Star Wars IX

[Ze_Baldachim]

This is going to be a bit of a weird one, but what do you think about the newest Star Wars? (Rise of Skywalker). In my opinion it was total garbage and I was waiting for it to end, but I've seen mixed opnions in the web, so I wanted to see what everyone here thinks about it.

 

My longer, spoiler-full opinion:

The special effects and visual aspects were decent, but the plot was rubbish. First of all, how did they bring Sheev back after he got electrocuted, fell at least a couple hundred metres and then blew up twice? If he's a clone then why couldn't he be a normal human not a weird puppet? To me, the thimg that Kylo and Rey (and of course REYLO at the end) are these "force twins" or whatever is just stupid. The scene with the aligning the knife on the death star was possibly the most idiotic thing I've ever seen. One last thing: how did Rey learn force healing?!! There are lot's more of these. I hope this wasn't too negative.

[Spotty]

I thought that 7-9 were trash. Maybe not I don't like sand trash, but definitely trash.

 

Episode 8 was in my opinion the worst. There's a huge slowdown in the middle of the movie where ex storm trooper and asian girl (sorry, I didn't bother learning their names) go to that Casino planet and there's a whole lot of bullshit and camel riding that serves absolutely no purpose and quite frankly the whole scene and action that takes place there is just bad. You could cut that entire plot line out of the movie and it would not have made a single difference to the greater events that took place. It's just a waste of time trying to develop characters that no-one cares about (I can't even remember their names and I just watched all 3 movies in the last 2 weeks!)

 

Plus the whole plot around the ships running out of fuel and the enemy ships chasing them but not being able to catch up to them was, aside from being massively stupid, simply not interesting. It was boring.

 

41 minutes ago, Ze_Baldachim said:

One last thing: how did Rey learn force healing?!!

The same way Rey learned everything else about the force. Through lazy writing.

 

41 minutes ago, Ze_Baldachim said:

The scene with the aligning the knife on the death star was possibly the most idiotic thing I've ever seen.

If that bugs you then think about how they found the knife in the first place.
They were riding around in a massive desert on speeders being chased by stormtroopers. They get blown up by the stormtroopers. By luck, in the massive expanse of this desert, they happen to all fall in to a sand pit. That sand pit happens to fall in. They happen to get stuck in an underground cave. C3PO just happens to spot a BURRIED knife as soon as they walk in to the cave and picks it up and shows it to everyone somehow knowing that it is critical to the plot.

The amount of bullshit that had to happen for them to even get the knife in the first place is just stupid.

 

Then there's the whole "Oh no if we do this C3PO will lose all of his memories" and then 3 seconds later it's like "Oh wait nevermind it's okay we have a backup of all his memories". There's no risk or consequence to their actions so it doesn't hold any meaning.

 

Also what's with the effort of making the knife to show the location of the Sith homing beacon anyway, but doing it in such a cryptic way that it's not meant to be dsicovered as if it's a great secret passed down for centuries?... Is it really that much of a secret and surprise to anyone that the last known Sith master would be in possession of one of the sith GPS thingies? If I was looking for one of those the death star that he died on would be the first place I'd think to look, or at least I would expect there might be clues there that could lead to finding it.

[Andreas Lilja]

If 7-9 were the only Star Wars flicks, I would utterly dislike the lore.

[kelvinhall05]

I don't give a shit about the "story" or whatever and think the Star Wars fanbase is probably the worst film/franchise fan base I've ever heard of by far.

 

 

 

I have enjoyed all the latest movies. Fun to watch, good special effects. I like them.

[Teddy07]

I like Star Wars but I boycott it since episode 7. I am not supporting franchises that suddenly insert and push political propaganda. I am now at a point where I simply don´t care anymore about the franchise.

[dalekphalm]

I enjoyed it. Definitely not among the best Star Wars movies, but it’s still better than AOTC. 
 

There are for sure problems with it. But Palps

being a clone isn’t one of them. That was the original storyline in the EU (Legends, now). Palpatine transferred his consciousness to the clone body as he fell down the shaft. The body that exploded at the bottom was an empty shell by that point. 
 

