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Lorna
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Hello,

  So i am wanting to build myself a new computer from the ground up (instead of just buying it prebuilt) and not too sure how to make sure all the components are appropriate for each other. Is there a good way to tell if you are creating a shortage in any particular area (e.g. my cpu, gpu, memory, etc.). Also is there a good way to tell if different parts are compatible with each other. If i am understanding correctly some cpu's do not work with certain motherboards and such. My budget is around a 1000$ usd +/- 200$. 

  The recommendation thread says to mention location. I am in the midwest but will be in Houston for a couple weeks in December. I was trying to putting parts into a build list on Microcenter's website which is what made me want to post this.  The main things I would be using the computer for would be video games, general work stuff and some bioinformatic stuff but I assume the video games would probably be the most intensive thing the computer would be doing.

  If there is anything else I should mention or try to do before anyone gives some ideas to me, please let me know.

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PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor $309.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard $179.99 @ Amazon
Memory G.Skill Trident Z Neo 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory $94.99 @ Newegg
Storage ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $69.98 @ Amazon
Storage Hitachi Ultrastar 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $34.95 @ Amazon
Video Card Asus Radeon RX 5700 8 GB STRIX Gaming OC Video Card $399.99 @ Amazon
Case KOLINK OBSERVATORY RGB ATX Mid Tower Case $66.75 @ Amazon
Power Supply Thermaltake Toughpower Grand RGB Sync Edition 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $103.28 @ Amazon
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total $1259.92
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-29 03:21 EST-0500  

Get something like this. Look for black friday sales on your local stores, webstores and amazon

I Use my knowledge as business owner and self taught technician aswell as an AI to help people. AI might be controversial but it actually works pretty well 90% of the time.

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so.

what games do you want to play and what resolution?

do you have a montir and peripherals already or do they need to be included in the list?

do you want to go AMD or Intel CPU and do you want to go AMD or Nvidia GPU?

Is RGB something you value over small performance upgrades or do you want full performance and 0 RGB.

Anything i've written between the * and * is not meant to be taken seriously.

keep in mind that helping with problems is hard if you aren't specific and detailed.

i'm also not a professional, (yet) so make sure to personally verify important information as i could be wrong.

 

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Easiest way to check general compatibility is by using PCPartPicker. That site won't even let you pick a board incompatible with your CPU.

 

General parts I would recommend you to search for would be Ryzen 5 3600, B450 (like an MSI MAX board), 3200-3600Mhz 2x8GB memory, 5700(XT)/GTX 1660 Super, TX550M power supply and whatever case you like.

An SSD looks the 660p has a pretty good value if you won't use 100% of its capacity.

 

Making a nice PCPartPicker list and posting it here for recommendations and changes will yield great suggestions too.

"We're all in this together, might as well be friends" Tom, Toonami.

 

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PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($194.00 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI B450-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($69.99 @ B&H) 
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($52.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Team MP34 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($58.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB Red Dragon Video Card  ($399.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox NR600 (w/o ODD) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($65.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  ($59.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $951.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-29 03:33 EST-0500

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Heatsink: Gelid Phantom Black GPU: Palit RTX 3060 Ti Dual RAM: Corsair DDR4 2x8GB 3000Mhz mobo: Asus X570-P case: Fractal Design Define C PSU: Superflower Leadex Gold 650W

 

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16 minutes ago, Lorna said:

 

Hello,

 

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor $194.00 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO CPU Cooler $39.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard MSI B450 Gaming Plus MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard $99.99 @ Amazon
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory $69.99 @ Newegg
Storage Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $82.99 @ Newegg
Video Card Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card $499.99 @ Newegg
Case Cooler Master MasterBox MB511 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case $59.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply $59.99 @ Newegg
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total (before mail-in rebates) $1146.93
  Mail-in rebates -$40.00
  Total $1106.93
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-29 03:32 EST-0500  

 

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  that was quick, thank you all for responding. I will try and make a list and post it shortly, probably bastardizing the lists that have already been posted.  A few more questions beforehand though, if you don't mind. when looking at memory, I see both as an option, is sata or m.2 better? I see that most of you have used m.2 so I assume that is preferable but not sure why. The other question is, what are you looking at when you decide on which motherboard you are wanting? I don't really understand how to compare motherboards.

  The questions you had for me. I don't really care about RGB, I can take it or leave it. I have all the peripherals already but would like to get a new monitor. My keyboard and mouse I will replace if i find a good deal but i can keep using the ones I have. As to AMD or Intel, I do not really have a preference. Even though i had been looking at the AMD 3600x, and it seems that people have been putting the 3600 in the lists they have posted. The difference in price between each is 5 dollars.

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7 minutes ago, Lorna said:

that was quick, thank you all for responding. I will try and make a list and post it shortly, probably bastardizing the lists that have already been posted.  A few more questions beforehand though, if you don't mind. when looking at memory, I see both as an option, is sata or m.2 better? I see that most of you have used m.2 so I assume that is preferable but not sure why.

