Intel less cores defeats AMD more cores

[Turtle Rig]

On a lot of benchies I have seen the 2990 Thread Ripper 32 core loses to Intel 18 core HEDT.  Then we wonder why its more expensive.  It does lose on some benchies but I don't know how relevant that is.

 

We get excited about more cores from Ryzen and pay less but lose to the more expensive less cores Intel and what not.

 

So WTF, who cares about Ryzen cores, it is not the same as if it were Intel cores.  So I pay less get more cores just to hang with a more expensive less core Intel ? wtf  I guess it is what it is!

[kelvinhall05]

Yeah, cause I bet those "benchies" were single-threaded tests. Try something like Cinebench and I bet the Threadripper will wipe the floor with the Intel chip.

 

 

EDIT: What's the exact Intel chip? I wanna look up some benchies.

[Cyberspirit]

What kind of benchmark was this? Maybe it didn't take advantage of all the extra cores or, maybe it favored higher core clocks.

[Norwegiantweaker]

sounds like Turle 

[Stormseeker9]

Yeah.. maybe single core.. definitely not multi core.

 

do you also have any links to this ?

[Turtle Rig]

3 minutes ago, kelvinhall05 said:

Yeah, cause I bet those "benchies" were single-threaded tests. Try something like Cinebench and I bet the Threadripper will wipe the floor with the Intel chip.

You are right.  How relevant is Cinebench to real world multi threaded HT apps ?

[kelvinhall05]

5 hours ago, Turtle Rig said:

You are right.  How relevant is Cinebench to real world multi threaded HT apps ?

For things like rendering, I think the Ryzen would be better, but I'm not quite sure.

 

 

Did you see my edit about what Intel chip it is? Do you have a model number?

[Slottr]

1 minute ago, Turtle Rig said:

You are right.  How relevant is Cinebench to real world multi threaded HT apps ?

Very, that's why it's a highly used benchmark.

[Turtle Rig]

5 minutes ago, Stormseeker9 said:

Yeah.. maybe single core.. definitely not multi core.

 

do you also have any links to this ?

Yes here is the link

Leaked Benchies 3700 and 3900 vs the world  "I don't condone leaked tho lol"

 

In Handbrake the 9980XE wins the TR.  But I guess like Slottr guru said Cinebench is what we want here not a game or handbrake. 

 

[mariushm]

6 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

On a lot of benchies I have seen the 2990 Thread Ripper 32 core loses to Intel 18 core HEDT.  Then we wonder why its more expensive.  It does lose on some benchies but I don't know how relevant that is.

 

We get excited about more cores from Ryzen and pay less but lose to the more expensive less cores Intel and what not.

 

So WTF, who cares about Ryzen cores, it is not the same as if it were Intel cores.  So I pay less get more cores just to hang with a more expensive less core Intel ? wtf  I guess it is what it is!

Even if that's the case which I doubt, you should ask yourself what's the performance per watt? What's the power consumption of the 18 core HEDT? 

 

The 32 core Threadripper may consume 250-300w while the 18core HEDT may consume 4-500 watts under some loads.... and the Threadripper costs less and gives you more pci-e lanes (60) and more flexibility and so on...

[Turtle Rig]

1 minute ago, mariushm said:

Even if that's the case which I doubt, you should ask yourself what's the performance per watt? What's the power consumption of the 18 core HEDT? 

 

The 32 core Threadripper may consume 250-300w while the 18core HEDT may consume 4-500 watts under some loads.... and the Threadripper costs less and gives you more pci-e lanes (60) and more flexibility and so on...

Yes TR is viable I hear you, just very pointless for strict gaming machines with a bit of video editing and photo editing and all the other jazz you do on your rig and what not.

[WereCatf]

4 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

You are right.  How relevant is Cinebench to real world multi threaded HT apps ?

It is relevant because it showcases a rendering-workload; Blender, POV-Ray etc. the Threadripper completely destroys Intel's offerings, for example. There are plenty of cases where Intel's offerings are better just as there are plenty of cases where AMD's offerings are better.

[flibberdipper]

4 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Yes TR is viable I hear you, just very pointless for strict gaming machines with a bit of video editing and photo editing and all the other jazz you do on your rig and what not.

If you're the type of dumbass to invest in TR primarily for gaming, you deserve to get worse performance.

[Firewrath9]

at microcenter 9980XE is 1800$, 2990WX is 1500$

[Turtle Rig]

2 minutes ago, flibberdipper said:

If you're the type of dumbass to invest in TR primarily for gaming, you deserve to get worse performance.

My rig is not meant for gaming which is why were even talking about HEDT machines and lots of cores.  I realize a 6 core 8700k or 9900k is all you need for gaming and your set.  Also other things on the computer will be super fast.