The reasoning as to why he looks so decrepit  is explained as his cloned body being flawed, and unable to contain his massive power. This was essentially the same plot as Dark Empire, so I can give it a pass. 
 

What pissed me off the most was the Xystin class destroyer, which was an Imp-1 literally scaled up 4x, windows and all. 
 

That and the galaxy fleet was so hodge podge. 
 

And the fact that we were promised a massive fleet battle and got a mess. Give me ROTJ or ROTS style fleet battles that let you see the battle. 
 

On the other hand, Rogue One is one of the best Star Wars movies ever made, and the Battle of Scarif IS the best space battle ever committed to Star Wars content. 

[Sauron]

On 5/20/2020 at 9:20 AM, Ze_Baldachim said:

First of all, how did they bring Sheev back after he got electrocuted, fell at least a couple hundred metres and then blew up twice?

If we want to go there, that's hardly the least realistic resurrection a character has had in Star Wars... for reference, Boba Fett canonically survived being eaten by the Sarlacc and Darth Maul canonically survived being sliced in half on screen. The whole character of Grievous in the prequels was basically 100g of charred meat in a metal exoskeleton. It really doesn't matter to me if there is a good reason to do it. What I didn't like about the Emperor being back wasn't that he was back but rather that we only got to know that in the title scroll (or in fortnite of all things... jeez).

 

Other than that, the biggest problem IX has in my opinion is that they made Rey a descendant of Palpatine - my favorite part in TLJ was precisely the idea that she didn't need to be some other character's descendant to make a difference. Take that away and almost everything else was thoroughly enjoyable for me. It was a less reflective movie than TLJ but I feel like it was pretty good for what it was trying to do.

45 minutes ago, Teddy07 said:

I like Star Wars but I boycott it since episode 7. I am not supporting franchises that suddenly insert and push political propaganda.

I got news for you - all media is at least somewhat political, and Star Wars has always been blatantly political. Even if you missed the really on-the-nose space nazis vibe the Empire had in the original trilogy, surely you can't have missed the entire prequel trilogy which was more about politics than it was about the main characters...

 

I defy you to find anything in the sequel trilogy that is more explicitly political than a direct allegory for Hitler's rise to power. Also, I defy you to give me a good reason why having politics in a movie is a problem.

On 5/20/2020 at 9:20 AM, Ze_Baldachim said:

how did Rey learn force healing?!!

I'm pretty sure Leia taught her? In case I don't remember that correctly, how did Luke learn anything after he left Yoda?

 

SW aside, people can and do learn things on their own sometimes... it's usually harder than with a teacher but it's certainly possible, especially if you have had some training.

On 5/20/2020 at 10:02 AM, Spotty said:

Also what's with the effort of making the knife to show the location of the Sith homing beacon anyway, but doing it in such a cryptic way that it's not meant to be dsicovered as if it's a great secret passed down for centuries?

Yeah, that was pretty conceited... they could definitely have found a better way to lead them there.

34 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

The reasoning as to why he looks so decrepit  is explained as his cloned body being flawed, and unable to contain his massive power.

Admittedly if you didn't read Dark Empire that may not have come across

[Techstorm970]

I have an unpopular opinion:  The entire sequel trilogy was good or at least better than the Prequel trilogy.

 

Obligatory spoiler warning...

I mean, yeah, the Episode 7 plot is basically a well-executed copy of Episode 4 (Episode 1 was a not-as-well executed copy), and Episode 8 struggles with rewatchability (wasn't as good the second time I watched it).  I'd say Episode 8 is the worst sequel because it doesn't have that rewatchability, but holy shit!  Episode 2 was a LOT worse.  Episode 8 was off-and-on cool.  Episode 2 was borderline garbage until the Battle of Geonosis kept people from walking out and then Yoda saved the movie's ass.

 

Disney's handling of "wHaT iS cAnOn?" has been pitiful.  I agree with that.

 

Episode 9 was really cool, I thought.  They ruined Princess Leia for me, though.  "So you're saying that she had incredible Jedi powers this whole time and CHOSE not to use them, even during a crisis?!  My God..."

