Need case with bottom 280mm 60thick rad support

[Espumador]

Hey guys,

 

I am looking for a case to support my wc loop wich is to big for my Phantek Evolv X.

I have a big reservoir with a 60x280mm rad and once i put it at front where i have space...all the air flow gets cut off and i have to open my case.

I am looking for a case with 60x280 rad support on the side or bottom so i can have also decent mounting on the front to put fans to bring air inside the case.

Any one has any ideias?

[Meganter]

25 minutes ago, Espumador said:

 

Hello,

 

You can look at the Fractal Design Vector RS, Define R6 or Meshify S2. They can all fit a bottom 280mmx60 radiator.

[Juular]

Lian-Li PC-O11D ?

[Espumador]

3 minutes ago, Juular said:

Lian-Li PC-O11D ?

Does not support bottom 280rad.

Any more ideias?

The fractal design seems nice.....does it have such good quality as the phantek? i dont want plastic cases...

[Juular]

46 minutes ago, Espumador said:

Does not support bottom 280rad.

Any more ideias?

The fractal design seems nice.....does it have such good quality as the phantek? i dont want plastic cases...

Uh, that's weird, i thought it does support 280mm either on bottom or side, Lian-Li PC-O11D XL does tho, at the bottom.

[Juular]

Also, maybe it would be a better idea to get a distro plate for Evolv X ?

[Espumador]

1 minute ago, Juular said:

Also, maybe it would be a better idea to get a distro plate for Evolv X ?

my gfx is air cooled so the distro is useless for me...and since the gfx is air cooled i need air inside the case and there is no way to put air inside the case with a 60 thick rad on front.

[Juular]

29 minutes ago, Espumador said:

my gfx is air cooled so the distro is useless for me...

Why so ? You just replace your reservoir with distro plate (and possibly new pump too), that's all. Either way i don't see what radiator has to do with no airflow through the front, it pulls air through it self, right ? There is some airflow, but big reservoir on the path are the problem. Either way if your problem are GPU cooling, replacing the case with the one that has case fans on the bottom, should make a huge improvement, with distro plate or not.

[Espumador]

1 hour ago, Juular said:

Why so ? You just replace your reservoir with distro plate (and possibly new pump too), that's all. Either way i don't see what radiator has to do with no airflow through the front, it pulls air through it self, right ? There is some airflow, but big reservoir on the path are the problem. Either way if your problem are GPU cooling, replacing the case with the one that has case fans on the bottom, should make a huge improvement, with distro plate or not.

The rad is to thick for any measurable airflow to go trough it. even with the fans at max rpm.s if you put your hand in front of the rad there is almost NO airflow, so yes...my rad almost completly shuts down the airflow inside the case since there are no more intake fans.

Replacing my case will fix this probleme but i want a similar grade of case to replace the Evolv X wich is a VERY good case with very good materials and looks really good.

 

[Bombastinator]

35 minutes ago, Espumador said:

The rad is to thick for any measurable airflow to go trough it. even with the fans at max rpm.s if you put your hand in front of the rad there is almost NO airflow, so yes...my rad almost completly shuts down the airflow inside the case since there are no more intake fans.

Replacing my case will fix this probleme but i want a similar grade of case to replace the Evolv X wich is a VERY good case with very good materials and looks really good.

 

Sounds like you need mo’ betta fans. Your Rad doesn’t shut it down,  the fans do.  What it sounds like is you want is space for rads that are useless for airflow, and for pumps and stuff, AND you need airflow on top of that.  That’s some big case you’re looking for.

 

What might work is fans with enough static pressure to actually provide airflow anyway. Not sure it can be done of course.  Is there enough space in the current case for another set of fans on the other side of this super thick radiator to do push pull?  Might be enough. 

[TVwazhere]

4 hours ago, Espumador said:

Any one has any ideias?

I have an idea!

 

You compare airflow to a case that doesnt have a REALLY restrictive front panel! The problem was never your RADS or fans, it's your case.

