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Alienware no longer shipping high end gaming PCs to certain US States, citing new power consumption regulations

Mister Woof
By Mister Woof
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9 minutes ago, CarlBar said:

It's specifically about how a computer must meet a certain maximum power use under certain low power conditions, (two different idle states, sleep, and hibernate are specified).

Psst, there's one easy way to cut down idle wattages stop installing bloatwares on PCs

-sigh- feeling like I'm being too negative lately

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Why are people so afraid of nuclear power. It prevents issues like this from happening. 

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1 hour ago, James Evens said:

@RejZoR Haven't done any reading into power grids but my guess is part of the solution will be battery's. Either in substations or directly at your house combined with hourly changing energy cost to encourage load balancing (reducing spikes).

Everyone is hyping electricity for cars these days and orgasming how cheap it is. I keep warning once everyone starts charging cars with electricity and when petrol cars die out, they'll put all the stupid tax on electricity. I mean, in my country, half of gasoline price is some government tax. Imagine gov. not getting 50% from every petrol sale. They'll want to get that from somewhere.

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1 minute ago, RejZoR said:

Everyone is hyping electricity for cars these days and orgasming how cheap it is. I keep warning once everyone starts charging cars with electricity and when petrol cars die out, they'll put all the stupid tax on electricity. I mean, in my country, half of gasoline price is some government tax. Imagine gov. not getting 50% from every petrol sale. They'll want to get that from somewhere.

They want to impose a "usage" tax to compensate for loss of petrol taxes to Hybrid/EVs.

 

Kicker is it double taxes petrol vehicles since they get it at the pump and usage.

Before you reply to my post, REFRESH. 99.99% chance I edited my post. 

 

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52 minutes ago, CarlBar said:

Okay dug into the article because the thread seemed desperately low on the info of what the regulation actually bans. It's specifically about how a computer must meet a certain maximum power use under certain low power conditions, (two different idle states, sleep, and hibernate are specified). The regulation doesn't from what i can see in the article limit peak power consumption under high load. It's the idle power state values the Dell systems are unable to meet.

 

I'm not so sure that's all the regulation addresses.

 

It DOES include provisions that devices must have certain low power modes.

 

I read the regulations myself. Maybe I'm missing something, but...

 

https://energycodeace.com/site/custom/public/reference-ace-t20/index.html#!Documents/section16053statestandardsfornonfederallyregulatedappliances.htm#vcomputerscomputermonitorstelevisionssignagedisplaysandconsumera5.htm

 

"(5) Desktop computers, thin clients, mobile gaming systems, portable all-in-ones, and notebook computers. Desktop computers, thin clients, mobile gaming systems, portable all-in-ones, and notebook computers manufactured on or after January 1, 2019, shall:"

 

It has two requirements. One of them talks about sleep mode. The other is that they must...

 

"(A) Comply with Table V-7;"

 

Table v7 lists maximum power consumption, per year. It's ridiculously low (50-75 kwh/year). It doesn't specify anything about sleep mode or idle mode, just total power consumption limits.

 

I think that dell was on top of this regulation, but NO computer, no matter how efficient, is going to fall within this spec. We'll see other manufacturers pull out right away. Even a 500 watt computer used for an hour of gaming a day would be past the limit in half a year!

 

Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't find anything specific about "idle" anywhere in this table or regulations that reference it

 

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Good grief this is by far one of dumbest things I've read from California. They have brownouts because of people charging electric cars that use 11500 watts but a 500w PSU is too much that's absurdity. Maybe admit that the electric grid isn't able to handle your fancy electric vehicles and stop shoving stupid miniscule energy saving tactics down people's throats costing them money.

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I'm not so sure that's all the regulation addresses.

 

It DOES include provisions that devices must have certain low power modes.

 

I read the regulations myself. Maybe I'm missing something, but...