 

I thought Episode 9 was the strongest one of the sequels.

 

As far as Star Wars goes as a whole, Episode 5 is unbeatable.  The bottom three are Episode 8 (the whole Finn x *the Asian girl* love story thing was filler, especially since they did nothing with it in Episode 9), then Solo (Donald Glover as Lando saved the movie), and last place goes to Episode 2 (Yoda vs Dooku saved the movie).

 

Episode 5, Rogue One, and Episode 6 are the best ones.  The Darth Vader scene near the end of Rogue One was GLORIOUS!!!

 

The rest are somewhere in the middle.  The best prequel was Episode 3 by far.  Episode 2 would've been a lot better if they hadn't killed off Darth Maul in Episode 1.  (Yeah, technically he wasn't dead, just a no-show, but still...)

[Guest]

7 was nice. Loved it.

 

8 was awful, even though I love Star Wars, I’ve never wanted to rewatch 8. 

 

9 was really good but still held back by 8, I really enjoyed palpating coming back, would have been nice to see Vader (seeing as we’re bringing people back regardless of plot )

 

 

[Spotty]

1 minute ago, Sauron said:

I'm pretty sure Leia taught her? In case I don't remember that correctly, how did Luke learn anything after he left Yoda?

It's shown in the movies that he started a jedi academy and was training students before Kylo turned dark and it burned down. It's not really covered in the movies, but in games, books, etc I think after the events of episode 6 he went off in search of old Jedi artefacts and books, started up his own academy, sought out pupils, trained them while mastering his own skills, etc. That would be where he learned a lot of the stuff from. Also in books/etc there's a bunch of different stories that he's involved in in between the events of 6 and 7. That makes sense at least since it was like 25+ years so of course he's going to improve off screen during that time.

 

5 minutes ago, Sauron said:

What I didn't like about the Emperor being back wasn't that he was back but rather that we only got to know that in the title scroll

I actually managed to avoid spoilers until I watched it when it came out on bluray, and as soon as the text started scrolling I paused it and was like "Wait... What?" I thought I had got the wrong movie and that I must have missed one.

They did not do a good job explaining what was happening with Palpatine.

 

7 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Other than that, the biggest problem IX has in my opinion is that they made Rey a descendant of Palpatine - my favorite part in TLJ was precisely the idea that she didn't need to be some other character's descendant to make a difference.

I think the only reason that parent plot line was in all 3 movies is they wanted a "I am your father" moment in the series and that's the best they could come up with.

[Sauron]

15 minutes ago, Spotty said:

It's shown in the movies that he started a jedi academy and was training students before Kylo turned dark and it burned down.

I was referring to the time between episode 5 and episode 6. Luke goes from not being even remotely a match for Vader to beating him convincingly - even though it is shown that he never returned to Yoda to complete his training with him and he only goes back for a final goodbye.

17 minutes ago, Spotty said:

I think the only reason that parent plot line was in all 3 movies is they wanted a "I am your father" moment in the series and that's the best they could come up with.

I think the breakdown some very loud people had after TLJ had more of an influence on that.

[Spotty]

Just now, Sauron said:

I was referring to the time between episode 5 and episode 6. Luke goes from not being even remotely a match for Vader to beating him convincingly - even though it is shown that he never returned to Yoda to complete his training with him and he only goes back for a final goodbye.

Ah right. He doesn't really learn any new abilities after leaving Yoda though does he? He just improves on what he was already learning.

Rey on the other hand seems to pull new abilities out of her ass whenever it suits the plot. For example when she mind controls Daniel Craig to get out of the restraints despite having zero training and if I remember correctly at that point in the movie she didn't even know she was force sensitive?

 

Though I just looked up some lore and Rey and Ren's force connection where they could skype each other meant that they actually shared a connection to the force. They had different bodies and minds but their connection to the force was one. Through this connection Rey learned Ren's abilities. That's how after she was interrogated she was magically able to use force abilities.

