unstable. Windows is still powerful but not my cup of tea.

 

>It's not incorrect, the average user is not able to use it as intended as it requires hours of sitting around trying to fix.

Newsflash! Just because you were having an issue doesn't mean others have it too. I have linux running on my desktop flawlessly for 3 years, on separate pieces if hardware. 

 

>What is being said that is wrong here?

Making a blanket statement, and one that is incorrect for the vast majority of users. 

"Newsflash! Just because you were having an issue doesn't mean others have it too."

 

"Making a blanket statement, and one that is incorrect for the vast majority of users. "

 

Well if I were wrong, people would love free software that works, but that's not the case now is it?

Most are on a Microsoft OS. Why would people logically pay for an OS? Oh right, because the operating system it's self matters.

 

Not even debatable.

 

Still laughing here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[OneOfYas]

1 minute ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

you have to be troling

 

Ive never seen this level of microsoft worshipign from even the stoutest fanboy

You don't work with facts.

[wasab]

5 minutes ago, OneOfYas said:

"Newsflash! Just because you were having an issue doesn't mean others have it too."

 

"Making a blanket statement, and one that is incorrect for the vast majority of users. "

 

Well if I were wrong, people would love free software that works, but that's not the case now is it?

Most are on a Microsoft OS. Why would people logically pay for an OS? Oh right, because the operating system it's self matters.

 

Still laughing here.

People priate windows softwares which is essentially freeware. Happens all the time in third world country. Microsoft literally turns a blind eye to it because as these countries bussinesses develop, consumers upgrade their pcs, an xyz percent will convert their pirated softwares into a legitimate windows license. Countries like India have a whopping 90% of their copy of windows pirated, china is the same story. Microsoft will literally make more money by allowing the piracy than to have people move over to linux. 

[WolframaticAlpha]

3 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

Does steam usually include linux in that if it is native?

I dont know if it usually shows linux

I think so:

4 minutes ago, OneOfYas said:

Well if I were wrong, people would love free software that works, but that's not the case now is it?

Most are on a Microsoft OS. Why would people logically pay for an OS? Oh right, because the operating system it's self matters.

nvm, I am just wasting my time talking to you. Just one thing. Keep an open mind when trying out new things.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

Just now, OneOfYas said:

You don't work with facts.

I do, windows is famously badly configured or messed up for the average user..

Just now, OneOfYas said:

"Newsflash! Just because you were having an issue doesn't mean others have it too."

 

"Making a blanket statement, and one that is incorrect for the vast majority of users. "

 

Well if I were wrong, people would love free software that works, but that's not the case now is it?

Most are on a Microsoft OS. Why would people logically pay for an OS? Oh right, because the operating system it's self matters.

 

Still laughing here.

 

Oh i can name many reasons.

 

• Its what theyre used to, theyre too lazy to do even the tinyest bit of work
• ignorance (which you seem to be well acquainted with), just not knowing linux is a option
• softwre support, they hate windows, but have to becaus they use something for work that doesnt work on linux
• Being afraid to deall with microsoft fanboys that shit on them for using linux
• becuase they use linux usually but have to see if a program works for windows

Did you really think at all when you posted this?

[OneOfYas]

6 minutes ago, wasab said:

People priate windows softwares which is essentially freeware. Happens all the time in third world country. Microsoft lierally turns a blind eye to it because as their bussinesses develop, consumers upgrade their pics, an xyz percent will convert their pirated softwares into a legitimate windows license. Countries like India have 90% of their copy of windows pirated, china is the same story. Microsoft will literally make more money by allowing the piracy than to have people move over to linux. 

Pirating is pirating, why would they not legally just download a free Linux distro?

Because most things work off the bat with Windows and none of it requires time that you won't get back.

 

Time spent doing something you enjoy is not wasted time.

Working with Linux is a chore.. wasted time.

Linux is widespread in things that have little to no user access or for specialist items which people use as an excuse.

As an operating system for personal use it is abysmal.

 

You can spend money and work it back doing work you enjoy.

You can waste time fixing an OS the community guides you with and tells you is the second coming of Jesus and it still fails to work and you won't get that time back ever, frustration builds as the desired outcome is different to the instructions and the people on the other end will make up mental scenarios that end with the user always being the fault. Collective narcissism.

 

Intuitive design is better.

User friendliness is better.

 

 

 

[OneOfYas]

2 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

I do, windows is famously badly configured or messed up for the average user..