The price is really similar now between both but M.2 will (usually) be faster with no cable management needed which is a plus.

 

8 minutes ago, Lorna said:

I see that most of you have used m.2 so I assume that is preferable but not sure why. The other question is, what are you looking at when you decide on which motherboard you are wanting? I don't really understand how to compare motherboards.

To be fair, the A-Pro is as good as the Gaming Plus MAX, but the MAX support 3rd gen out of the box which is why I used it.

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11 minutes ago, Lorna said:

is sata or m.2 better? I see that most of you have used m.2 so I assume that is preferable but not sure why.

M.2 comes in two varieties; PCIE/NVME and SATA variants.

I see everyone above suggsted the PCIE/NVME variants, which are generally quite a bit faster (SATA caps at around 550MBps read/write, while the NVME drives can have much higher speeds).

 

The suggested SSD's are all good options, but with some you have to be careful not to fill up the drive too much. Some drives can slow down after this.

14 minutes ago, Lorna said:

 The other question is, what are you looking at when you decide on which motherboard you are wanting? I don't really understand how to compare motherboards.

Other than physical size, slots needed, connectors on the back needed, etc. It's a general "look at what decent options for a nice price are".

You can use the motherboard tier list to get a general idea of what is needed and what is best:

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1046357-motherboard-tier-list-x570-update/

15 minutes ago, Lorna said:

Even though i had been looking at the AMD 3600x, and it seems that people have been putting the 3600 in the lists they have posted. The difference in price between each is 5 dollars.

The 3600X and 3600 are basically the same, the X variant has a higher guaranteed speed potential, but the 3600 can boost quite high too.

The difference is negligible, but if it's a 5 USD difference, I would go for the 3600X for the higher guaranteed speeds.

 

"We're all in this together, might as well be friends" Tom, Toonami.

 

mini eLiXiVy: my open source 65% mechanical PCB, a build log, PCB anatomy and discussing open source licenses: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1366493-elixivy-a-65-mechanical-keyboard-build-log-pcb-anatomy-and-how-i-open-sourced-this-project/

 

mini_cardboard: a 4% keyboard build log and how keyboards work: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1328547-mini_cardboard-a-4-keyboard-build-log-and-how-keyboards-work/

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So after looking at things a little bit, this is kind of what i have put together so far.

 

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor $199.99 @ B&H
Motherboard MSI B450 Gaming Plus MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard $99.99 @ Amazon
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory $60.99 @ Newegg
Storage Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $82.99 @ Newegg
Video Card PowerColor Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB Red Dragon Video Card $399.99 @ Amazon
Case Cooler Master MasterBox MB511 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case $59.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply $69.99 @ Newegg
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total (before mail-in rebates) $1013.93
  Mail-in rebates -$40.00
  Total $973.93
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-29 05:47 EST-0500  

 

It does give a compatability warning, and so i am not sure if I should change the motherboard to something different.

 

I have not yet tacked on something in the cpu cooler spot. Any recommendations on how to choose that?

The storage I currently have as a 1TB SSD but might change it to a smaller one with a HDD and I picked a 650 W power supply because I figured it wouldn't hurt if there was extra wiggle room. I went with the RX5700 becuase it was 100$ cheaper than the geforce rtx 2070, would the difference between the cards be worth spending the extra money? 

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6 minutes ago, Lorna said:

So after looking at things a little bit, this is kind of what i have put together so far.

 

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor $199.99 @ B&H
Motherboard MSI B450 Gaming Plus MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard $99.99 @ Amazon
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory $60.99 @ Newegg
Storage Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $82.99 @ Newegg
Video Card PowerColor Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB Red Dragon Video Card $399.99 @ Amazon
Case Cooler Master MasterBox MB511 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case $59.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply $69.99 @ Newegg
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total (before mail-in rebates) $1013.93
  Mail-in rebates -$40.00
  Total $973.93
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-29 05:47 EST-0500  

 

It does give a compatability warning, and so i am not sure if I should change the motherboard to something different.

 

I have not yet tacked on something in the cpu cooler spot. Any recommendations on how to choose that?

The storage I currently have as a 1TB SSD but might change it to a smaller one with a HDD and I picked a 650 W power supply because I figured it wouldn't hurt if there was extra wiggle room. I went with the RX5700 becuase it was 100$ cheaper than the geforce rtx 2070, would the difference between the cards be worth spending the extra money? 

looks good, motherboard is compatible. stock cooler on the 3600x is good enough. rx5700 is good enough unless you care for nvidia's ray tracing. there's a hp ex900 500gb for $45, should be faster than the intel drive.

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39 minutes ago, Lorna said:

how can you tell the hp ssd would be quicker?

Also would I need to worry about cooling beyond the cpu? such as for the gpu or anything? Or is the stock cooling for everything good enough?

it's TLC vs the intel one which is QLC. if you don't plan on heavy overclocking, stock cooling is good for everything.

27 minutes ago, Lorna said:

Also would there be any issues if the motherboard were changed to the MSI B450 Tomahawk max?

no, the tomahawk is just as good.

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