Should I upgrade from X470 to X570 for R9 5900x?

[The_Geek]

2019 Build:

x470

R7 2700x

64GB RAM

RTX 2060

Noctua D15 Cooler

 

2021 Upgrade:

x470 ( Kept the MB)

R9 5900x (Upgrade)

64 GB RAM

RTX 3060 (Upgrade)

Noctua D15 Cooler

 

Question: Do I need to replace the X470 MB with x570?

Everything is working just fine with the X470 MB, but the question keeps cropping up in my mind.

So what do the Tech Minds think?

 

[Fasauceome]

We don't even know what motherboard you have.

 

If it's a motherboard with beefy power delivery, a 5900X will not struggle to deliver full performance. If you need PCIe 4.0 then it's a different matter, but in regards to just the CPU, a lot of X470 motherboards are more than good enough

[mariushm]

Yes, because the VRMs of most x470 motherboards were kind of weak compared to the current motherboards. A 5900x will heat up most x470 vrms significantly and you risk an eventual failure or you risk having the cpu throttled when vrm gets too hot.

 

Upgrade to x570? No, unless you really need all the slots to be pci-e 4.0 , or two pci-e x8 4.0 slots.

 

B550 chipset motherboards will have just as good (or even better) VRMs, simply because they're designs made 1-2 years after the x570 chipset was launched, so they had access to better mosfets and power stages and made designs with newer better stuff.

 

You still get the main pci-e x16 slot as pci-e 4.0 x16, because it's wired directly to the CPU, you get a m.2 pci-e 4.0 x4 because it's wired directly to cpu - the only difference is that the chipset has pci-e 3.0 lanes.

 

 

[The_Geek]

5 minutes ago, mariushm said:

Yes, because the VRMs of most x470 motherboards were kind of weak compared to the current motherboards. A 5900x will heat up most x470 vrms significantly and you risk an eventual failure or you risk having the cpu throttled when vrm gets too hot.

 

Upgrade to x570? No, unless you really need all the slots to be pci-e 4.0 , or two pci-e x8 4.0 slots.

 

B550 chipset motherboards will have just as good (or even better) VRMs, simply because they're designs made 1-2 years after the x570 chipset was launched, so they had access to better mosfets and power stages and made designs with newer better stuff.

 

You still get the main pci-e x16 slot as pci-e 4.0 x16, because it's wired directly to the CPU, you get a m.2 pci-e 4.0 x4 because it's wired directly to cpu - the only difference is that the chipset has pci-e 3.0 lanes.

 

 

Thanks for the input, I had been considering the B550, but watching a ton of YT clips, came to realize that the x570 was somehow better that the B550. I will not be upgrading any of the NVMe's (2) abd SSD's (2) that are in my current system, and I believe they are PCI-e 3 standard as it is...  I am seriously going to look into the B550's now.

[Biggerboot]

I personally would stick with your board if it supports the 5900x, unless overclocking is important to you.

[The_Geek]

Just now, Biggerboot said:

I personally would stick with your board if it supports the 5900x, unless overclocking is important to you.

I did OC the CPU a bit, only to 4.2 GHz, and the idle temps are in the 30's and under CB23, they went up to 81. So that I would presume is not an issue, I am just thinking since I upgraded the CPU, maybe I should upgrade the MB as well. Although the x470 is working just fine, no issues so far, gaming is great, VM's are running like a charm. So no real need to upgrade, but it's just like an itch that has been bothering me....LOL

[The_Geek]

15 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

We don't even know what motherboard you have.

 

If it's a motherboard with beefy power delivery, a 5900X will not struggle to deliver full performance. If you need PCIe 4.0 then it's a different matter, but in regards to just the CPU, a lot of X470 motherboards are more than good enough

MB: Asus Prime x470 Pro

[Sorenson]

5 minutes ago, The_Geek said:

Thanks for the input, I had been considering the B550, but watching a ton of YT clips, came to realize that the x570 was somehow better that the B550. I will not be upgrading any of the NVMe's (2) abd SSD's (2) that are in my current system, and I believe they are PCI-e 3 standard as it is...  I am seriously going to look into the B550's now.

If you’re not upgrading your storage to PCIE 4.0 you won’t get any benefit from the motherboard upgrade. It seems like a waste of money just for the sake of upgrading. 

