Should CloudFlare drop support for 4Chan

[Jdurbs]

4Chan is an okay idea, poorly executed, that draws some of the worst people imaginable and a powerful tool for ultra conservatives to indoctrinate people. The reason I mention this is because one of the groups these people go after is the LGBT+ community. This year it is taking the form of people dox-ing, spamming hate mail, and other acts with obviously malcontent.

 

If you remember, last year 8Chan lost support from CloudFlare because of the El Paso shooting. My main question is, will CloudFlare drop support for 4Chan BEFORE people are killed. If not how is CloudFlare the service not at the very least complacent in the surge in hate crimes.

 

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/05/26/4chan-alt-right-operation-pridefall-pride-month-cyber-attack-starbucks-amazon-homophobia/

[Dabombinable]

4 minutes ago, Jdurbs said:

4Chan is an okay idea, poorly executed, that draws some of the worst people imaginable and a powerful tool for ultra conservatives to indoctrinate people. The reason I mention this is because one of the groups these people go after is the LGBT+ community. This year it is taking the form of people dox-ing, spamming hate mail, and other acts with obviously malcontent.

 

If you remember, last year 8Chan lost support from CloudFlare because of the El Paso shooting. My main question is, will CloudFlare drop support for 4Chan BEFORE people are killed. If not how is CloudFlare the service not at the very least complacent in the surge in hate crimes.

 

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/05/26/4chan-alt-right-operation-pridefall-pride-month-cyber-attack-starbucks-amazon-homophobia/

That'd just encourage 4chan even more. Remember most of the "hate" is there just to purely stir shit up (aka troll). And if doxing and spamming hate mail are a reason, then a whole host of other websites against 4chan would also lose protection.

[RobinD]

CloudFlare is no more compaceant then the domain registrar or the nameserver.

If anything CloudFlare prevents what is an illegal act in almost all countries (cyber attacks), it could be argued that CloudFlare  whereever it is used always prevents crime, it does not create, monitor or manage the service sitting behind it.

It would be like punishing a antivirus company for keeping virus's off the server that hosts these sites.  

IMO its illogical. 

 

[SansVarnic]

-= Moved to General Discussion =-

Topic does not meet the Posting Guidelines nor does meet the requirement as Tech News.

Yeah it talks about 4chan but its a website not technology advancement.

 

 

Edited May 29, 2020 by SansVarnic

[Arika]

yes, lets try and censor the internet, that's always the best idea....

 

 

Twitter is an okay idea, poorly executed, that draws some of the worst people imaginable and a powerful tool for ultra Liberals to indoctrinate people

[SansVarnic]

41 minutes ago, Jdurbs said:

If not how is CloudFlare the service not at the very least complacent in the surge in hate crimes.

Kind of an inflammatory comment don't you think? How would CloudFlare, a private company, choosing to either host or not host a site by their right of ownership and decision be a cause for this? I neither see the correlation or the subsequent result of this type of decision. 4Chan can simply be hosted somewhere else, simple, simple. I see more finger pointing and scapegoating here.

Edited May 29, 2020 by SansVarnic

[duncannah]

It's more tightly moderated than 8ch, with users not having the option to create their boards, so I don't see it losing support from Cloudflare, especially given it took multiple mass shootings for them to drop 8ch, I can see 4chan management being extra careful after these events too.

 

Even then, I don't understand comparing 4chan to mainstream social media sites, as they specifically have rules against harassment and whatnot

[LAwLz]

5 hours ago, Jdurbs said:

The reason I mention this is because one of the groups these people go after is the LGBT+ community.

Ehm, what?

I've been browsing 4chan for ages (don't do it as much anymore) and let me tell you one thing, LGBTQ+ is not one of the groups they go after any more or less than any other group. In fact, I'd say homosexuals is one of the most welcomed group of people there, with lots and lots of threads about it being positive in general. A lot of it is in a meme'ish way like "traps aren't gay" but overall it's very inclusive.

I just opened /b/ and the second thread I see is this (censored some stuff):

 

In 1 hour that thread has over 20 comments from people talking about how they haven't publicly announced that they are gay. How they are sexually frustrated because they can't find other gay people to hook up with. People are giving tips, encouraging others to share their experiences and so on.

 

Another one of the first threads that came up when I just opened /b/ was "trap trans femboy thread" where people share pictures of trans people they find attractive.

 

Then on the second page there was a thread about shemale or trans girls (mostly just posting pictures of attractive MtF trans people).

 

In another thread the OP was against abortions and most of the replies are for abortion and against OP.

 

 

I seriously wonder if people who complain about 4chan has ever even visited the site...

 

 

 

 

5 hours ago, Jdurbs said:

This year it is taking the form of people dox-ing, spamming hate mail, and other acts with obviously malcontent.

That has always been the case, but that happens on pretty much any large site. It happens on Twitter (especially on Twitter). It happens on Reddit. It happens on Facebook. It happens on Youtube. Etc, etc. We shouldn't encourage shutting sites down just because some users (a minority of users I might add) use a site with malicious intentions. If we used that logic then pretty much no site would exist.

