From Garbage can to glorified cheese grater and all for a mere $50K

[SeraphicWings]

1 minute ago, Arika S said:

as much as i dislike Apple, this product isn't for consumers, so i don't know why people are going absolutely insane over it.

Because it has Apple logo? I mean, every recent Apple releases there has to be some sort of hateful / sarcastic opinions about it.

But the $999 stand is obviously a meme at this point

[PlayStation 2]

It's absolutely hilarious to see people tremor trying to trash what Apple's offering at the very high end with the Mac Pro.

For what it's really worth, they're offering a pretty decent deal. Frankly, especially if you're getting the maxed out amount of RAM, then it starts to make a lot more sense to get a Mac Pro rather than aiming for anything else. That being said, it sounds stupid to us because we aren't really the audience for PCs with this kind of memory. Movie studios would definitely love that amount of RAM to play around with.

 

Is this expensive? Well, duh. Would I be the target audience for it? No, I can get my shit done on something exponentially cheaper. But I'm also not one who'd come close to taking advantage of any workstation to a respectable degree, much less a Mac Pro or a Dell Precision configured a similar way.

[mr moose]

22 minutes ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

It's absolutely hilarious to see people tremor trying to trash what Apple's offering at the very high end with the Mac Pro.

For what it's really worth, they're offering a pretty decent deal. Frankly, especially if you're getting the maxed out amount of RAM, then it starts to make a lot more sense to get a Mac Pro rather than aiming for anything else. That being said, it sounds stupid to us because we aren't really the audience for PCs with this kind of memory. Movie studios would definitely love that amount of RAM to play around with.

 

Is this expensive? Well, duh. Would I be the target audience for it? No, I can get my shit done on something exponentially cheaper. But I'm also not one who'd come close to taking advantage of any workstation to a respectable degree, much less a Mac Pro or a Dell Precision configured a similar way.

 

Also people are treating this like it's the same as the entry level garbage can from years ago.  While I haven't looked into this completely, The garbage can had some rebranded low end firepro's pretending to be top end while this outright shows you what you are getting (R7's).   

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, mr moose said:

The garbage can had some rebranded low end firepro's pretending to be top end while this outright shows you what you are getting (R7's).   

These aren't VII's. They're Vega IIs, each die is a fully unlocked counterpart to the VII, and more RAM.

[mr moose]

2 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

These aren't VII's. They're Vega IIs, each die is a fully unlocked counterpart to the VII, and more RAM.

My Bad, I saw II and read VII.   I am assuming they are better? In which case it highlights the difference of the two even further.

[Drak3]

Just now, mr moose said:

I am assuming they are better? In which case it highlights the difference of the two even further.

VII is 60CUs, 16GB RAM.

Vega II is 64CUs, 32GB RAM, Vega II also comes in single and dual GPU card flavors.

[D13H4RD]

Some people will go into the Apple sux circlejerk even when Apple finally grows a brain cell and delivers a product that's actually worthy of attention. 

 

The only thing so far that's a meme with the Mac Pro is the $999 stand for the $4999 XDR monitor. I'm sorry, but that's just bloody outrageous. 

[Happycowdance]

For the top spec configurations apples pricing isn't that much of a rip off and appeals greatly to companies doing professional work (due to the fact that they are ordering from a large company rather than having matt the tech guy build it for a bit cheaper). 

 

The monitor is also excellent as it can cost up to tens of thousands of dollars for a good reference monitor so it will obviously appeal to companies and people looking to get into the work (999 for a stand is ridiculous tho and the 129 for the literal metal plate with wholes in it is also a rip off)

 

The lower end models of the mac pro make bascally no sense as it is basically 6000 for

• a cpu that is bascally a 9900k 8 c 16t at a lower clockspeed
• cool mobo i guess
• ecc memory
• 256gigs (my laptop has more stoarge)
• a 580
• a big psu

This item is intended mostly for the professional workforce and actually when you look at current offerings isnt even that awful of a deal so i dont see why everyone is making a huge fuss about this

[Pasi123]

What kind of warranty and support the Mac Pro has? HP and Dell have 3 year on-site warranty service for their workstations.