 

https://energycodeace.com/site/custom/public/reference-ace-t20/index.html#!Documents/section16053statestandardsfornonfederallyregulatedappliances.htm#vcomputerscomputermonitorstelevisionssignagedisplaysandconsumera5.htm

 

"(5) Desktop computers, thin clients, mobile gaming systems, portable all-in-ones, and notebook computers. Desktop computers, thin clients, mobile gaming systems, portable all-in-ones, and notebook computers manufactured on or after January 1, 2019, shall:"

 

It has two requirements. One of them talks about sleep mode. The other is that they must...

 

"(A) Comply with Table V-7;"

 

Table v7 lists maximum power consumption, per year. It's ridiculously low (50-75 kwh/year). It doesn't specify anything about sleep mode or idle mode, just total power consumption limits.

 

I think that dell was on top of this regulation, but NO computer, no matter how efficient, is going to fall within this spec. Even a 500 watt computer used for an hour of gaming a day would be past the limit in half a year!

 

Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't find anything specific about "idle" anywhere in this table or regulations that reference it

 

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You're talking about California, the state that deliberately makes laws difficult to understand as a deterrent

 

 

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4 minutes ago, GatoDelFuego said:

I'm not so sure that's all the regulation addresses.

 

It DOES include provisions that devices must have certain low power modes.

 

I read the regulations myself. Maybe I'm missing something, but...

 

https://energycodeace.com/site/custom/public/reference-ace-t20/index.html#!Documents/section16053statestandardsfornonfederallyregulatedappliances.htm#vcomputerscomputermonitorstelevisionssignagedisplaysandconsumera5.htm

 

"(5) Desktop computers, thin clients, mobile gaming systems, portable all-in-ones, and notebook computers. Desktop computers, thin clients, mobile gaming systems, portable all-in-ones, and notebook computers manufactured on or after January 1, 2019, shall:"

 

It has two requirements. One of them talks about sleep mode. The other is that they must...

 

"(A) Comply with Table V-7;"

 

Table v7 lists maximum power consumption, per year. It's ridiculously low (50-75 kwh/year). It doesn't specify anything about sleep mode or idle mode, just total power consumption limits.

 

I think that dell was on top of this regulation, but NO computer, no matter how efficient, is going to fall within this spec. We'll see other manufacturers pull out right away. Even a 500 watt computer used for an hour of gaming a day would be past the limit in half a year!

 

Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't find anything specific about "idle" anywhere in this table or regulations that reference it

 

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I'm merely going off what the article states. Didn't even try to look up the regulation itself. Those tend to be in the forbidden spicy language of legalese, and that gives me a headache.

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47 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

You're talking about California, the state that deliberately makes laws difficult to understand as a deterrent

 

 

I don't disagree. The regulations also state that water fountains shall consume less than 1.2 khw / day in STANDBY mode. Or, the average drinking fountain that nobody uses the entire year gets around eight times the power a gaming pc is allowed.

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53 minutes ago, SlidewaysZ said:

They have brownouts because of people charging electric cars that use 11500 watts but a 500w PSU is too much that's absurdity.

People don't leave their electric cars on for days without using it like people do with computers. Thats the difference.

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Ok, after some more digging...

https://energycodeace.com/site/custom/public/reference-ace-t20/index.html#!Documents/section1604testmethodsforspecificappliances.htm#vcomputerscomputermonitorstelevisionssignagedisplaysandconsumera2.htm

 

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(4) The test method for computers is the ENERGY STAR Program Requirements for Computers, Final Test Method (Rev. March-2016), with the following modifications:

(A) Settings regarding hard-disk spinning shall not be altered from the default as-shipped settings.

(B) The total annual energy consumption of a computer shall be calculated using Equation 1 in Section 3 of the ENERGY STAR Program Requirements for Computers, Eligibility Criteria Version 6.1 (Rev. March-2016)."

 

 

That equation being:

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So perhaps it is just talking about idling? In that case dell may not have a good enough idle power consumption and that's why they are not selling the product

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25 minutes ago, GatoDelFuego said:

Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't find anything specific about "idle" anywhere in this table or regulations that reference it

They key is actually in Section 1604.  The calculations are based on the Energy Star Version 6.1 Section 3 equation 1.  [https://www.energystar.gov/sites/default/files/specs/Version 6 1 Computers Final Program Requirements.pdf] (Page 15).  It's basically based on power off state, and idle states (the different types).