 

 

5 hours ago, Jdurbs said:

If you remember, last year 8Chan lost support from CloudFlare because of the El Paso shooting. My main question is, will CloudFlare drop support for 4Chan BEFORE people are killed. If not how is CloudFlare the service not at the very least complacent in the surge in hate crimes.

People have already been killed because of 4chan (if the rumors are true). But the same can be said about Twitter, and Youtube, and Reddit, and so on.

 

 

5 hours ago, Jdurbs said:

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/05/26/4chan-alt-right-operation-pridefall-pride-month-cyber-attack-starbucks-amazon-homophobia/

I don't think that reporter knows how 4chan works.

Hell, some of the screenshots about the "4chan users' plan" are from Discord. By the same logic, Discord should be shut down because it seems like it's actually there the planning takes place.

[Arika]

So i guess you would also support the ban on Video Games? Because the El Paso shooter mentioned that he "trained" in call of duty before the shooting in his manifesto. if you're attributing blame to 8chan/4chan being the reason these things happen, then you must also agree that Video Games also cause violence, right? you're not picking and choosing, right?

[Ashleyyyy]

5 hours ago, Dabombinable said:

That'd just encourage 4chan even more. Remember most of the "hate" is there just to purely stir shit up (aka troll). 

what they are about to do now goes further than trolling. if they dox LGBTQ+ people in countries where being LGBTQ+ is illegal they could actually make people be imprisoned or worse. 

[blu4]

I always say people talk on 4chan about like going after a goup or person etc.. but when I go on to see I can never find stuff like that, Just the porn and gore and shit.

Is there just a board just for stuff like that or what? I never see it I just hear oh 4chan did it.

[LAwLz]

1 hour ago, Ashley said:

what they are about to do now goes further than trolling. if they dox LGBTQ+ people in countries where being LGBTQ+ is illegal they could actually make people be imprisoned or worse. 

Yep, if they were to do that then things could turn bad. Luckily for everyone, nobody is talking about doxxing anyone.

In fact, neither the article OP linked nor the 4chan threads (from what I can tell, judging by the screenshots Samantha posted on Twitter) even mentions doxxing.

The only one who has mentioned anything about doxxing is the OP.

[Ashleyyyy]

1 minute ago, LAwLz said:

Yep, if they were to do that then things could turn bad. Luckily for everyone, nobody is talking about doxxing anyone.

In fact, neither the article OP linked nor the 4chan threads (from what I can tell, judging by the screenshots Samantha posted on Twitter) even mentions doxxing.

The only one who has mentioned anything about doxxing is the OP.

sometimes the term outing is used, which is effectively the same thing and has the same outcome. 

[LAwLz]

2 hours ago, Ashley said:

sometimes the term outing is used, which is effectively the same thing and has the same outcome. 

And the term "outing" is not used in the article or the screenshot from the thread either.

 

What some people on 4chan are planning to do seems shitty, but let's not lie about what their plans are. There is no evidence that they are planning to doxx and out people, much less target people in countries where it is illegal. That entire idea seems to be completely fabricated.

[Ashleyyyy]

3 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

And the term "outing" is not used in the article or the screenshot from the thread either.

 

What some people on 4chan are planning to do seems shitty, but let's not lie about what their plans are. There is no evidence that they are planning to doxx and out people, much less target people in countries where it is illegal. That entire idea seems to be completely fabricated.

explain to me then why i've seen numerous posts in very large LGBTQ+ discord servers about this? warning people about it and stuff?

[Dabombinable]

5 hours ago, Ashley said:

explain to me then why i've seen numerous posts in very large LGBTQ+ discord servers about this? warning people about it and stuff?

People either over reacting or trying to get people angry and exploit mob mentality.

[LAwLz]

On 5/29/2020 at 5:25 PM, Ashley said:

explain to me then why i've seen numerous posts in very large LGBTQ+ discord servers about this? warning people about it and stuff?

Because of people like OP who try to convince people to grab pitchforks and join their side by exaggerating things? 

Then people belive it without looking into it themselves which leads to more people parroting it. 

Like I said, the posts are screenshotted in the article OP posted. You can see for yourself what 4chan's plans are. None of them involves doxxing from what I've read. That seems to be a lie to exxagerate things in an attempt to make you and others joins their cause in attacking 4chan. 

[mr moose]

It's the internet, everyone is correct.  4chan/facebook/reddit is a problem and not a problem at the same time.    Because humans are villainous scum just under the surface anything that can be used for evil will be.

[LogicalDrm]

Cloudflare is paid service. Dropping support means that whoever is hosting 4Chan, their money is no good for CF, and they have to look for another DDoS protection. Its even less impressive than losing some CC companies or other payment providers.

[Roswell]

If it was the same site it was 15 years ago, sure, nobody would touch them with a 10 foot poll. These days though it's extremely tame in comparison to then.