[EOL] PSU Tier List rev. 14.8

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Atgz said:

A friend in Turkey recently asked me if they should buy "GamePower GP-750 " which is a brand I've never heard of before. I think it's a Turkey specific brand of a Chinese company. I had a look at the marketing materials and it screams "these specs are fake". I suggested him something else but I'm curious if it is at least C or B tier, which would be good to know since it is VERY cheap 

 

Here is an internal shot I found on their website:

 

There are some bold claims (about using japanese capacitors etc) on the marketing material, but i'm not even sure if it's DC-DC or group regulated

 

 

Can someone help me do a sanity check? thanks! 

Very old school design.  Double forward, group regulated.

 

BTW:  This post should be it's own thread and not part of the tier list thread.

[LukeSavenije]

3 hours ago, jonnyGURU said:

BTW:  This post should be it's own thread and not part of the tier list thread.

nah, we can use this as info, it's not too bad to post it here

 

4 hours ago, Atgz said:

Can someone help me do a sanity check? thanks! 

Jon was (of course) right about the group reg df part, I'll look into it internally if we can find out what it is exactly

[monx101]

On 12/29/2020 at 3:36 PM, Juular said:

All info (well, almost) about tiering is in the spreadsheet. It seems that i've just mixed up SX-G lineup, there are 500/650/700W ones that are indeed made by High Power like InWin CS and there are also 600W one made by Enhance which showed some ripple problems, so 600W belongs to tier C while 500/650/700W don't. Although 500/650/700W (as well as both 700 and 750W SX-PT) has 85°C bulk cap while tier A has a requirement for 105°C one so it will be moved one tier down after it'll get split from '=>600W' in the next revision.

It is.

Tier A so far.

It's Focus platform despite what Seasonic calls it but they've pulled this on Prime lineup too already, 550\650W PRIME Gold is based on Focus platform.

If you look closely you'll see that there are clear distinction between old Focus SKUs (Gold, Plus Gold, Plus Platinum) and new ones (GM, GX, PX). Old ones are in the low priority subtier, while new ones aren't. NZXT E while being based on older platform revision didn't show shutdown issues with AMD Vega probably because it's slightly modified (additional supervisor for multi-rail OCP).

It isn't about quality, we just don't trust them to ship the same piece of hardware to end users as they gave to reviewers as we have an info on the contrary. There are also very few recent reviews of their products.

will the inwin cs-700W move to tier B? also will it be able to handle a 3080 MSI Gaming X Trio?
my new pc setup:

CPU:        AMD 5600X cooled by Noctua C14S

MB:          MSI B550M Mortar

RAM:       Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB CL16 (8x4 kit)

GPU:       MSI RTX 3080 Gaming X Trio (ordered on amazon coming 13 Jan)

Storage:   Samsung 980 Pro 0.5 TB M.2

                 ADATA XPG SX800 1.0TB M.2

                Samsung 850 Evo 0.5 TB SSD

                Seagate 2.5" 2.0 TB HDD

Cooling:  5pack PCCooler Corona RGB 120mm

Case:      Metalfish S5 (will be modded to fit the GPU)

 

Only this GPU was available for purchase in MSRP atm. my original plan is to put 3070 TUF but its horribly priced here in SG, supposed to be same msrp as FE but priced at least $S200 more than the S$790 msrp of the FE (even though FE is not available in SG, nvidia priced it at S$790 in their website)

[Juular]

4 hours ago, monx101 said:

will the inwin cs-700W move to tier B?

No, they claim 105°C main cap. As of RTX3080, i have no idea.

[duckyand]

Does Focus GX have issues or is the [1] just for PX series?

[Hairless Monkey Boy]

30 minutes ago, duckyand said:

Does Focus GX have issues or is the [1] just for PX series?

Looks like it's just PX, but you should take a look at the changelog in the google sheet. There are some planned changes to the way this information is presented.

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eL0893Ramlwk6E3s3uSvH1_juom7SMG5SCNzP2Uov8w/edit?usp=sharing

[duckyand]

45 minutes ago, HairlessMonkeyBoy said:

Looks like it's just PX, but you should take a look at the changelog in the google sheet. There are some planned changes to the way this information is presented.

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eL0893Ramlwk6E3s3uSvH1_juom7SMG5SCNzP2Uov8w/edit?usp=sharing

Well, if one was to buy it now, it would be post-2018, right?