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A dyad in the Force was a phenomenon that occurred when two Force-sensitive beings shared a unique Force-bond with each other, connecting their minds across space and time.^[1] Physically, they were two separate individuals, but in the Force they were one.^[2] This form of connection made it possible for the bonded individuals to communicate with each other across great distances.^[3]
 

[...]
 

As a side effect of their bond, Rey assimilated some of Ren's Force knowledge and Jedi training during the probe.^[5] Her latent Force powers manifested at an exponential rate, allowing her to utilize a few techniques such as mind trick and telekinesis.^[7]

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Dyad_in_the_Force

 

But unless I missed it that really isn't explained in the movies at all.

 

Basically Kylo Ren was the one in the group project who did all the work and Rey did nothing and still got an A...

 

2 minutes ago, Sauron said:

I think the breakdown some very loud people had after TLJ had more of an influence on that.

... ???
I must've missed whatever that was. I don't really keep up with star wars that much. I didn't see Episode 8 until like a year or two after it came out.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

1 hour ago, Techstorm970 said:

I have an unpopular opinion:  The entire sequel trilogy was good or at least better than the Prequel trilogy.

Is it unpopular? I know there's a lot of hate for the latest movies, but to me the best prequel movie can't hold a candle to the worst sequel movie... I have no clue about the "general sentiment", though, so maybe there's people out there actually finding value in episodes I-III  

 

 

Going to OP's questions: I think... meh  Overall I'd say I didn't like, but there were ups and downs. It was more plagued by a sense of wasted opportunity than any of the previous 5 movies (I won't even pretend the other 3 exist). Both in terms of the general story but also in terms of things that were hinted at in the movie itself. I got this feeling while watching the movie (which is different from coming up with ideas after watching it and thinking about it for a while), that even keeping the overall script there was low-hanging fruit left untouched, simple enhancements, build-ups for moments that never came, etc. Palpatine's return was a cool concept poorly brought to life. Overall, I think episodes VII-IX suffered from not having a full script, or at least the core storyline, outlined right at the start, before starting with Ep. VII. Which is unforgivable because, unlike the original trilogy, there was no question that 3 movies were going to be made, each of them making tons of money, so there was no reason to postpone planning. That would have allowed for better planting the seeds of what should happen in the last movie throughout the other 2. Being the final one, Ep. IX was the most heavily affected by this lack of global vision.

All in all, I would have to watch it again to settle down on an overall impression, but at the time of watching it I leaned on the negative side, and a let down coming from Episode VIII.

 

Want an unpopular opinion? Episode VIII is among the best in the franchise. Is it flawed? Oh boy yes it is flawed. Then again: this is Star Wars, it's not like being flawed disqualifies you from being the best  As a kid I got excited about SW to the point of losing sleep over it, sure (I also liked Conan the Barbarian - not to SW levels, but liked it nonetheless ), but I'm not a kid anymore and I see thing and demand things for something to be "good" that I wouldn't care about as a kid. As an adult, I enjoyed these movies a little less than I would have enjoyed the original trilogy if watching it as an adult for the first time. I think as a kid I would have liked these about the same, but can't really tell.

As for the infamous three... I think I would have fallen asleep at any age  

 

[SpaceGhostC2C]

5 hours ago, Spotty said:

Ah right. He doesn't really learn any new abilities after leaving Yoda though does he? He just improves on what he was already learning.

Learning behind the scenes is present throughout SW. In fact, there are multiple hints at untrained people "strong with the force" using it without realizing it.

At the end of Ep. IV, Luke tells how he hunts some animal in Tatooine and compares it to what a Rebel pilot just said "it's impossible". He then carries out the deed, but only when using the force instead of his pilot skills.

At the beginning of Ep. V, Luke remote-grabs his saber while hanging at the Yeti's cave. Before that, he only trained a little bit with Obi Wan at the Millennium Falcon. That blind-helmet saber fight is all the training we watch him do. This also points to people "strong with the force" doing things they don't normally do in times of need, without necessarily being able to reproduce it on purpose. Which matches Rey's own first saber grab, or her later "ray attack" on a space ship.