 

The kicker I think is that the Alienware PC shown in the Gamers Nexus uses an 18 watt fan case (and my guess will be it's constantly running max...could be wrong).  It really starts taking away from what is possible especially when you mix that with an 80 plus gold (which doesn't guarantee efficiencies at lower power draws). [Although maybe it does do well under low wattage]

 

It'd be interesting to see just how much of this is because Alienware has too many things running during idle and mixed with bad designs.

  

3 hours ago, StDragon said:

For those not living in the US, the fact the State of California was mentioned says it all. They take what otherwise are sensible ideas and turn it way past 11 into absurdity!

The way this reads, it does seem sensible.  This is mostly I think targeted more towards businesses, as it's said 7%...and speaking from experience the majority of places require the computer to be left on 24/7 (essentially idling)...so enforcing stricter idle performance is a good thing.  After all, if it's in idle it really should be needing to draw extra power, it's just it does because there is less effort by manufactures to come up with more eco-friendly products at idle (as that's not really a selling point).

  

9 hours ago, Master Disaster said:

Instead of tacking things that will have a real impact (like industrial wastage for one) they'll ban gaming devices because option one is high profile, low cost and low effort where as making factories turn off lights, AC units and power down machines when not needed costs a fuck load of money, needs to be enforced by somebody and won't get the politicians name in the press.

I do think that they are tackling the other stuff, it just doesn't make as much of a click-bait.  As I've mentioned above, this isn't targeting gaming devices per se.  This is targeting devices that don't perform well under low loads.  I think Linus did a video showing just how much extra power consumption a computer can use by just a graphics card swap...either way, I bet Alienware could likely meet the requirements with tweaks to their systems (i.e. making the case design/MB more efficient)

  

4 hours ago, YoungBlade said:

 

This seems like another example of politicians trying to solve a problem without consulting people who actually know anything about what they're regulating.

The regulation looks to be decently written.  It's not saying people who have a power hungry machine to stop using it.  It's preventing the selling of power hungry machines that are power hungry at low levels.

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3 minutes ago, wanderingfool2 said:

 The regulation looks to be decently written.  It's not saying people who have a power hungry machine to stop using it.  It's preventing the selling of power hungry machines that are power hungry at low levels.

You didn't address the main points of my argument.

 

1. Idle computers don't actually use that much power when compared to other household items, like conventional light bulbs

2. Some people actually need high performance PCs to do actual work, it's not just gamers

3. High performance PCs can actually be more efficient when doing that work, because of better efficiency per watt

 

I don't think this is something that needs this sort of blanket regulation. Consumer electronics don't use much power compared to other household appliances. An electric oven uses on average 3000W. If that runs for 2 hours to cook dinner, it's already used more power than an inefficient idle PC will use over the course of multiple days, and that's assuming the computer doesn't go to sleep (where it then uses just 2-5W).

 

Heating and cooling is by far the largest consumers of electricity. Why not require that all air conditioners be fitted with reversing valves to act as reversible heat pumps? That would save tons of energy on heating costs in the winter while actually giving consumers more freedom. Why not offer tax incentives for the use of smart thermostats that let the power companies do things like turn off your AC during peak hours? That would give tangible benefits by removing the need for rolling blackouts. Heck, just give everyone in California a couple of LED bulbs to replace their old ones and you'd already have saved the same amount of energy.

 

If the goal is actually to reduce carbon emissions and to have the state use less energy, this seems like a poor way to do that.

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By "certain US states" I assumed you meant "the usual suspects". Yep, article checks out. Move along folks, nothing to see here.

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3 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

You didn't address the main points of my argument.

 

1. Idle computers don't actually use that much power when compared to other household items, like conventional light bulbs

2. Some people actually need high performance PCs to do actual work, it's not just gamers

3. High performance PCs can actually be more efficient when doing that work, because of better efficiency per watt

 

I don't think this is something that needs this sort of blanket regulation. Consumer electronics don't use much power compared to other household appliances. An electric oven uses on average 3000W. If that runs for 2 hours to cook dinner, it's already used more power than an inefficient idle PC will use over the course of multiple days, and that's assuming the computer doesn't go to sleep (where it then uses just 2-5W).

