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10700kf is looking very appealing vs 5600x

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  1. 1. Which path should I choose:

    • 5600x build $575
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    • i7 10700k $520
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    • i9 10850k $590
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    • i5 then upgrade with Rocket Lake?
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So I'm trying to decide between these three upgrade paths 5600x vs i7 10700k vs i9 10850k with Tomahawk motherboards.

You'll notice ram with the 5600x, thinking this will give me the extra performance on 5600x to help it compete better with Intel vs the 3000 CL15 kit I have.

I also need a new CPU cooler plate for mounting my existing EK velocity Waterblock (custom water cooling setup with 2x 360mm rads I planned for this upgrade).

 

Option 1: I have this all on order, but debating if I should cancel and stick with intel here - as all I do is game but this build better play AAA's in 2024 @1440p without stutter. My 4c4t CPU is not cutting it.

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor $299.99 @ Walmart
Motherboard MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard $179.99 @ Amazon
Memory Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory $74.99 @ B&H
Custom EK-Quantum Velocity D-RGB Mounting Plate - AMD Black $19.99
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total $574.96
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-12-29 21:20 EST-0500  

 

Option 2: I'm heavily leaning this way.

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i7-10700KF 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor $329.99 @ B&H
Motherboard MSI MAG Z490 TOMAHAWK ATX LGA1200 Motherboard $189.99 @ Amazon
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total $519.98
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-12-29 21:15 EST-0500  

Option 3: probably more cores than I need and yes I 'm conveniently excluding PSU upgrade when I get the 3080.

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i9-10850K 3.6 GHz 10-Core Processor $399.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard MSI MAG Z490 TOMAHAWK ATX LGA1200 Motherboard $189.99 @ Amazon
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total $589.98
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-12-29 21:15 EST-0500  

 

Option 4: Out of left field, get base i5 for now then upgrade to Rocket Lake i5 or i7 k CPU.

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i5-10400 2.9 GHz 6-Core Processor $159.00 @ B&H
Motherboard MSI MAG Z490 TOMAHAWK ATX LGA1200 Motherboard $189.99 @ Amazon
Custom EK-Quantum Velocity D-RGB Mounting Plate - AMD Black $19.99
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total $368.98
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-12-29 21:34 EST-0500  

 

 

Current System and yes I plan on upgrading the 3060ti to 3080 but it was all I could get my hands on (replaced GTX1070).

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i5-7600K 3.8 GHz Quad-Core Processor $319.72 @ Amazon
Motherboard Asus TUF Z270 MARK 2 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $480.99 @ Amazon
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 CL15 Memory $82.99 @ Newegg
Storage Western Digital SN750 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $59.99 @ Amazon
Storage Western Digital Blue SN550 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $104.99 @ Lenovo
Storage Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $57.98 @ Newegg
Video Card NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB Founders Edition Video Card  
Case Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic ATX Full Tower Case  
Power Supply SeaSonic G 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  
Operating System Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit $139.88 @ Other World Computing
Monitor Dell S3220DGF 31.5" 2560x1440 165 Hz Monitor $449.99 @ Best Buy
Keyboard Corsair STRAFE Wired Gaming Keyboard  
Mouse Corsair M65 PRO RGB FPS Wired Optical Mouse $59.99 @ Corsair
Headphones Audio-Technica ATH-AD700X Headphones $119.99 @ Amazon
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total $1876.51
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-12-29 21:10 EST-0500  

 

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AMD > Intel

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If this was me, I'd go for the i9-10850K route (wow that's a mouthful), but unless you really need the cores and the threads of the i9, I'd just go for the i7 route. Considering your current setup, it'd likely be a bit of a smoother integration into your current setup otherwise.

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If you want your cpu to last a gpu upgrade or two you'll definitely want amd for pcie gen4 support. Intel rocketlake will have it, but you'll have to wait 1-3 months

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5600x or wait for rocket lake, zen 3 single core is 15-20% faster than comet lake due to how they boost, you can max oc a 10700k/10850k and still be slower than a stock 5600x, there's a reason they are on sale despite amd's supply issues.

 

I saw the 10850k for 399 yesterday too and first thought was a decent deal, but what if rocket lake is 2 months away and the i7 is 400usd (likely)

5950x 1.33v 5.05 4.5 88C 195w ll R20 12k ll drp4 ll x570 dark hero ll gskill 4x8gb 3666 14-14-14-32-320-24-2T (zen trfc)  1.45v 45C 1.15v soc ll 6950xt gaming x trio 325w 60C ll samsung 970 500gb nvme os ll sandisk 4tb ssd ll 6x nf12/14 ippc fans ll tt gt10 case ll evga g2 1300w ll w10 pro ll 34GN850B ll AW3423DW

 

9900k 1.36v 5.1avx 4.9ring 85C 195w (daily) 1.02v 4.3ghz 80w 50C R20 temps score=5500 ll D15 ll Z390 taichi ult 1.60 bios ll gskill 4x8gb 14-14-14-30-280-20 ddr3666bdie 1.45v 45C 1.22sa/1.18 io  ll EVGA 30 non90 tie ftw3 1920//10000 0.85v 300w 71C ll  6x nf14 ippc 2000rpm ll 500gb nvme 970 evo ll l sandisk 4tb sata ssd +4tb exssd backup ll 2x 500gb samsung 970 evo raid 0 llCorsair graphite 780T ll EVGA P2 1200w ll w10p ll NEC PA241w ll pa32ucg-k

 

prebuilt 5800 stock ll 2x8gb ddr4 cl17 3466 ll oem 3080 0.85v 1890//10000 290w 74C ll 27gl850b ll pa272w ll w11

 

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I'd suggest going the route @handymanshandle provided. It's a rocking choice to pick from and if I wanted a system now, that is the one I'd go for. 