In Ep. IV, Obi Wan uses the "Jedi mind control" at Tatooine. In Ep. VI, Luke uses this trick left and right. When and how he learned this in particular is unknown; we actually get the impression that training, and self-teaching based on what he got from his masters, just make him "level up" overall and therefore do more and do better.

 

While both Luke and Rey have explicit, on-screen training at some point in their story, I'd say implicit, behind the scene skill development is the norm, rather than the exception, in Star Wars' saga.

 

[Techstorm970]

Just now, SpaceGhostC2C said:

Is it unpopular? I know there's a lot of hate for the latest movies, but to me the best prequel movie can't hold a candle to the worst sequel movie... I have no clue about the "general sentiment", though, so maybe there's people out there actually finding value in episodes I-III

I'm basing it on Reddit and YouTube comments.  Probably not the best representation, but a large enough sample size to lead me to believe that it's unpopular.

 

Just now, SpaceGhostC2C said:

Want an unpopular opinion? Episode VIII is among the best in the franchise.

That's what I thought, too, until I watched it a second time, that is.  There was some good stuff in there.

 

Luke Skywalker went out in a blaze of beautiful, symbolic glory.  Very well done!

Kylo Ren got some of the character development he needed.

Rey got some actual fricking on-screen training.

BB-8 taking over the AT-ST was fun, albeit a near-copy of Chewie doing the same thing on Endor.

No, the silver stormtrooper lady did not deserve more.  She had to be caught by surprise to be defeated, and was never a central character.

[JustAnotherOverClocker]

3 hours ago, Teddy07 said:

I like Star Wars but I boycott it since episode 7. I am not supporting franchises that suddenly insert and push political propaganda. I am now at a point where I simply don´t care anymore about the franchise.

I am curious about what you think about the obviously non-political prequels, or the clone wars animated series?

[TempestCatto]

I've never seen a single Star War. Since it's been so long, I take pride in that now and refuse to watch any. It's super fun to tell people that. I'd like it for sure if I watch any of it. But I gotta streak to keep up with.

[JustAnotherOverClocker]

Episode 7, on it's own, is an ok movie

 

Episode 8 and 9 are trash.

 

One of the main criticisms with episode 9 like force healing doesn't actually bother me for the reason that is already existed in Star Wars, and that it was poorly introduced and explained in the sequels rather than being a creation of bad writing.

 

In the Darth Plagueis copypasta, you may remember that it's about saving someone's life using the force.

 

Also, there have been theories that rather than Padme dying from bad writing or "sadness", that palpatine used force healing to heal Anakin/Darth Vader at the expense of her life. keep in mind Palpatine was Plagueis's apprentice, so it would make sense that he would know how to do such a thing.

[Sauron]

22 minutes ago, Spotty said:

He doesn't really learn any new abilities after leaving Yoda though does he?

I don't remember him using the mind trick before 6, yet he conveniently can use it when he needs it to enter Jabba's palace.

 

And I don't mind that - the point is that it doesn't really matter how they got the abilities. In 9 it was at least adequately set up for the ending and in 6 the mind trick was already known to the audience. There's an argument for the introduction of the Force itself in episode 4 being the same as Rey's healing abilities - after all it's magical powers that are introduced for the first time in that movie and are crucial to the resolution of the conflict (Luke destroying the Death Star while aiming with the Force). If you look too closely at the canon, 90% of Star Wars is contradictory or doesn't make sense but I never thought that was a problem - there are instances where that makes the story worse, which can be addressed with better writing, but other than that part of the magic is that not everything is explained.

 

I feel like there's a pretty clear double standard that critics apply to Rey and not to Luke or Anakin. If you don't like this kind of writing that's fine but I'm not a fan of this lack of consistency - particularly since it only seems to turn up in "the discourse" when the protagonist is a girl.

 

I don't think this is you by any stretch but I've seen people unironically argue that Rey is a Mary Sue just because it's impossible a woman would be such a powerful warrior and therefore every scene where she does something cool is plot armor or an "agenda" to make women look good or something. Which is why I'm suspicious of this sort of argument even if it doesn't explicitly go there.

1 hour ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

Want an unpopular opinion? Episode VIII is among the best in the franchise.