 

 

Dell workstations:

 

HP workstations:

[RoseLuck462]

I wish had even a hobby that would require specs that high, lol

[mr moose]

1 hour ago, D13H4RD said:

Some people will go into the Apple sux circlejerk even when Apple finally grows a brain cell and delivers a product that's actually worthy of attention. 

 

The only thing so far that's a meme with the Mac Pro is the $999 stand for the $4999 XDR monitor. I'm sorry, but that's just bloody outrageous. 

I agree about the stand,  but from what I used to know about production monitors, like audio monitors, reference gear costs an extraordinary amount because the attention to detail and quality is substantial and the market is small.   Just like specialist reference books for science researchers.

[kaiju_wars]

4 hours ago, Arika S said:

as much as i dislike Apple, this product isn't for consumers, so i don't know why people are going absolutely insane over it.

It's Apple.

If Dell, or HP, or any other OEM, released a product spec'ed out like this/with these specs (like Dell has, as been mentioned previously in this thread) no one would give a shit.  They'd either not comment or they'd be like, "cool, super powerful machine."

 

[Arika]

9 minutes ago, kaiju_wars said:

If Dell, or HP, or any other OEM, released a product spec'ed out like this/with these specs (like Dell has, as been mentioned previously in this thread) no one would give a shit.  They'd either not comment or they'd be like, "cool, super powerful machine."

 

probably wouldn't even be posted here

[D13H4RD]

1 hour ago, mr moose said:

I agree about the stand,  but from what I used to know about production monitors, like audio monitors, reference gear costs an extraordinary amount because the attention to detail and quality is substantial and the market is small.   Just like specialist reference books for science researchers.

The monitor is fine. I've known that such reference monitors cost a lot and assuming these claims hold up, the Apple display is actually not too pricey in the grand scheme of things. 

 

But that stand. Just GTFOutta here with that. Hell, if the monitor was just $5999 with the stand, they likely wouldn't have got the scorn 

[RasmusDC]

the stand of the monitor is a rip off, but the price of that monitor actually looks decent, compared to other HIGH GRADE pro monitors, it has a WAY higher resolution, i have yet to see 1600nits monitors with a sustained brightness of 1000 nits, which in my book is just insane.

 

and the color accuracy, and then on top of this you get design, so it does look great in an office enviroment...

 

there so much in that mac pro that is custom, the PCI-X power delivery, if modularity has to be high, a high grade powersupply in every version that supports 2x2 Radeon pro

 

custom GPU. 

 

IT is expensive, but for a company buying, it don´t think it really is a issue,

 

just tried to configure the Workstations that we can get, without a screen, THIS is a DELL 7290

 

Start ved pris

501.809,06 kr.

Samlet besparelse

175.633,17 kr.

Tilbudspris

326.175,89 kr.

Ekskl. moms, fri fragt

 

 

Without discount, the Dell 7290 is 501.809 dkkr, discounted it is 326.175 Dkkr, then add vat 25% = 407.718 = aprox. 67.954 Dollars, WITHOUT a screen for a 28Core workstation.. 

 

so yeah you can assembly something yourself, but buying something custom, from a larger vendor, then this is the price, and that the price with an EXTREME discount, i get nearly 20.000 dollars in discount on that machine before VAT.

 

 

 

 

[jdubya421]

9 hours ago, RasmusDC said:

the stand of the monitor is a rip off, but the price of that monitor actually looks decent, compared to other HIGH GRADE pro monitors

 

 

 

My take on it is that Apple assumes you probably don't want or need the stand. I forget if it was Linus or someone else (maybe Jay? Actually I think it may have been Marques) was talking about how people probably already have a stand that they like. If they want to get an expensive stand they can, but they most likely don't need to. Now, the couple hundred dollar VESA adapter is an absolute joke. I would not be surprised to see 3D printing sites flooded with designs to give you VESA for free. 

[Drak3]

@D13H4RD @kaiju_wars @Arika S Keep in mind, this is the first new Mac Pro since 2013. Dell and HP update their counterparts frequently, whereas there were MANY Apple users pining for this. This alone merits the news over the new cheese grater.