 

Heating and cooling is by far the largest consumers of electricity. Why not require that all air conditioners be fitted with reversing valves to act as reversible heat pumps? That would save tons of energy on heating costs in the winter while actually giving consumers more freedom. Why not offer tax incentives for the use of smart thermostats that let the power companies do things like turn off your AC during peak hours? That would give tangible benefits by removing the need for rolling blackouts. Heck, just give everyone in California a couple of LED bulbs to replace their old ones and you'd already have saved the same amount of energy.

 

If the goal is actually to reduce carbon emissions and to have the state use less energy, this seems like a poor way to do that.

I don't think after reading through some of the comments and analysis above that this is really "blanket".


Seems there's a lot of minutiae when it comes to OEMs/SIs and idle power consumption, with exemptions/expanded allowances for more add-in cards, but Alienware/Dell is just that shitty of a company that they can't equip their systems up to the 21st century standard.

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7 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

You didn't address the main points of my argument.

 

1. Idle computers don't actually use that much power when compared to other household items, like conventional light bulbs

2. Some people actually need high performance PCs to do actual work, it's not just gamers

3. High performance PCs can actually be more efficient when doing that work, because of better efficiency per watt

 

I don't think this is something that needs this sort of blanket regulation. Consumer electronics don't use much power compared to other household appliances. An electric oven uses on average 3000W. If that runs for 2 hours to cook dinner, it's already used more power than an inefficient idle PC will use over the course of multiple days, and that's assuming the computer doesn't go to sleep (where it then uses just 2-5W).

 

Heating and cooling is by far the largest consumers of electricity. Why not require that all air conditioners be fitted with reversing valves to act as reversible heat pumps? That would save tons of energy on heating costs in the winter while actually giving consumers more freedom. Why not offer tax incentives for the use of smart thermostats that let the power companies do things like turn off your AC during peak hours? That would give tangible benefits by removing the need for rolling blackouts. Heck, just give everyone in California a couple of LED bulbs to replace their old ones and you'd already have saved the same amount of energy.

 

If the goal is actually to reduce carbon emissions and to have the state use less energy, this seems like a poor way to do that.

 

Because of how the regulation is written, 2 and 3 really shouldn't be relevant. 1 is fair but i also don't see any reason to not encourage the idle power to go down.

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Well..

 

A video card that can pull 500w is fucking ridiculous. Should never have been released.

 

Now fill thousand of square feet with them and see what happens. 

 

I'm not saying I agree with it, but I can see why.

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2 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

You didn't address the main points of my argument.

 

1. Idle computers don't actually use that much power when compared to other household items, like conventional light bulbs

2. Some people actually need high performance PCs to do actual work, it's not just gamers

3. High performance PCs can actually be more efficient when doing that work, because of better efficiency per watt

If you read any of what I was saying you would understand your argument of using 2 and 3 is absurd.  The regulation is basing it off of idle performance, which should be attainable.  There is a lot less point in having a system idle at 100watts doing nothing than a system lets say idling at 10 watts doing nothing...it forces device makers to start complying with lower energy limits (i.e. coming up with better power management for when the system isn't doing anything demanding).

 

8 minutes ago, YoungBlade said:

I don't think this is something that needs this sort of blanket regulation. Consumer electronics don't use much power compared to other household appliances. An electric oven uses on average 3000W. If that runs for 2 hours to cook dinner, it's already used more power than an inefficient idle PC will use over the course of multiple days, and that's assuming the computer doesn't go to sleep (where it then uses just 2-5W).

Everything is about perspective...btw even though ovens might be rated at 3000 watts, doesn't mean it consumes that.  Ovens often hit temp and then maintain, so it's not like it's drawing 3000 watts all the time, it's actually using quite a bit less.  Similar to how fridges have regulations to keep them more isolated (same goes with ovens)...they hold the temp for longer with less energy loss.

 

The point I am trying to make is that it's not actually like what you are saying.  It's not some half-thought out plan without consolation.  It addresses many different areas that needs to become more efficient.