[Fasauceome]

2 minutes ago, The_Geek said:

MB: Asus Prime x470 Pro

On our local motherboard tier list, that board sits on the "maxed out 8 core" tier. I would expect a 5900X to be right at home in a board like that, unless you had lofty overclocking goals.

 

 

 

[The_Geek]

Just now, Fasauceome said:

On our local motherboard tier list, that board sits on the "maxed out 8 core" tier. I would expect a 5900X to be right at home in a board like that, unless you had lofty overclocking goals.

No lofty OC goals, at 4.2GHz, the PC does everything just fine, I OC'd the RAM to run @ 3000 Hz though and the system is stable.

[mariushm]

That board has a 6 phase VRM, where each phase has a single 40A IR3553 power stage. So 240A maximum current ... it's acceptable for a 8 core cpu. Monitor the VRM temperature though.

 

But you have B550 boards with 10-12 x 50-70A power stages that would be more efficient and cooler.

[The_Geek]

Another thing, I guess I have a limited scope of MB's as I would need a MB that has the Bios Flash back option on it.

As I have the 5900x, and the 2700x is already placed in my Son's system.. so the options are kind of limited....

Is there a way to update the bios on NON FB MB's without an older CPU?

[The_Geek]

19 hours ago, mariushm said:

That board has a 6 phase VRM, where each phase has a single 40A IR3553 power stage. So 240A maximum current ... it's acceptable for a 8 core cpu. Monitor the VRM temperature though.

 

But you have B550 boards with 10-12 x 50-70A power stages that would be more efficient and cooler.

I am technical, but Not HardCore like some of you guys...

Can someone who understands this a lot better guide me?

CPU: 5900X

PSU: NZXT C750 - NP-C750M - 750 Watt PSU - 80+ Gold Certified

RAM:64 GB

Noctua Cooler D15

What B550's would be best?

What x570's would be best?

remember I would probably need the Bios FlashBack option.

And
I am an ASUS house... for some reason, I have been buying ASUS MB's, GPU's, Laptops and all... But this is not a must if the MB is great.

2 x LAN ports would be great if I can get them.

[mariushm]

There's no BEST ... asking what's BEST is a stupid question.

 

You have a very good mix of performance and features at a certain price point, otherwise everyone can just say go for the $600  B550 motherboard because it's the best.

 

Asus motherboards aren't particularly great, compared to other brands. You pay a lot extra for the brand.

 

x570 is only worth if you absolutely need all slots to be pci-e 4.0  and if you need two pci-e x16 slots that convert to pci-e x8 when two cards are inserted.

There's a fewer number of B550 motherboards that have this option of splitting the 16 pci-e lanes from CPU into 2 pci-e x8 slots.

 

You're however trading other things like better onboard audio chips, better onboard lan (2.5gbps ethernet for example), more usb connectors on io shield, front panel usb 3.2 (10gbps) header for these features and for a fan on the chipset - a lot of x570 boards are less good at features because they were designed years ago, before B550 chipset was solidified and manufacturers did high end boards with it.

 

There's a very thorough spreadsheet on Google Docs : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wmsTYK9Z3-jUX5LGRoFnsZYZiW1pfiDZnKCjaXyzd1o/edit

Follow the instructions to enable filter view and select only B550 and x570 and you'll have a column there called Tier where you can see where the board you're looking at lands.

 

Also Hardware Unboxed reviewed a bunch of B550 boards from a vrm quality standpoint (how well the heatsink is, how hot the vrm gets with overclocked cpus etc) :

Since they made these videps, there's a few more models out there which are upgraded (ex gigabyte elite and pro and other V2 models are better, with extra usb 10g front panel header or 2.5g ethernet instead of 1gbps) , msi has some boards like torpedo, unify , tomohawk etc

 

 

edit : middle, a bit more expensive than budget

budget, matx models

 

higher end

 

[The_Geek]

Thanks !

Was probably not a stupid question, but I appreciate the information.

I will look into this and see what fits best.

 

From what you have been saying, B550 look to be better boards,

I will follow your advise and let you know.

[frozensun]

What do you plan on working with 5900x?

[The_Geek]

Just now, frozensun said:

What do you plan on working with 5900x?

