[EOL] PSU Tier List rev. 14.8

[Juular]

8 hours ago, Tristerin said:

Full Disclosure - on Sunday 1/10/21 and confirmed this morning on 1/11/21 I will be receiving each ARESGAME PSU in their lineup to unbox, review, test, etc.  Anything in particular you guys want done?  (this includes the 750W PSU which I have in hand - just showed up tonight)

Unless you have a load tester and/or DSO and know how to use them, just a top-down shot of internals and a shot of solder side of the PCB. And if you can do close shots to identify markings, do ones of supervisor IC, bridge diode, APFC, primary and secondary side MOSFETs and DC-DC module if present. A shot of the fan label too. Basically, look at how Aris does it.

3 hours ago, MrBrightSyde said:

All S and A tier were merged to a single A tier, B+ became B tier, B tier became C, and, C and D were merged I think (if Luke or someone else could correct me on that, please do so)

Correct.

[Tristerin]

3 hours ago, Juular said:

Unless you have a load tester and/or DSO and know how to use them, just a top-down shot of internals and a shot of solder side of the PCB. And if you can do close shots to identify markings, do ones of supervisor IC, bridge diode, APFC, primary and secondary side MOSFETs and DC-DC module if present. A shot of the fan label too. Basically, look at how Aris does it.

Correct.

Can you recommend me an affordable load tester?  Price ranges from $50(Thermaltake)-$400 (more professional equipment) quick google search.  More affordable the better so I dont have to explain anything to the wife lol.

 

Tracking shows I will have their 650w and 500w units in hand tomorrow.

[mdk777]

I think the answer is that there is no such equipment in that price range.

The reason there are so few good PSU reviews is that the testing equipment runs into the thousands.

[seon123]

7 hours ago, Tristerin said:

Can you recommend me an affordable load tester?  Price ranges from $50(Thermaltake)-$400 (more professional equipment) quick google search.  More affordable the better so I dont have to explain anything to the wife lol.

 

Tracking shows I will have their 650w and 500w units in hand tomorrow.

Uh.... This is the test setup used by Aris, which is probably slightly above your budget.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/how-we-test-psu,4042-2.html

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A SunMoon would also be a few thousand dollars, so... Just the internal shots should be fine. If you are able to at least measure the AC power input and ambient temperature, then the fan RPM could also have some value

[Tristerin]

23 minutes ago, seon123 said:

Uh.... This is the test setup used by Aris, which is probably slightly above your budget.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/how-we-test-psu,4042-2.html

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A SunMoon would also be a few thousand dollars, so... Just the internal shots should be fine. If you are able to at least measure the AC power input and ambient temperature, then the fan RPM could also have some value

Aris is a pro so no one should expect that lol

 

Questions never hurt, especially when asked of the right people - how relevant is something like the Passmark inline PSU tester?

 

As for the internals - easy

AC power input - recommend me a wall unit or Ill just do my research and get one

Ambient temp (do you mean mine, or the ambient temp information on the PSU information about load and stuff)

Monitor fan RPM or just figure out what fan it is and RPMs it is meant to run at?

[Rey Nanda]

15 hours ago, MrBrightSyde said:

While I wouldn't use it for a 3070 personally, it should be fine. I think you might've seen the tier list back when there was a B+ tier. They changed it since then. All S and A tier were merged to a single A tier, B+ became B tier, B tier became C, and, C and D were merged I think (if Luke or someone else could correct me on that, please do so)

Thanks, so while it won't "explode" right now, I should start looking for a suitable replacement.

[Juular]

11 hours ago, Tristerin said:

how relevant is something like the Passmark inline PSU tester?

Don't bother. It doesn't test the most important stuff anyway - ripple, transient response and protections, and even what it does - static load voltage regulation and timings are reportedly come with quite large measurement error. For RPM, i guess you can get a laser tachometer, don't forget to put a piece of reflective tape on one fan blade tho so measurement would be somewhat correct (there still would be some inaccuracy but that's fine really).

[LukeSavenije]

29 minutes ago, Juular said:

ripple

does measure this, actually

[Tristerin]

Alright folks - these two are first promised in build logs - once Ive completed the build log we can dive into these two.

 

The AGV500 will be here as soon as its back in stock stateside, and Im free to do what I want with it, so we will start with that one (unless stock takes to long). 

[Guest]

18 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

does measure this, actually

Just not very accurately. 