 

Since Im using HT app I just want to know how it will get handled.  I see 7-zip benches and HandBrake and Cinebench and as I was told on this thread Cinebench is very relevant.  In that case the TR takes over.  Ive thought about waiting for the Zen 2 TR but that might be too many cores for me.  Ive thought about waiting for the 16 core Ryzen in September.  The 12 core Ryzen is showing promise.  Im not concerened if games are slower,, that is ok 10 fps less in a area of map is ok if in return I get the cores to use my HT app and what not.

[Turtle Rig]

2 minutes ago, Firewrath9 said:

at microcenter 9980XE is 1800$, 2990WX is 1500$

Wow that is a 400 dollar price drop!  Thanks for the info.

[WereCat]

Are you talking about the same benchmarks where the 32core TR lost to a 16core TR because of scheduling issues on WIndows?

[Turtle Rig]

5 minutes ago, WereCat said:

Are you talking about the same benchmarks where the 32core TR lost to a 16core TR because of scheduling issues on WIndows?

The link is up above and No, there is no 16core TR in these benchies.

[GoldenLag]

Windows sqedualler bug with the 32 core. 

 

This has been known for a very long time.

 

Also its certain workloads. 

Also some workloads dont use all the cores.

Also the 2990wx has been lower priced since launch day. (Compared to 18 core offerings)

 

 

Also you seem to do clickbait headlines with no research put into them. Then explaiming in hyperboles. Then gets disproven 5 min in. Instead of creating clickbait, just ask questions. 

[GoldenLag]

18 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Wow that is a 400 dollar price drop!  Thanks for the info.

Its been like this since launch........ 2990wx was either equally priced or lower.

 

5 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

The link is up above and No, there is no 16core TR in these benchies.

And most of them are the result of sqedualler bug with Windows. 

 

There are offcourse workloads where the 2990wx isnt great. Not everything pro wants tok many cores, nor is made to handle that many. 

[Turtle Rig]

3 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Windows sqedualler bug with the 32 core. 

 

This has been known for a very long time.

 

Also its certain workloads. 

Also some workloads dont use all the cores.

Also the 2990wx has been lower priced since launch day. (Compared to 18 core offerings)

 

 

Also you seem to do clickbait headlines with no research put into them. Then explaiming in hyperboles. Then gets disproven 5 min in. Instead of creating clickbait, just ask questions. 

Well sorry, but I didn't even know where to begin trying to figure out why less core beats high cores on some multi threaded tests.  9980XE just loses in Cinebench and I wanted to see how it is in HT APP compared to the beast TR 32c.  Again sorry if I bothered you with this thread.

[GoldenLag]

22 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Ive thought about waiting for the Zen 2 TR but that might be too many cores for me

Then buy less cores........ You dont need to buy the top skew......

 

Also windows sqedualler fix is being/has been implemented. Dont know how it affects the oddball case of the 2990wx. 

[Turtle Rig]

Just now, GoldenLag said:

Then buy less cores........ You dont need to buy the top skew......

 

Also windows sqedualler fix is being/has been implemented. Dont know how it affects the oddball case of the 2990wx. 

Good info GoldenLag guru!  I didn't even know about this sqedualler bug.  Ya I think my future is a 12 core Ryzen that is plenty for me, Funny thing is I don't even do video rendering so it will be fine for my DAW for a life time.  I mean Im not complaining now so ya well see tomorrow how things go.

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

Again sorry if I bothered you with this thread.

Create all the threads you want.

 

Just ask questions, dont state things as if they are facts that you did. In the OP

51 minutes ago, Turtle Rig said:

We get excited about more cores from Ryzen and pay less but lose to the more expensive less cores Intel and what not.

 

So WTF, who cares about Ryzen cores, it is not the same as if it were Intel cores.  So I pay less get more cores just to hang with a more expensive less core Intel ? wtf  I guess it is what it is!

Like here where you reached your own conclusion without actually asking a propper question.

 

 

The tl;dr to the question you should have asked:

 

The 2990wx is a niche product with good performance. It doesnt have the createst singlethreaded performance. As such not every software likes it.

 

Hence the 2950x being the preffered CPU. 

 

Also the 2990wx has suffered massivly under windows sqedualling issues where the 32 core is seen as an 8 core 64 thread instead of a 32 core 64 thread CPU.

[aisle9]

1 hour ago, Turtle Rig said:

On a lot of benchies I have seen the 2990 Thread Ripper 32 core loses to Intel 18 core HEDT.  Then we wonder why its more expensive.  It does lose on some benchies but I don't know how relevant that is.

 

We get excited about more cores from Ryzen and pay less but lose to the more expensive less cores Intel and what not.

 

So WTF, who cares about Ryzen cores, it is not the same as if it were Intel cores.  So I pay less get more cores just to hang with a more expensive less core Intel ? wtf  I guess it is what it is!

For a workload that's heavily skewed towards productivity and content creation, Threadripper is an extremely competitive offering in terms of price and performance. If your workload is primarily gaming, or even a 50/50 load, why the hell would you even consider the high core count CPUs over a much more cost-effective 9700K?