Wifey does video editing, and the usual Photoshop work.

I use it basically for gaming/ VM's for software testing.

 

The 5900X was an after thought, I had upgraded from 2700x to 5800x on the same x470, but the Noctua D15 was not able to get the 5800X temps in control, so it was either spend $200+ on a good Liquid cooler...

Or

 Go to 5900x

The money was about the same either way... so.. I went the 5900x way and the D15 is absolutely doing fine with the temps....

[frozensun]

Ryzen is bad choice for video editing.

[SavageNeo]

24 minutes ago, frozensun said:

Ryzen is bad choice for video editing.

how so?

he already has a rtx gpu so he can use cuda accelaration.

 

Ryzen has better single core and multicore than Intel, so it would be better for editing with or without any accelerators. Intel is only better at editing software that uses AVX, but those are pretty rare

[mariushm]

Ignore him, it's just as good at video editing as Intel processors are.

[frozensun]

4 minutes ago, SavageNeo said:

how so?

he already has a rtx gpu so he can use cuda accelaration.

 

Ryzen has better single core and multicore than Intel, so it would be better for editing with or without any accelerators. Intel is only better at editing software that uses AVX, but those are pretty rare

It's because Adobe package is optimized for Intel CPUs.

Period.

 

[mariushm]

Yeah, that's why Puget Sound Systems suggest Ryzen for 6K editing in Premiere and Threadripper for 8K editing : https://www.pugetsystems.com/recommended/Recommended-Systems-for-Adobe-Premiere-Pro-143

 

Also, see Adobe Premiere Pro: 11th Gen Intel Core vs AMD Ryzen 5000 Series

 

Are the 11th Gen Intel Core Processors Good for Premiere Pro?

Quote

 

Depending on your budget, the new 11th Gen Intel Core processors range from being slightly ahead, to slightly behind AMD's current Ryzen offerings. At the i5 and i7 level, the Core i5 11600K and Core i7 11700K cost a bit less than the Ryzen 5600X and 5800X respectively, but perform within a handful of percent. The Core i9 11900K, on the other hand, performs about the same as the Core i7 11700K, making it a bit more expensive and slower than the Ryzen 5800X, or 14% slower than the more expensive Ryzen 5900X.

The one thing that gives Intel an additional advantage is the fact that they support Quick Sync; which Premiere Pro can use to accelerate decoding and encoding of H.264 and H.265 media. Especially at this budget level, H.264/5 is by far the most common type of media to work with, so being able to use Quick Sync to process the footage instead of the GPU frees up your video card for other tasks like processing GPU accelerated effects. It also allows you to squeeze out a bit more export performance than our benchmarks show since you can use Quick Sync to decode H.264/5 media, while using the GPU to handle the encoding side of things (or vice-versa).

Overall, we would say that Intel has a slight lead for Premiere Pro at the sub-$400 range with the i5 11600K and i7 11700K, but the difference is so small that you could go with AMD if you wanted to without giving up too much. Above the $400 MSRP mark, however, AMD is likely going to be the better choice with their AMD Ryzen 5900X or 5950X.

 

 

[Guest]

22 hours ago, The_Geek said:

No lofty OC goals, at 4.2GHz, the PC does everything just fine, I OC'd the RAM to run @ 3000 Hz though and the system is stable.

See below in my sig? 

Read it, you get it.... your interested in something that "could" create an issue doing a board swap. Everything comes out and goes back in.

 

If it ain't broken, don't fix it.

[Aragorn-]

Leave the X470 alone. Its perfectly fine, and "upgrading" will just empty your wallet and provide zero actual improvements.

[The_Geek]

Well,

I just couldn't resist a deal on

ASUS ROG Strix X570-E Gaming ATX Motherboard- PCIe 4.0, Aura Sync RGB Lighting, 2.5 Gbps and Intel Gigabit LAN, WIFI 6 (802.11Ax), Dual M.2 Heatsinks (New)

I just had to pay Shipping: $ 11.28, so now I will get that MB tomorrow.( Amazon Price was $329)

Question:

Can I just replant the OS NVMe from the x470 +5900X build to x570+5900X build?

I tried to find online but no one is talking about Win10, but just Win7

Has anyone done it?

Any help would be appreciated.