[Hairless Monkey Boy]

46 minutes ago, duckyand said:

Well, if one was to buy it now, it would be post-2018, right?

I would assume so. Could be old stock. Not likely, though.

[LukeSavenije]

12 hours ago, duckyand said:

Does Focus GX have issues or is the [1] just for PX series?

GX is ALWAYS focus v3, so you have nothing to worry about. It's just that PX specifically has the same naming on both the old and the new version, but they look visually different. The old versions are Focus Gold FM, Focus Plus Gold FX and Focus Plus Platinum PX, the new ones are Focus GM, Focus GX and Focus PX

[enthusiast29]

Hi, Guys. I'm new here.

So I've got a 2700X running on manual PBO (maxed out everything in limits and Mode 5 LLC) so maybe it's going upto 160W at least in HWinfo64 (CPU package power).

An mATX mobo with 4x DIMMs, 4x SATA drives and 4x case fans (~80-100W?) and I'm planning to get a RTX 3070 or maybe even 3080. Is a Gold rated 750W PSU enough?

 

I have my eyes on Deepcool DQ750M-V2L. I've read here and found out that it's in the Tier C for the burn-in at low voltages (< 110V) failure but I'm on 220-240V here. Is it otherwise same as the non V2L version which is in Tier A? I just want to get a PSU which can serve me a long time and through at least 2-3 PC builds. Are there any other cons of this PSU which I should be aware of?

 

Thanks!

[Juular]

17 minutes ago, enthusiast29 said:

 I just want to get a PSU which can serve me a long time and through at least 2-3 PC builds.

Then it's a bad pick.

[enthusiast29]

4 minutes ago, Juular said:

Then it's a bad pick.

Hi, could you explain a bit on that? It has 100% Japanese caps on it and a 10 yr warranty so I was assuming it's some good.

[Juular]

4 minutes ago, enthusiast29 said:

Hi, could you explain a bit on that? It has 100% Japanese caps on it and a 10 yr warranty so I was assuming it's some good.

Capacitors aren't the only thing that matters, it's a low quality unit, that's why it fails 100V burn-in.

[enthusiast29]

18 minutes ago, Juular said:

Capacitors aren't the only thing that matters, it's a low quality unit, that's why it fails 100V burn-in.

Right, I agree but if that's the only thing to be concerned about I don't think it matters to me a lot since I won't be using it at that voltage ever. Also in my initial post I asked for any other disadvantages and differences between this and the non-V2L version than this difference which I already pointed out initially. Anyways, thanks for the reply but maybe someone else can highlight more on this if it's really that a bad unit overall.

IMO if it was that low quality makes me question why would the brand offer 10 year warranty on this...

[LukeSavenije]

3 hours ago, enthusiast29 said:

Is it otherwise same as the non V2L version which is in Tier A?

The v1 is based off the CWT GPU platform also used in Bitfenix Whisper and Enermax Revolution DF. The v2 is based off the CWT GPX platform, essentially a costdown of said platform.

 

Because of it being lower quality it's indeed not able to handle a low-voltage burn-in test as shown at Corsair where they put GPX under their RM/RMx burn-in test and failed 3/3 times on the same component. Because of the lower quality parts it's also a lot louder than the v1, isn't as efficient and so on.

 

In almost every single way, DQ-M-V2L is a downgrade from DQ-M

[enthusiast29]

25 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

The v1 is based off the CWT GPU platform also used in Bitfenix Whisper and Enermax Revolution DF. The v2 is based off the CWT GPX platform, essentially a costdown of said platform.

 

Because of it being lower quality it's indeed not able to handle a low-voltage burn-in test as shown at Corsair where they put GPX under their RM/RMx burn-in test and failed 3/3 times on the same component. Because of the lower quality parts it's also a lot louder than the v1, isn't as efficient and so on.

 

In almost every single way, DQ-M-V2L is a downgrade from DQ-M

Thanks for a detailed explanation. Loudness on load is not a problem for me. So, essentially if I was to get this PSU for 90-100$ is that a bad purchase? I know that I'm running only at 220-240V in my country so lower than 110V is never a scenario for me. Since this is comparable to RM/RMx which costs a LOT more here and additionally a 10 year warranty is a bonus for me. I just want it to last at least 7 years, 3-4 years now then one more PC build with components drawing in 650W range on max load.