I don't think it's that unpopular, TLJ did well at the box office (it's Star Wars after all ) and outside of internet circlejerks I haven't heard that many people speak ill of it. At worst they found it a bit boring in the middle, which I can understand. I personally did like it a lot despite its flaws (though honestly I don't think it has as many as people seem to think).

[Rohith_Kumar_Sp]

Ep 9 did something impossible, it brought people who love and hate TFA and TLJ to collectively hate EP9, 

also, DO watch this, it's more than the music. 
 

 

[SansVarnic]

As a continuation to the franchise they were bad.

As stand alone movies, they were o.k.

Poor choice of casting for both Kylo and Ren. The actor for Kylo was a very poor choice. Ren in my opinion was given a bad script.

Story line is a complete re-do of the original story, seriously there where so many stories already available from the EU that would have been better to tell. Basically a Disney rip-off, and original continuation would have been better, even though the 9th movie brought about some plot twist to get back in line it fell because of the other 2 movies.

Injecting politics will always be a bad choice to make. Tell the damn story not your political position.

The plots were told to fast, the characters were given very little time to grow and in a lot of ways the story was to busy for any real story development to take place.

I've read all the books after the original trilogy and they are well written and well told, well most of them.

 

So did I like the them?  ... I did and I did not.

This story ark basically disrespects all the time taken to tell the EU which were done under Lucas' approval so all that cannon were a continuation of the creator, not just whimsical additions that separate writers did on their own, there was even some attention made to reference other books even though they were written by different people.

 

Disney failed to do what they used to do best, tell the story the best way that it could be told. Disney failed to take advantage of what they had. If the point was to destroy the largest movie following ever to be had, that was what it appears they tried to do. My question is why, if they wanted money they should have put someone in charge that would have done the job right and told the story and catered to the masses, now the fans are split and the franchise has taken a hit. Core followers will still stay loyal but it will take Disney a rabbit to make this right.

[Spotty]

I agree that there is some progression and training that happens off screen throughout the franchise, and it's actually a good thing they do it that way. No-one wants to sit through a bunch of training scenes, and it's a more entertaining to the audience if they use new abilities and it's a bit of a surprise.

 

I also think there's also 2 types of force powers that we seen used. Latent force abilities like having good instincts and being able to feel things like how Leia feels Luke at the end of Episode V. Then there's also force abilities that are skills that need to be learned. Things like mind trick, healing, lightning, and even something like light sabre duelling would need to be taught (this is something I think the films did right as in episode 7 Rey is sloppy with a light sabre when she fights the injured Kylo Ren).

So to me it makes sense that someone who is force sensitive would have improved instincts and reactions even without training or knowing what the force is. Anakin pod racing and Luke hunting swamp rats kinda makes sense in that regard.

 

6 hours ago, Sauron said:

I don't remember him using the mind trick before 6, yet he conveniently can use it when he needs it to enter Jabba's palace.

6 hours ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

In Ep. IV, Obi Wan uses the "Jedi mind control" at Tatooine. In Ep. VI, Luke uses this trick left and right. When and how he learned this in particular is unknown; we actually get the impression that training, and self-teaching based on what he got from his masters, just make him "level up" overall and therefore do more and do better.

At least there he witnessed Obi Wan use it and Obi Wan explains it to him. They then spent a bit of time travelling together on the millennium falcon where Obi wan is shown to be training Luke on the ship (the helmet laser scene you mentioned). So it's reasonable that Obi Wan, a Jedi Master who has trained students before, could have taught Luke the basics of how to perform the Jedi Mind Trick that he demonstrated earlier on Tatooine, which Luke then went on to develop and improve by episode VI. Episode VI also takes place after his training with Yoda so Yoda could have taught it too him off screen. By the events in Episode VI he's practised it enough off screen to be able to use it properly.

After Luke leaves his training with Yoda on Dagobah, is there a moment where it would have made sense for him to use the mind trick? He goes from Dagobah to Sky City where he meets Darth Vadar, has his hand chopped off, then at the end gets rescued by the millennium falcon. He didn't come in contact with any weak minded people he could use the trick on. So maybe he already knew it by the events of episode V but he just didn't need to use it to overcome the challenges he faced. It wasn't until episode VI where he was rescuing Han from bandits and thugs that he could use the trick to achieve his goals.

