[EOL] PSU Tier List rev. 14.8

[Juular]

5 minutes ago, euviridis said:

quick question, is focus gold the same as focus plus gold? I'm eyeing the focus plus gold after unsuccessful attempts of finding rmx series

Newer and older revision Focus are distinguished by model postfix (it's on the box or in the part number), FX and FM are older, GX and GM are newer, there's also Platinum rated PX which has both old and new revisions, in this can you can distinguish them by the looks of the box or casing of the unit (and older ones are called Focus Plus Platinum whereas newer one are just Focus PX).

[euviridis]

6 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

focus gold (gm/fm) is semi-modular

focus plus gold (gx/fx) is fully modular

 just to clarify, fx belongs to tier A too, right?

4 minutes ago, Juular said:

Newer and older revision Focus are distinguished by model postfix (it's on the box or in the part number), FX and FM are older, GX and GM are newer, there's also Platinum rated PX which has both old and new revisions, in this can you can distinguish them by the looks of the box or casing of the unit (and older ones are called Focus Plus Platinum whereas newer one are just Focus PX).

is newer (gx) better than older (fx)?

 

sorry but since Corsair rm 2019 is arguably worse than rmx 2018, i cant be sure

[LukeSavenije]

Just now, euviridis said:

just to clarify, fx belongs to tier A too, right?

fx has had some gpu tripping issues, so it's not

 

but by now FX shouldn't be sold anymore, since it's made EOL by Seasonic

 

the new GX/GM models look like this

[Juular]

6 minutes ago, euviridis said:

sorry but since Corsair rm 2019 is arguably worse than rmx 2018, i cant be sure

Seasonic Focus are also arguably no better than RM 2019 either so go for the cheapest of either, assuming you have Focus GM\GX there.

[Fasauceome]

noticed we haven't got silverstone strider platinum on the list

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12702/the-silverstone-strider-platinum-st1000pt-st1200pt-psu-review/5

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/silverstone-strider-platinum-st1200-pt-psu,4849.html

[Juular]

2 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

noticed we haven't got silverstone strider platinum on the list

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12702/the-silverstone-strider-platinum-st1000pt-st1200pt-psu-review/5

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/silverstone-strider-platinum-st1200-pt-psu,4849.html

It should be added in the next revision i guess.

[euviridis]

7 hours ago, Juular said:

Seasonic Focus are also arguably no better than RM 2019 either so go for the cheapest of either, assuming you have Focus GM\GX there.

I'm concerned about noise, which one is better in term of noise level?

[Juular]

3 hours ago, euviridis said:

I'm concerned about noise, which one is better in term of noise level?

 

Seasonic are quieter but i don't think you would notice 15-20 dBa, although there were reports of coil whine with RM related to low sleep states.

[euviridis]

8 minutes ago, Juular said:

 

Seasonic are better but i don't think you would notice 15-20 dBa, although there were reports of coil whine with RM related to low sleep states.

that graph below says phanteks, is it correct?

[Juular]

51 minutes ago, euviridis said:

that graph below says phanteks, is it correct?

Yes, it's rebadged Focus GX.

[euviridis]

Okay thanks a lot @LukeSavenije, @Juular I've decided with focus GX

[Somedude96]

Hey, guys! A store is selling a Cougar GX-S 650W for only Php 3200 or $64. They say it's brand new and it's their last batch of stocks hence the price cut. Is it a good unit? Couldn't care less about modularity. I'm currently searching for reviews for the unit.

[LukeSavenije]

3 minutes ago, Somedude96 said:

Is it a good unit?

it's cx-level, as indicated by the list

 

it's made by sifra/high power, even if Cougar is owned by HEC. 

 

reviews can be found here:

https://www.jonnyguru.com/blog/2017/06/26/cougar-gx-s650-650w-power-supply/
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/cougar-gx-s550/

[MEC-777]

This is interesting...

 

 

[LukeSavenije]

2 minutes ago, MEC-777 said:

This is interesting...

@VegetableStu linked it to me a bit ago... I'll copy my comment what i said there

 

Quote

actually, i saw that earlier and it looks super weird

 

seasonic doesn't want to tell me anything yet, but there are 4 dc-dc modules visible in renders (two in the "connect" part and two in the PSU itself). either way would theoretically work:
 

• stepping down the voltage from 12v down inside the PSU like the normal version of this
• stepping down the voltage in the connect part from 12v in the same way, but at a later moment
   

it's confusing, but interesting...

and with that, that would make this the first 12vo psu sold to the consumer market, if the latter is true and there's a mistake in the PSU render itself

[Somedude96]

1 hour ago, LukeSavenije said:

it's cx-level, as indicated by the list

 

it's made by sifra/high power, even if Cougar is owned by HEC. 

 

reviews can be found here:

https://www.jonnyguru.com/blog/2017/06/26/cougar-gx-s650-650w-power-supply/
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/cougar-gx-s550/

thanks!! I'm buying it now.

