Sapphire Nitro+ VS. Power Color Red Devil

[redbread123]

Alright my finaly two contenders are these two cards (title), Price is not a factor as I found them both for 439.99. I am going to be overclocking them and I am wondering which has better reliability, cooling, and performance. I don't care about noise. thanks

[SliceT]

They seem to be the best of the Navi crop indeed.

I would say they are pretty much matching, a tad better temperatures (not much) on the nitro where the Red Devil has way less agressive fan profile, meaning they are more quiet at the expense of a couple of degrees.

One word of advice, there's not much oc headroom on these cards, both Sapphire and PowerColor like the others it's all about the Asic quality above all.

[driftz240]

50 minutes ago, SliceT said:

They seem to be the best of the Navi crop indeed.

I would say they are pretty much matching, a tad better temperatures (not much) on the nitro where the Red Devil has way less agressive fan profile, meaning they are more quiet at the expense of a couple of degrees.

One word of advice, there's not much oc headroom on these cards, both Sapphire and PowerColor like the others it's all about the Asic quality above all.

Im personally biased towards the red devil as i think its the sexiest looking of all the current models... also i bought it so im kind of inclined to like it lol.

[SliceT]

Just now, driftz240 said:

Im personally biased towards the red devil as i think its the sexiest looking of all the current models... also i bought it so im kind of inclined to like it lol.

Yea it's very personal the looks. I also think their RGB is better looking than Sapphires.

[redbread123]

53 minutes ago, SliceT said:

They seem to be the best of the Navi crop indeed.

I would say they are pretty much matching, a tad better temperatures (not much) on the nitro where the Red Devil has way less agressive fan profile, meaning they are more quiet at the expense of a couple of degrees.

One word of advice, there's not much oc headroom on these cards, both Sapphire and PowerColor like the others it's all about the Asic quality above all.

What does ASIC quality mean?

[driftz240]

2 hours ago, redbread123 said:

What does ASIC quality mean?

Not 100% sure but from my heavy research of 10 seconds of googling, it looks to be an overall quality of the chip... maybe... higher the better tho...

2 hours ago, SliceT said:

Yea it's very personal the looks. I also think their RGB is better looking than Sapphires.

yeah it looks alot better imo lol. Also tfw you buy a 5700xt then 2 weeks later they let new buyers get a free game (had nothing to do with the topic, i just needed to vent )

[GamerDude]

If everything about the two cards are the same (that is, warranty, ease of RMA, etc) then it boils down to personal preference. When it comes to AMD GPU's in my neck of the woods, and between these two, I'd go for PowerColor Red Devil series (have the VEGA64 Red Devil in my main PC) simply because Sapphire offers two years warranty here, whereas PC offers three years warranty.

[dgsddfgdfhgs]

sapphire do have best reputation at amd cards and also great fan service

and specifically nitro is launched a few weeks late, I assume it has better quality check / bugs fixed etc 

[SliceT]

10 hours ago, dgsddfgdfhgs said:

sapphire do have best reputation at amd cards and also great fan service

and specifically nitro is launched a few weeks late, I assume it has better quality check / bugs fixed etc 

That's usually not the case, bugs is on the software side, not on the hardware side.
Might happen on motherboards, they get better over time because they have a very complex bios that needs a lot of tweaking for everything to work well together, but not the case on graphics cards.

[dgsddfgdfhgs]

17 hours ago, SliceT said:

bugs is on the software side, not on the hardware side.

at least they dont have the fan curve bug unlike powercolor & others

[191x7]

The PowerColor Red Devil has the second best VRM. The Sapphire Nitro+ has a worse VRM than the refference card (which is like the 4th or 5th best VRM design on a Navi card). Both have great cooling. Looking at the boards, I'd choose the Red Devil over the Nitro+.

[Pauleft]

On 10/2/2019 at 10:07 PM, dgsddfgdfhgs said:

sapphire do have best reputation at amd cards and also great fan service

and specifically nitro is launched a few weeks late, I assume it has better quality check / bugs fixed etc 

Yeah red devil is really sexy but sapphire have the best rep so I would strongly recommend them

[redbread123]

On 10/4/2019 at 3:30 AM, 191x7 said:

The PowerColor Red Devil has the second best VRM. The Sapphire Nitro+ has a worse VRM than the refference card (which is like the 4th or 5th best VRM design on a Navi card). Both have great cooling. Looking at the boards, I'd choose the Red Devil over the Nitro+.

what type of vrm does sapphire have, and what does the red devil have? 

[191x7]

1 hour ago, redbread123 said:

what type of vrm does sapphire have, and what does the red devil have? 

I'd recommend watching Gamers Nexus, Totally Hardcore Overclocking (Buildzoid) and Hardware Unboxed.

[circeseye]

im sold on the nitro series, cool and quiet, no issues. power color on the other hand, need better build quality...2 different cards and had heat issues..turns out was poor thermal paste applied (barely half the gpu had any). then had their fans fail.

[MarvinKMooney]

On 10/2/2019 at 4:28 PM, redbread123 said:

What does ASIC quality mean?

The lower the ASIC quality is, the higher the voltage leakage is, which in THEORY results in worse voltage response thus worse overclocks.

 

AFAIK there is no REAL proof in it making it worse or better for overclocking just makes it more "Power efficient" due to less leakage if the ASIC score is higher

[Princess Luna]

On 10/2/2019 at 8:28 PM, redbread123 said:

What does ASIC quality mean?

ASIC isn't a thing anymore... it was a method to testify how pure the silicon on the processing unit itself was... so a quality measurement.

 

But even back in the day when you could check this value it already was sketchy on how reliable of an information it was and sometimes you'd have worse ASIC rated cards still clocking higher than others so both nVidia and AMD no longer provides means to get to this information.

[redbread123]

the thing is I wanted to get the nitro+ because of trixx boost software which was radeon image sharpening so I could get free performance by downscaling and using the sharpening feature in trixx, or can I do this with any 5700 xt?

[Mathieu9836]

3 minutes ago, redbread123 said:

the thing is I wanted to get the nitro+ because of trixx boost software which was radeon image sharpening so I could get free performance by downscaling and using the sharpening feature in trixx, or can I do this with any 5700 xt?

Sharpening is AMD stuff, not Asus. Even the RX and Vega have the image sharpening features in the last radeon update.

 

Get the cheapest or your favorite of those two GPUs, they are both very good.

[redbread123]

7 minutes ago, Mathieu9836 said:

Sharpening is AMD stuff, not Asus. Even the RX and Vega have the image sharpening features in the last radeon update.

 

Get the cheapest or your favorite of those two GPUs, they are both very good.

so if i set the game resolution to lets say 85% of screen res and set image sharpening I get near same quality, with the performance boost, same as if I were to do it with the trixx boost

[Mathieu9836]

All this can be done through Radeon Adrenaline with any AMD card.

 

[redbread123]

5 minutes ago, Mathieu9836 said:

All this can be done through Radeon Adrenaline with any AMD card.

 

thanks

[GamerDude]

7 hours ago, circeseye said:

im sold on the nitro series, cool and quiet, no issues. power color on the other hand, need better build quality...2 different cards and had heat issues..turns out was poor thermal paste applied (barely half the gpu had any). then had their fans fail.

I thought it was the MSI card that had the poorly applied Thermal paste/pads applied, where're the links to these PowerColor issues? I have the VEGA 64 Red Devil and it's one magnificent card, under full load, it hovers at about 73C max (highest I've seen it),,,,,and VEGA64's are knoew to run hot.

[circeseye]

no link..it was actually seen by me. after 2 different cards with same qualtiy issues i quit buying powercolor