 

In the original films Luke doesn't use any abilities until after he meets Obi Wan Kenobi who teaches him about the force. If he gains any abilities between then and when he meets Yoda it might have happened off screen but it's plausible that he learned it from Obi Wan. Anything after that then it's possible he learned it from Yoda even if it wasn't shown in his training. Even though it might not show him learning it there's a plausible explanation for how he would obtain that knowledge and those abilities.

 

 

The issue I had was in episode 7 how Rey just starts using force abilities she's never witnessed being used or even heard about. She uses the jedi mind trick to get out of the chair she's locked in. She's never seen anyone use the jedi mind trick before. (to be clear what Kylo did to her is a different ability called "mind probe", where it lets them read a persons thoughts. It's not the same as the Jedi mind trick she uses to escape). There's no path back to where she could have learned that ability from.

 

Though as I mentioned in my previous that seems to be explained by her connection with Kylo Ren where she inherited his force abilities and training when he tried to interrogate her by reading her mind and they became connected and became the "dyad". Their minds became connected and together they were one with the force. Thourgh the connection she got all of his knowledge of the force and his training. According to the fan wiki's I've read that's how she learned the abilities she's shown to use that aren't otherwise explained.

 

7 hours ago, Spotty said:

Though I just looked up some lore and Rey and Ren's force connection where they could skype each other meant that they actually shared a connection to the force. They had different bodies and minds but their connection to the force was one. Through this connection Rey learned Ren's abilities. That's how after she was interrogated she was magically able to use force abilities.

Quote

A dyad in the Force was a phenomenon that occurred when two Force-sensitive beings shared a unique Force-bond with each other, connecting their minds across space and time.^[1] Physically, they were two separate individuals, but in the Force they were one.^[2] This form of connection made it possible for the bonded individuals to communicate with each other across great distances.^[3]
 

[...]
 

As a side effect of their bond, Rey assimilated some of Ren's Force knowledge and Jedi training during the probe.^[5] Her latent Force powers manifested at an exponential rate, allowing her to utilize a few techniques such as mind trick and telekinesis.^[7]

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Dyad_in_the_Force

 

That wasn't something I knew about until I looked it up on fan wiki's last night when I was reading this thread. When I watched the movies I didn't pick up on that. I think the movie should have done a better job explaining that aspect. Maybe have her remark to the rest of the crew about how she escaped and make a comment about how while he was trying to interrogate her that she was suddenly aware of all these new things and she just knew what she had to do blah blah blah... Something just to explain to the audience where she got her knowledge of force abilities from besides "Ohhhh so she's just really strong then and can do all this stuff instinctively without any training?"

Maybe they did explain it in the movie but I might have just missed it or I just zoned out during that conversation. I'm sure there's a lot of Star Wars fans who have watched the TV shows and read the books who are reading my posts banging their head on the desk cause I'm getting stuff wrong. Sorry!

[Praesi]

Ridiculous Movie. After the pathetic Episode 8 the best they could do i guess. Episode 7-9 dont exist for me. Its not even close to what StarWars means to me and what is possible.

Disney dont understand the Force, or the Jedi or anything for that matter.

Almighty Rey and Kylo. Can do things most powerful Sithlords and Jedis couldnt since Ajunta Pall. Ya..fuck off.

[Praesi]

14 hours ago, kelvinhall05 said:

I don't give a shit about the "story" or whatever and think the Star Wars fanbase is probably the worst film/franchise fan base I've ever heard of by far.

 

 

 

I have enjoyed all the latest movies. Fun to watch, good special effects. I like them.

You enjoyed them..fine. But your first comment is beyond naiv.

 

[GDRRiley]

All these new ones but rogue one and the mandalorian along with finishing the clone wars suck.

they had stories they could have used but instead they use these mess of stories that I hate.

I'll end up watching 1-6 in timeline order with rogue one put in correctly but 7-9 is skipped.