[Bombastinator]

5 minutes ago, TVwazhere said:

I have an idea!

 

You compare airflow to a case that doesnt have a REALLY restrictive front panel! The problem was never your RADS or fans, it's your case.

This looks likely.  Looks testable though: pull the top and front case covers, test again, and see what happens

[Espumador]

 

14 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Sounds like you need mo’ betta fans. Your Rad doesn’t shut it down,  the fans do.  What it sounds like is you want is space for rads that are useless for airflow, and for pumps and stuff, AND you need airflow on top of that.  That’s some big case you’re looking for.

 

What might work is fans with enough static pressure to actually provide airflow anyway. Not sure it can be done of course.  Is there enough space in the current case for another set of fans on the other side of this super thick radiator to do push pull?  Might be enough. 

the fans came with the WC kit i bought from alphacool, they have 1400Rpms. i have bought noctua industrial 3k rpm fans to mount on the system but after some testing if I dont have intank fans from the front the Evolv X is pretty much done for concerning airflow. So i need to switch my case.

I was looking at that lian Li but the XL model, i think it is a good solution. i can mount the rad on bottom and the fans on the side! and i get the airflow plus the rad working fine!

[Bombastinator]

10 minutes ago, Espumador said:

 

the fans came with the WC kit i bought from alphacool, they have 1400Rpms. i have bought noctua industrial 3k rpm fans to mount on the system but after some testing if I dont have intank fans from the front the Evolv X is pretty much done for concerning airflow. So i need to switch my case.

I was looking at that lian Li but the XL model, i think it is a good solution. i can mount the rad on bottom and the fans on the side! and i get the airflow plus the rad working fine!

For thick radiators static pressure matters more than CFM.  Static pressure is “sucking ability”. IIRC  it’s measured in mm of mercury.  Or something.  Squirrel cage fans like they have in reference blower coolers work not because they have great cfm, but because that fan design has mad static pressure.  It’s similar to the type of fan they use in vacuum cleaners.

 

im still liking the whole “take those covers off and see what happens” thing.  If it gets better you have your answer.

 

A case that avoids the problem entirely works too of course 

Edited January 30, 2020 by Bombastinator
Ihateautocorrect. Conclusion added

[TVwazhere]

1 minute ago, Bombastinator said:

IIRC  it’s measured in mm of mercury.  Or something.  

It's mm H₂0. There's also another pressure rating I sometimes see (that one i cant recall), but most fans usually measure the pressure in mm H₂0

[Espumador]

21 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

For thick radiators static pressure matters more than CFM.  Static pressure is “sucking ability”. IIRC  it’s measured in mm of mercury.  Or something.  Squirrel cage fans like they have in reference blower coolers work not because they have great cfm, but because that fan design has mad static pressure.  It’s similar to the type of fan they use in vacuum cleaners.

 

im still liking the whole “take those covers off and see what happens” thing.  If it gets better you have your answer.

 

A case that avoids the problem entirely works too of course 

Static pressure is “sucking ability” - That is what she said last night!  no seriously i already tested that....that is why i am saying i need to open the side cover to let air in with my current case. And since the rad is 60mm thick there is no other place to mount it.

From the tests i made i need a case with 60mm bottom rad mount and front/side place to mount some fans for airflow because along with place to mount the reservoir/pump combo wich is a vpp775 with 250mm reservoir!:

1- my chipset burns bife if not airflowed

2- my gfx goes french fried temps if not airflowed also.

 

so basicly i need to mount my GPU verticly so that the front or side fans can cool it along with the chipset and not get as much direct worm air from the bottom rad.... and place the rad on bottom or top to cool the CPU. Main prob of this is the 60mm thick rad.....on top it will be VERY hard to find a case that can fit the rad with the fans....on front either the case can mount bottom fans or it is useless becouse it almost completly cuts the airflow(i tested with 3k rpm fans) unless you have a full loop and therefore you dont need airflow.