[Hensly]

On 3/2/2020 at 10:25 PM, LukeSavenije said:

high ripple, with the 80+ white version even going slightly out of spec

 

CM is aware of this and have a fixed version ready, but it's not in production yet due to some problems in China

I have already bought in january MWE white v2 500w(i get it its white, but i thought its the same as v2), because it was at the time on a list of acceptable/non dangerous entry level PSU's (couldnt have bought better psu because of limited choices and raidmax monolopy on my market).

 

Do i need to plan to replace it in the future, i have rx 570 + ryzen 1600 with 2ssd and 1 hdd. Is my pc in danger?

 

thanks

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, Hensly said:

Do i need to plan to replace it in the future, i have rx 570 + ryzen 1600 with 2ssd and 1 hdd. Is my pc in danger?

I'm not entirely sure if cm is replacing the older units with their new design when they come out... I'm try to keep people as updated as possible, but so far i don't have any green lights that the second revision is in production. 

[Hensly]

I appreciate your hard work! 

 

I can maybe get my hand on better quality be quiet unit to replace my CM mwe v2 white by the end of the year.

 

Is that too long of a time to wait, my pc is pretty much always on.

 

I am sorry, if im making you uncomfortable with my question or if im asking too much, but i have nobody else to ask this question.

 

P.S. i think that you mentioned in the past post, that you dont like semi-passive mode on low end units like mwe v2, and i can report back that fan only never spins in the first 5 mins of morning boot and pretty much never goes back to that state even after 2 hours of idle. So its like it doesnt exist honestly in practice. Fake semi passive in a way.

[LukeSavenije]

3 minutes ago, Hensly said:

I can maybe get my hand on better quality be quiet unit to replace my CM mwe v2 white by the end of the year.

again, if cm were to replace people's old versions with RMA, this wouldn't really be a problem

 

4 minutes ago, Hensly said:

Is that too long of a time to wait, my pc is pretty much always on.

it's not groundbreaking

 

4 minutes ago, Hensly said:

P.S. i think that you mentioned in the past post, that you dont like semi-passive mode on low end units like mwe v2,

and ironically, that's exactly the thing they're removing in the coming revision

[Sapphiree]

My suggestion. DC-DC conversion, voltage regulation below 1% and ripple below for example 50mv should be required for highest tiers (S-A). Values may be set differently but i think its a good idea to change requirements. 

[Juular]

16 minutes ago, Kaygooo said:

My suggestion. DC-DC conversion, voltage regulation below 1% and ripple below for example 50mv should be required for highest tiers (S-A). Values may be set differently but i think its a good idea to change requirements. 

DC-DC (well, or mag-amp, but there are very few of them and none of them are higher than tier B) are already a requirement for tier B and up, and as far as i know voltage regulation and ripple suppression on all tier A units and up are within margins you've suggested anyway (maybe at least 90% of them).

I also thought on how to split tier A as there seems to be a few units that rather qualify as mid-end rather than high end but the only thing i can think of are 50°C rating and that would detier all Seasonic units including smth like PRIME Titanium (surprise, they're 40°C at 100% load, just found out this today lol) which would make another shitstorm.

Maybe also fan bearing type but again, AFAIK there are none with sleeves in tier A and up and distinguishing hydro-dynamic and rifle bearings seems silly, they're both good.

[Craxton]

i recently purchased the seasonic focus plus 80 gold rated 1000watt psu to upgrade from my master watt 650 semi fanless. due to having a new gpu (xfx 5700) and r5 1600af @4.1 ghz, 2x8gb 3466 hyperx ram (outthebox!{J DIE) msi b450I gaming plus ac motherboard, 1x2TB adata xpg 8200pro nvme ssd, 2x500gb wd blue ssds (sata), 1x1tb wdblue 7200rpm 6gbs hdd, 10 uphere 120mm case fans, master liquid 240ml aio, and an rgb strip, anyow the mention of FOCUS from seasonic has me very concerned as well as me ordering the focus plus i got the dang gon focus without the + so just the GX1000 my question is { is this power supply one of which is DONT BUY on the list}? i have an option to return for full refund as well as they pay the shipping. i just need to know if its worth keeping or am i somewhat doomed? new to the forum read as much as i could about rules and stuff. but this is my first time posting i do belive. so if someone could let me know i would be more than grateful!

case is the enermax saberay ADV... (NOTE) current system doesnt have 10 fans waiting for the case to make it here..

[Juular]

7 minutes ago, Craxton said:

GX1000

As you can see in the list itself, Seasonic Focus GX is not in the don't buy list, you're good.

[LukeSavenije]

8 minutes ago, Craxton said:

is this power supply one of which is DONT BUY on the list}

this is the new (2019) focus GX, not the old one

 

except that i'm highly questioning why you got about 3-4 times the wattage you're using in capacity here...