Oh i can name many reasons.

 

• Its what theyre used to, theyre too lazy to do even the tinyest bit of work
• ignorance (which you seem to be well acquainted with), just not knowing linux is a option
• softwre support, they hate windows, but have to becaus they use something for work that doesnt work on linux
• Being afraid to deall with microsoft fanboys that shit on them for using linux
• becuase they use linux usually but have to see if a program works for windows

Did you really think at all when you posted this?

It's an operating system most use in their spare time not a work obligation which Linux becomes.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

1 minute ago, OneOfYas said:

Linux is widespread in things that have little to no user access or for specialist items which people use as an excuse.

 

wait untill you realise what macos, android, and ios are

[OneOfYas]

Just now, HelpfulTechWizard said:

wait untill you realise what macos, android, and ios are

And all 3 are not Linux.

[Ithanul]

16 hours ago, Master Disaster said:

Well I guess I'm talented then because I've been running it for almost a year. I'm playing with Gentoo in a VM and I have the LFS manual saved too

 

Edit - TBC, that response is 50/50 hyperbole/confidence. I'm fully aware of Archs advantages and disadvantages and I actually don't disagree with you either

Actually no, I'm very active in the Linux, macOS and non Windows thread as are at least 3 other Arch users. I'm all for users using whatever they need to do their own job and where possible, I'll offer help and advice for newbies. IMO the more people that use Linux the better and being elitist is not the way to make that happen.

 

Edit 2 - Also lets not forget, Valve (the saviours of Linux Gaming) chose Arch for the Steam Deck. If someone with 3 or 4 years of Linux experience is still having issues then I REALLY hope they made some big changes because if this is how its gonna be, Steam Deck is going to do more damage than good.

I would not be surprise if Valve will be rolling with their own in house tweaks on top of Arch and probably taking the time to ensure any upstream updates in Arch are vetted.  (I hope that be the case)  Also, that being a set hardware will probably help them aim specific tweaks towards the hardware (having a set baseline system helps a lot, where I work all our servers match in hardware spec and even our end clients have all the same internals to minimize headaches with our inhouse distro and software)

 

And yes, Linux is still not quite there on just ease of fire up and go gaming just yet.  Though, overall the setup to game has come a long way since the early 2000s.  Even as someone that works as a full time tech at a job on a RHEL derive system, I don't even bother running a Linux as the daily driver or gaming/entertainment machine.  I get enough headaches having to troubleshoot a Linux at work as is (at least there I get paid to do it).  Though, about the only time that system has hiccups is because...the stupid gateway Windows machine outside our network goes stupid with its NICs......

[Arika]

[OneOfYas]

It's 2020 so must be discounted.

 

[Helpful Tech Witch]

3 minutes ago, OneOfYas said:

Intuitive design is better.

 

Wait, having to look for a settig in like 3 diffrent places in windows is intuitive?

4 minutes ago, OneOfYas said:

User friendliness is better.

 

Having to deal with constant update reminders is user friendly?

1 minute ago, OneOfYas said:

And all 3 are not Linux.

macos and ios are basses off the same thing as linux (unix), and android litterally is a fork of android you thick idiot.

6 minutes ago, OneOfYas said:

As an operating system for personal use it is abysmal.

 

I use linux on two of my machines right now, both are fine. Ones a modded chromebook  running xubuntu, that has some trackpad issues due to driver problems, but as its a chromebook, i doubt it would be anty better with windows.

The other is a machine that I use linux on as a necesity. It just doesnt run windows well enough. APT is more than enough to make it good for personal use, i dont have to look half a million places for anything, its all a few keystrokes away.

9 minutes ago, OneOfYas said:

You can waste time fixing an OS the community guides you with and tells you is the second coming of Jesus and it still fails to work and you won't get that time back ever, frustration builds as the desired outcome is different to the instructions and the people on the other end will make up mental scenarios that end with the user always being the fault. Collective narcissism.

 

No one on this thread or any other has sead linux is the second comming of jesus. This whole thread is complaining about linux, Linus torvalds has complained about how bad linux can e at times, theres whole comunities build about trashing on arch. 

 

10 minutes ago, OneOfYas said:

It's an operating system most use in their spare time not a work obligation which Linux becomes.

I dont even understand this?

like this has nothing to do with any of the points I made, you just wont listen to any facts what so ever.