[Guest]

Where does this fall on the tier list?  

 

https://fpmax1018.en.made-in-china.com/product/bwEnxhOcXgVW/China-Full-Modular-Power-Supply-ATX-Switching-Power-Supply-ATX-Power-Supply-80plus-Bronze-Gaming-Power-Supply-RGB-Power-Supply-Cm850-85plus.html

 

[Guest]

9 hours ago, enthusiast29 said:

Thanks for a detailed explanation. Loudness on load is not a problem for me. So, essentially if I was to get this PSU for 90-100$ is that a bad purchase? I know that I'm running only at 220-240V in my country so lower than 110V is never a scenario for me. Since this is comparable to RM/RMx which costs a LOT more here and additionally a 10 year warranty is a bonus for me. I just want it to last at least 7 years, 3-4 years now then one more PC build with components drawing in 650W range on max load.

No offense, but four posts in this thread dedicated to your particular scenario is the reason it says:

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For help choosing a power supply please Create a New Thread asking for assistance including your budget and system hardware to receive the best answers relevant to your specific needs.

At the top of this thread.

[Juular]

35 minutes ago, jonnyGURU said:

Where does this fall on the tier list? 

No higher than tier C if it's indeed DC-DC but it's hard to rank it without any internal shots, looking through the fan grille it looks generic as shit.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Juular said:

No higher than tier C if it's indeed DC-DC but it's hard to rank it without any internal shots, looking through the fan grille it looks generic as shit.

I'm sort of joking.  Just stumbled upon that today.

 

Given the blatent Corsair ID rip off and the fake "85 PLUS Bronze", I doubt anything on that label is correct.

 

The video is cool.  Though that factory has no sign of any Chroma test stations and not everyone was wearing a static wrist brand.

 

Also, see how they were building QDion PSUs? This is FSP's "developing country brand" (the same video is actually found here, even with the same FPMAX watermark:  https://www.fsp-power.ru/.  That definitely knocks FSP down my personal list by a couple pegs.

 

[juanme555]

Are these 2 Tier B?

 

https://compragamer.com/producto/fuente_sentey_sdp550_ss_550w_solid_power_80_plus_1987

https://compragamer.com/producto/fuente_sentey_sdp650_fx_650w_solid_power_80_plus_9116

[Elisis]

4 hours ago, jonnyGURU said:

Given the blatent Corsair ID rip off and the fake "85 PLUS Bronze", I doubt anything on that label is correct.

Don't forget the Seasonic ripoff-looking box!

[Leisor]

So the Bitfenix Whisper 750M is easy to recommend for a RTX 3080 system?

[Juular]

11 hours ago, jonnyGURU said:

IAlso, see how they were building QDion PSUs? This is FSP's "developing country brand" (the same video is actually found here, even with the same FPMAX watermark:  https://www.fsp-power.ru/.  That definitely knocks FSP down my personal list by a couple pegs.

Oh, i was wondering if QDion is actually FSP brand or not, since they don't seem to be using FSP as OEM exclusively.

[Wilders]

Hello guys ! 

 

I've just joined the forum to talk about my case : I followed this Tier List and bought a Corsair HX1200 80+ Platinum.

 

I've received the unit and tried to install it. Worked once, then MOBO not POSTing, stuck on CPU led. Tried minimal install.. etc nothing works. Tried for 20 hours in 3 days.

 

Anyway, I found this link : What to do if your system does not power on when using an HX1200 or HX1200i – Corsair from the official Corsair Support Website. (I searched similar cases for 3 hours on internet and finally I got the answer: my unit is in the range of non-working unit).

 

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The affected units are within the lot codes 2030XXXX and 2041XXXX.

 

If you got the same problem, just open a ticket and ask to replace your unit. Hopefully they'll answer. Do not try more to get it to work. It won't.

 

I opened a ticket on the December 28th, 2020. Still waiting my advanced RMA on January 5th, 2021........ I said multiple times on the ticket that I needed it ASAP. But they don't have any HX1200 in stock, and offered me an AX1000i. I said yes but that's now 3 days that I'm waiting an answer.

 

Paid a premium PSU 300€ to get a non working out of the box unit. GREAT.