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2 hours ago, BuckGup said:

Why are people so afraid of nuclear power. It prevents issues like this from happening. 

besides weren't they working for an energy positive fusion reactor?

 

so they would just throw into the bin the investment because of the public fears? lol

 

unless the real issue isn't public fear, but just someone who likes to lobby because nuclear power would be less profitable for them

 

 

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3 hours ago, RejZoR said:

It's gonna be fun when cars being charged en mass by public start drawing huge wattages from networks. Currently it's few users sprinkled around. When there will be millions of EV's actively charging at the same time, then that will be fun...

I'm just waiting for the day current gen BEVs are the new diesels...

 

First we were told PETROL BAD DIESEL GOOD, EVERYONE BUY A DIESEL NOW

Then we found out diesels weren't actually better

Then we found diesels were actually a lot worse (VW scandal)

 

Mark my words... It might not be for another decade or two, but there will come a point we're told these BEVs aren't the climate saviours we touted them as and we'll then be told to buy whatever new alternative is knocking about then like... Let's say BEVs that use man-made lithium for the li-ion batteries or something or some other material that's less destructive to obtain. After all, lithium is a rare Earth metal, though only rare by name (about as common as lead IIRC), so usually only found in smaller deposits.

2 hours ago, BuckGup said:

Why are people so afraid of nuclear power. It prevents issues like this from happening. 

Probably the same reason some people are still afraid of planes and helicopters.

 

Think, nuclear power plants and planes/helicopters are quite similar in some ways. They're incredibly safe as long as they're operated properly and not pushed into conditions they're not built for. Often times, failures are the result of human error or suddenly, uncontrollable events. Now, if you have an equipment failure with a dash of human error on top? You have a major issue.

 

The problem stems from those rare incidents where a serious problem occurs and is met with human error/poorly trained staff. When it comes to nuclear power plants and aircraft, scenarios like these often end up with very catastrophic failures, so when these do happen, the numbers can look very scary and it'll get a lot of news coverage purely because it's rare. Look at it like this, about 5 people die every day on UK roads. No one bats an eye. If a plane goes down killing 100 people, it's all over the news, it's a massive tragedy. Another 20 days goes by... Another 100 deaths on UK roads and another plane goes down, killing 100. The former? Nothing. The latter? 24 hour news coverage. 

 

That's what it's about. It's all about association. It's all about those one off rare events. Those events that happen rarely but are catastrophic. That's why people are afraid. 

 

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1 hour ago, poochyena said:

People don't leave their electric cars on for days without using it like people do with computers. Thats the difference.

A car also doesn't make people money. Some people need the compute power for work. What are they going to do tell people to stop using computers? Any power requirements on something like a household computer is excessive. Like someone mentioned above water fountains that run all the time get higher power draw limits. Once again this is a law written by people who have no understanding of the technology or products they are trying to regulate.

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Well..

 

A video card that can pull 500w is fucking ridiculous. Should never have been released.

 

Now fill thousand of square feet with them and see what happens. 

 

I'm not saying I agree with it, but I can see why.

The funny thing is that hardware itself has actually become way more efficient. It's just the software demands have evolved to maximize the hardware performance, not maximize the eficiency.

 

An RTX 3090 might pull 350w at full load, but it will do at 50w what a GTX 480 could do at 250w.

 

It will only do as much as it's being asked to do. But software isn't often developed for efficiency, it just uses hardware as a crutch.

 

In a way, mobile gaming is doing more to advance efficiency than anything else.

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I agree with everything you said.. I don't know much about bloatware other than I don't use it because it interferes with benchmarks 🙂 

 

There is a ton of convenience  that I am missing out on by not doing hardware level things in windows.. I also live with unicorn puke because I really don't like the software that I can use to turn it off 😄

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12 minutes ago, SlidewaysZ said:

A car also doesn't make people money.

uhh, yes it does. A good portion of people rely on having a car for work. But thats besides the point, its not about money, its about energy waste.

 

14 minutes ago, SlidewaysZ said:

What are they going to do tell people to stop using computers?

no

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