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Alternative to DuckDuckGo? (which is already an alternative to Google)

allanonmage
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I've been using DuckDuckGo for several years.  Most of the time it has been good enough.

 

However, the past few years I have been able to tell that the search results are not natural, and censored in similar ways to Google.  Searching for news or politics is the biggest most obvious example, but now even searching for some technology things is clearly manipulated, especially when you're searching for solutions to problems that the tech companies think are "features".  Any kind of joke that is not politically correct is almost unfindable, and finding memes that I know already exist are also randomly way more difficult than they should be.  Search is moving away from giving you what you are searching for, to giving you a combination of what "they" want to sell you, make you think, or simply give you the opposite of what you are looking for (this one is particularly strange).

 

"They" being not the mysterious they, but people who manipulate search results, SEO, make laws that govern search, write the code behind the results, etc..  Amazon's search is a good example of pushing product, not results, and eBay also recently switched to a similar algorithm.  Newegg search is somewhere in between.

 

So, I'm looking to see what other options are out there.  I've heard of Ecosia, Yandex, QWant and SearX.  I use Ecosia at work because DDG is blocked (they won't tell me why), and it's about the same as DDG.  I haven't given Yandex a solid test, for no particular reason.  I still haven't wrapped my head around SearX yet, nor determined which independent search server is going to be better or worse than another.  QWant is A French government search engine, and I'd rather stay away from anything government controlled, but they made the thing to disconnect from Silicon Valley.

 

Obviously, Google and Bing are right out.  Except I do sometimes search for some images on Google when I get frustrated with DDG.

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Qwant

Startpage (they have very similar results to google)

Brave search (currently in beta so you can't expect too much but it might also be worth a look)

Yandex

9 minutes ago, allanonmage said:

QWant is A French government search engine

do you have any evidence for that? While Qwant is used mostly by french users and the company is based in france I could not find ecidence that it is directly controlled by the french authorities. It is known that the french government wants to support qwant as an domestic competitor to Google, which is US-based.

source: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qwant#cite_note-15

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search.brave.com 

It's essentially DuckDuckGo from 3 years ago but more secure 

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You, simply, have no idea what you're talking about. The type of manipulation you're talking about is not a thing, doesn't happen, and isn't even possible on the scale of search results these engines are handling.

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4 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

search.brave.com 

It's essentially DuckDuckGo from 3 years ago but more secure 

I question the ethics of Brave because they didn't pay some content creators for the promotion of their browsers.

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8 minutes ago, Drama Lama said:

Qwant

Startpage (they have very similar results to google)

Brave search (currently in beta so you can't expect too much but it might also be worth a look)

Yandex

do you have any evidence for that? While Qwant is used mostly by french users and the company is based in france I could not find ecidence that it is directly controlled by the french authorities. It is known that the french government wants to support qwant as an domestic competitor to Google, which is US-based.

source: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qwant#cite_note-15

Oh, it's ***used*** by the French government.  I last looked into it over a year ago.  I guess I remembered that wrong.

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25 minutes ago, allanonmage said:

I've been using DuckDuckGo for several years.  Most of the time it has been good enough.

 

However, the past few years I have been able to tell that the search results are not natural, and censored in similar ways to Google.  Searching for news or politics is the biggest most obvious example, but now even searching for some technology things is clearly manipulated, especially when you're searching for solutions to problems that the tech companies think are "features".  Any kind of joke that is not politically correct is almost unfindable, and finding memes that I know already exist are also randomly way more difficult than they should be.  Search is moving away from giving you what you are searching for, to giving you a combination of what "they" want to sell you, make you think, or simply give you the opposite of what you are looking for (this one is particularly strange).

 

"They" being not the mysterious they, but people who manipulate search results, SEO, make laws that govern search, write the code behind the results, etc..  Amazon's search is a good example of pushing product, not results, and eBay also recently switched to a similar algorithm.  Newegg search is somewhere in between.

 

So, I'm looking to see what other options are out there.  I've heard of Ecosia, Yandex, QWant and SearX.  I use Ecosia at work because DDG is blocked (they won't tell me why), and it's about the same as DDG.  I haven't given Yandex a solid test, for no particular reason.  I still haven't wrapped my head around SearX yet, nor determined which independent search server is going to be better or worse than another.  QWant is A French government search engine, and I'd rather stay away from anything government controlled, but they made the thing to disconnect from Silicon Valley.

 

Obviously, Google and Bing are right out.  Except I do sometimes search for some images on Google when I get frustrated with DDG.

Brave Search. It's pretty good. There's only a beta version going on now. Also instead of changing search engines you can use the tor browser in which it doesn't matter what search engine you use, it's like a vpn but slower and secure.

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14 minutes ago, allanonmage said:

I question the ethics of Brave because they didn't pay some content creators for the promotion of their browsers.

Yeah I actually was suppose to get paid under this as I was a creator and had multiple websites and youtube channels. They basically said sorry we don't have the funds to pay you but thanks

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On 6/27/2021 at 4:15 PM, Chris Pratt said:

You, simply, have no idea what you're talking about. The type of manipulation you're talking about is not a thing, doesn't happen, and isn't even possible on the scale of search results these engines are handling.

I signed up to this site just to laugh at your comment.

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How can you call DuckDuckGo search results censored? Have turned safe search off and clicked on images? I don't really want to see a bunch of pornography when searching up how to make lasagna so I always have it on 😂😂

I'm serious about this. It happens way to often.

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3 hours ago, Mcn said:

I signed up to this site just to laugh at your comment.

Anyone with any actual understanding of how these things work knows what I said is 100% true.  Educate yourself.

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Doesn’t DDG just use Bing’s indexing or something? I know Yandex indexes stuff on their own, but it focuses on CIS countries + Turkey. QWant is probably a good choice. Or maybe you’re just paranoid 

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On 6/27/2021 at 7:56 PM, allanonmage said:

I've been using DuckDuckGo for several years.  Most of the time it has been good enough.

 

However, the past few years I have been able to tell that the search results are not natural, and censored in similar ways to Google.  Searching for news or politics is the biggest most obvious example, but now even searching for some technology things is clearly manipulated, especially when you're searching for solutions to problems that the tech companies think are "features".  Any kind of joke that is not politically correct is almost unfindable, and finding memes that I know already exist are also randomly way more difficult than they should be.  Search is moving away from giving you what you are searching for, to giving you a combination of what "they" want to sell you, make you think, or simply give you the opposite of what you are looking for (this one is particularly strange).

 

"They" being not the mysterious they, but people who manipulate search results, SEO, make laws that govern search, write the code behind the results, etc..  Amazon's search is a good example of pushing product, not results, and eBay also recently switched to a similar algorithm.  Newegg search is somewhere in between.

 

So, I'm looking to see what other options are out there.  I've heard of Ecosia, Yandex, QWant and SearX.  I use Ecosia at work because DDG is blocked (they won't tell me why), and it's about the same as DDG.  I haven't given Yandex a solid test, for no particular reason.  I still haven't wrapped my head around SearX yet, nor determined which independent search server is going to be better or worse than another.  QWant is A French government search engine, and I'd rather stay away from anything government controlled, but they made the thing to disconnect from Silicon Valley.

 

Obviously, Google and Bing are right out.  Except I do sometimes search for some images on Google when I get frustrated with DDG.

Maybe try metager it is pretty cool or you could try out searx. They are both open source and pretty cool but I think searx is cooler because it has zero ad. Here is a list of searx instances: https://searx.space/. You can also sign up for the waitlist for Kagi (a new private search engine that does not censor results as much as other search engines) https://kagi.com

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