5 minutes ago, Fungal said:

If you want your cpu to last a gpu upgrade or two you'll definitely want amd for pcie gen4 support. Intel rocketlake will have it, but you'll have to wait 1-3 months

We're not really reaching the full bandwidth of PCIe 3.0x16 with newly released graphics cards. At this pace of technological improvements, I don't really see us getting to that point until 2024/2025 if and only if we are able to get a HUGE performance leap in GPU technology. 

 

Intel's Rocketlake should be coming out at the end of Q1 2021, so March 2021. 

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30 minutes ago, CommanderAlex said:

We're not really reaching the full bandwidth of PCIe 3.0x16 with newly released graphics cards. At this pace of technological improvements, I don't really see us getting to that point until 2024/2025 if and only if we are able to get a HUGE performance leap in GPU technology. 

 

There is already a minor performance difference today but in a couple years the difference will increase. We were on pcie gen 3 for like 8 years, so not buying a pcie gen 4 motherboard is just not smart. You'll likely be bottlenecked by having pcie 3.0 before being bottlenecked by the actual cpu. Also gen 4 storage could make a big difference when direct storage is a thing.

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Thanks for all the feedback so far!

I was happy with my 5600x choice originally then came across this YouTube from TechDeals which got me thinking in context of the review from hardware unboxed: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Review: 6-Core Gaming Beast (techspot.com).

 

TechDeals rambles on a bit, but essentially you have games now days getting close to topping out the performance of todays 6 core parts (remember when 4c was all you needed?). I know games don't care for thread or core count, but merely the performance from all combined, and Cinebench seems to be a very good indicator of this.

 

So if you consider a *future* game that can fully load 5600x like Cinebench does, you'll get a bit more performance from something like an i7, i9 or r7 - I'd opt for 5800x but it's just overpriced.

I hope that made sense:

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If you're primarily gaming I would go with the 5600x. I can't see only having 6 cores be an issue anytime soon for the majority of games. This way you have pcie 4 if direct storage becomes a thing anytime soon and you're suckin down less power.

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If your happy with the RAM with the intel systems why hobble the cost of the Ryzen system with a RAM upgrade?

 

It'll work fine, and some manual tuning of the timings can probably see it up to at least 3200, which is fine. It'd be different if it were a 2400 kit.

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I've been thinking about it some more, and I'll stay with 5600x. At least this way I have CPU upgrade options for more cores if i second guess myself and I'll be on PCIe gen 4.

It has also been a while since i bought AMD, think Athlon 64 x2 days :).

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14 minutes ago, Nakedpeanut said:

I've been thinking about it some more, and I'll stay with 5600x. At least this way I have CPU upgrade options for more cores if i second guess myself and I'll be on PCIe gen 4.

It has also been a while since i bought AMD, think Athlon 64 x2 days :).

honestly i like geekbench more for these benchmarks for gaming/single core performance, a comet lake cpu on absolute max oc will get 1550 single core, i've seen a buncha 1750s and 1800+ with zen 3, rocket lake is rumored to be 20% faster than comet lake at stock, intel's REALLY squeezing that last bit.

5950x 1.33v 5.05 4.5 88C 195w ll R20 12k ll drp4 ll x570 dark hero ll gskill 4x8gb 3666 14-14-14-32-320-24-2T (zen trfc)  1.45v 45C 1.15v soc ll 6950xt gaming x trio 325w 60C ll samsung 970 500gb nvme os ll sandisk 4tb ssd ll 6x nf12/14 ippc fans ll tt gt10 case ll evga g2 1300w ll w10 pro ll 34GN850B ll AW3423DW

 

9900k 1.36v 5.1avx 4.9ring 85C 195w (daily) 1.02v 4.3ghz 80w 50C R20 temps score=5500 ll D15 ll Z390 taichi ult 1.60 bios ll gskill 4x8gb 14-14-14-30-280-20 ddr3666bdie 1.45v 45C 1.22sa/1.18 io  ll EVGA 30 non90 tie ftw3 1920//10000 0.85v 300w 71C ll  6x nf14 ippc 2000rpm ll 500gb nvme 970 evo ll l sandisk 4tb sata ssd +4tb exssd backup ll 2x 500gb samsung 970 evo raid 0 llCorsair graphite 780T ll EVGA P2 1200w ll w10p ll NEC PA241w ll pa32ucg-k

 

prebuilt 5800 stock ll 2x8gb ddr4 cl17 3466 ll oem 3080 0.85v 1890//10000 290w 74C ll 27gl850b ll pa272w ll w11

 

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So final update:

B&H finally shipped the 5600x (ordered 22nd)!! 🙌 

I decided to ditch the ram upgrade and found an Open Box Asus STRIX B550-E for $199 on their site so picked it up over the Tomahawk. 

Easy decision for $20-> bios flashback button, error codes and wifi 6. 

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