[kaiju_wars]

2 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

@D13H4RD @kaiju_wars @Arika S Keep in mind, this is the first new Mac Pro since 2013. Dell and HP update their counterparts frequently, whereas there were MANY Apple users pining for this. This alone merits the news over the new cheese grater.

Well yes.  I'm only saying people are bitching cause it is Apple.  It's news worthy cause it's been so long since they updated the Mac Pro... I personally just don't think it's bitch worthy.

[Drak3]

Just now, kaiju_wars said:

Well yes.  I'm only saying people are bitching cause it is Apple.  It's news worthy cause it's been so long since they updated the Mac Pro... I personally just don't think it's bitch worthy.

I'm just waiting for it to be released to reserve judgement. Personally hoped that there would have been an offering closer to the $3K mark, but oh well.

[kaiju_wars]

1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

I'm just waiting for it to be released to reserve judgement. Personally hoped that there would have been an offering closer to the $3K mark, but oh well.

I can agree with that sentiment.  I know what audience Apple was trying to hit, and I know I'd probably never need 1.5TB of freaking ram.  Nor the power of two Vega II GPUs.

[Drak3]

Just now, kaiju_wars said:

I can agree with that sentiment.  I know what audience Apple was trying to hit, and I know I'd probably never need 1.5TB of freaking ram.  Nor the power of two Vega II GPUs.

I could use the power of the VEGA II for gaming. I just appreciate the slight challenge Mac gaming presents.

[AngryBeaver]

So I just went on dells website and used the custom SERVER configurator. I went with a R940 Power Edge. I tossed in 4 x Xeon Plat 8160's (24c/48t cpus) for a total of 96 cores and 192 threads.

 

I also added a bigger power supply to support them and 46 sticks of 32gb ram for about 1.5TB of ram. I didn't play with raid disks or the like outside of the default.

 

The total for this came to about 58k.

 

Now you might ask WHY I did this comparison. That is because if you really need that kind of horsepower for your tasks it is better to go with a server grab system and then use it via RDP to process those tasks. If you need more GPU power then you toss in a few Quadros. 

 

Now my setup is much more powerful and overkill compared to the Apple machine, but it could easily supply the same amount of power to 3 users which makes it a much cheaper option in the end. All they would need would be a decent laptop to access it for processing. You can actually purchase a tower server with similar better specs than the Mac for much less as well.

 

So just did it for giggles. A T440 Power Edge tower.  With Dual 14c/28T Intel Golds for 28c/56t and 1.5TB of memory would come out to about 36k. Another 1400 for for two Radeon VII puts you at about 38K. Yet you are not stuck with AMD cards and can go with much better compute cards like the Quadro line. The best part is these can be under your desk and don't need you to remote in! For a nice 12K savings and many more options when it comes to upgrades and expansions.

[jdubya421]

28 minutes ago, AngryBeaver said:

So I just went on dells website and used the custom SERVER

Nobody has a 2U+ server on their desk. Like I said earlier in the thread, I have an HP desktop computer that was like 40k+ on my desk. I need that to do my job. We also have 96C/192T machines in our server farm that I use too, but having a local machine to do my work is a god send. There's a market for it.

[The King of the Undead]

2 minutes ago, jdubya421 said:

Nobody has a 2U+ server on their desk. Like I said earlier in the thread, I have an HP desktop computer that was like 40k+ on my desk. I need that to do my job. We also have 96C/192T machines in our server farm that I use too, but having a local machine to do my work is a god send. There's a market for it.

its still a server but it sit on desk!

32 minutes ago, AngryBeaver said:

 

 So just did it for giggles. A T440 Power Edge tower.  With Dual 14c/28T Intel Golds for 28c/56t and 1.5TB of memory would come out to about 36k. Another 1400 for for two Radeon VII puts you at about 38K. Yet you are not stuck with AMD cards and can go with much better compute cards like the Quadro line. The best part is these can be under your desk and don't need you to remote in! For a nice 12K savings and many more options when it comes to upgrades and expansions.

 

[jdubya421]

Just now, will1432 said:

its still a server but it sit on desk!

 

I said 2U server. The form factor is what matters.