[Ankerson]

1 hour ago, jonnyGURU said:

Just not very accurately. 

 

Yeah, I seriously doubt there are any shortcuts cost wise in measuring ripple and other things when it comes to PSUs.

 

Like people getting those $20 Kill-Watts and thinking they mean something. Might be good for a desk lamp or something.

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

28 minutes ago, Ankerson said:

 

Yeah, I seriously doubt there are any shortcuts cost wise in measuring ripple and other things when it comes to PSUs.

 

Like people getting those $20 Kill-Watts and thinking they mean something. Might be good for a desk lamp or something.

 

 

 

 

Let's just say a reviewer used one and the ripple was reported as high. When that same unit was returned to be test on a Chroma, the unit was well within spec.  Sometimes, you just have to spend a minimum of $5000 to get accurate results.

 

[Ankerson]

2 hours ago, jonnyGURU said:

Let's just say a reviewer used one and the ripple was reported as high. When that same unit was returned to be test on a Chroma, the unit was well within spec.  Sometimes, you just have to spend a minimum of $5000 to get accurate results.

 

 

Makes since.

 

Professional testing equipment vs NOT professional testing equipment.

 

Sometimes it takes a REAL COMMENTMENT as in REAL money to do it correctly.

 

Or do it right, or just don't do it at all. 

 

Not just shooting video with their smart phone their mom got them and shooting video in their mom's basement with $20 equipment and free software and thinking they are doing something. 

 

Even worse people actually believe it. 

 

 

 

 

[LukeSavenije]

7 hours ago, jonnyGURU said:

you just have to spend a minimum of $5000 to get accurate results.

or in this business... 100k

[Guest]

7 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

or in this business... 100k

Well... To be fair, that's an entire Chroma 9000 rack.  If you're doing EVT and DVT qualification, that's one thing.  If you're reviewing a PSU or just doing on-spot troubleshooting, a SunMoon is all you need.  There's some factories that only have one Chroma, it's in the lab, and the shop floor has nothing but SunMoons and TechReds.

 

 

[juanme555]

Is this one B Tier???

[MrBrightSyde]

1 hour ago, juanme555 said:

Is this one B Tier???

 

That would be the one in Tier D labelled as "SDP 80+"

[juanme555]

2 minutes ago, MrBrightSyde said:

That would be the one in Tier D labelled as "SDP 80+"

lol that's crazy, this one is cheaper:

Is this the one in Tier B? (It says SDP55-SS in the sellers page)

[MrBrightSyde]

4 minutes ago, juanme555 said:

lol that's crazy, this one is cheaper:

Is this the one in Tier B? (It says SDP55-SS in the sellers page)

The SDP-SS would show SDPXXX-SS on the label(replace XXX with the wattage). Pretty sure neither of the ones you shared are the same as it.

[Mezoxin]

is My Corsair RMi 850w able to run the RTX 3080 without having transients trigger OCP ? I have seen several people complaining about their 750w PSU's shuting down with th rtx 3080 

[Hairless Monkey Boy]

1 minute ago, Mezoxin said:

is My Corsair RMi 850w able to run the RTX 3080 without having transients trigger OCP ? I have seen several people complaining about their 750w PSU's shuting down with th rtx 3080 

RMi is a very good PSU, and 850W more than enough for an RTX 3080. You should be fine.

[Mezoxin]

I have seen people having problems with the RMx 750w and the Seasonic Prime 750w , its not a problem with the PSU but from what i understood its the exaggerated transients that the RTX 3080 produce  

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Mezoxin said:

I have seen people having problems with the RMx 750w and the Seasonic Prime 750w , its not a problem with the PSU but from what i understood its the exaggerated transients that the RTX 3080 produce  

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BTW:  RM750x works perfectly fin with the 3080.  Even the FE.  If someone is "having problems" it's not because of the PSU.

[siggames]

Hi, forum. I have 2 red dragon rpgs-gc 500 watts/ 600 watts 80 plus bronze, the same psu is 1st player by helly oem in china, what version it is dk 4.0, dk 5.0, dk 6.0, pro 5.0, 6.0, 7.0. The psu are tier d in your forums, the same with Seasonic S12II 80 plus bronze.

 

Witch is better Seasonic S12II, A12 or 1st player, not problems with uvp, and dc - dc foward in desing, i have for 1 mouth, i neve problems at now.

[Kevin99]

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