In my case i need both! a place to put the 60mmx280 rad with the fans inside the case...and a proper airflow!!

 

I think this Lian Li Dynamic XL is a good option what do you think?

[TVwazhere]

20 minutes ago, Espumador said:

Main prob of this is the 60mm thick rad.....on top it will be VERY hard to find a case that can fit the rad with the fans

The P600S is essentially the Evolv X but has differences in the exterior, including a front plate cover that is removable. So if your whole configuration fits in the Evolv X, it will fit in the P600s.

 

This way you can keep the layout you like, and get good airflow.

[Espumador]

i whant a rad this size becouse i like to OC to the extreme of what i have. Right now i am first on firestrike for my build and i would like to keep it that way. smaller rads dont give as much cooling punch....so my overall performance would decay if i need to take it lightly on my system....and my system doesnt like to take things lightly!  so yes...i whant a giant radiator and i will possibly put some other 2 3k rpms fans doing push pull config....but i need space wich evolv X doesnt have for radiators this big...

[Espumador]

so guys please...lets just stay on topic....

I need a case that can fit my setup.... wich is a vpp775pump with a 250mm reservoir + a 60mmx280rad....and still manage to get decent airflow inside the case......

We have the Lian Li XL model wich is preatty cool and beutifull.....anymore ideias?? i would like a case of the quality of my phantek evolv X! all aluminium super premium mega case!  

I am not fitting my 3900x OCed 4.6/4.5/4.4/4.3 per ccx +MSI Meg Ace + 16GB of cas 14 3733ghz ram+ RTX2080 oced to 2145ghz clock on some plastic discount case!  fucking hate plastic!

[Zando_]

4 minutes ago, Espumador said:

so guys please...lets just stay on topic....

I need a case that can fit my setup.... wich is a vpp775pump with a 250mm reservoir + a 60mmx280rad....and still manage to get decent airflow inside the case......

We have the Lian Li XL model wich is preatty cool and beutifull.....anymore ideias?? i would like a case of the quality of my phantek evolv X! all aluminium super premium mega case!  

I am not fitting my 3900x OCed 4.6/4.5/4.4/4.3 per ccx +MSI Meg Ace + 16GB of cas 14 3733ghz ram+ RTX2080 oced to 2145ghz clock on some plastic discount case!  fucking hate plastic!

Enthoo 719 (or upcoming Pro II on the same chassis) should easily handle that but.... your rig would look tiny in that. It'll fit 2 480mm rads in the front/side and then (IIRC) it can still fit 60mm 360 rads both top and bottom. 

[Espumador]

4 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Enthoo 719 (or upcoming Pro II on the same chassis) should easily handle that but.... your rig would look tiny in that. It'll fit 2 480mm rads in the front/side and then (IIRC) it can still fit 60mm 360 rads both top and bottom. 

the enthoo 719 cant fit 60mm rads only on the front!... i red the brochure...and the clearance is only for a max 40mm on top! bottom is 240mm not 280...and front...well front is the entire probleme i have!

 

[Zando_]

2 minutes ago, Espumador said:

the enthoo 719 cant fit 60mm rads only on the front!... i red the brochure...and the clearance is only for a max 40mm on top! bottom is 240mm not 280...and front...well front is the entire probleme i have!

 

Ah yeah it's only 120mm rads, not 140s, my bad. Is there a reason you can't move to a 360mm rad? Should be similar surface area and more WC compatible cases will support them since 360mm is a much more common size. And if a single slim (30mm) 360 rad can keep a decently OCed 5960X and Radeon VII under control, a thicker one for just a 3900X should be hella fine. Or you stick with a slim one so you can push more air through it. 

[WkdPaul]

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[Meganter]

20 hours ago, Espumador said:

Does not support bottom 280rad.

Any more ideias?

The fractal design seems nice.....does it have such good quality as the phantek? i dont want plastic cases...

It's a very good quality, I own one. Same for the P600S that @TVwazhere mentionned, it's actually on my main rig and it's a very good case too.