Is this PC any good?

[NumLock21]

Just now, r2724r16 said:

That so many people used Hyper 212s in their builds, despite the general consensus (on the LTT forum) being that Hyper 212s are bad CPU coolers.

They will always be a group of people on any forum that thinks certain components are bad and that getting that components means it's a bad build. The group over at THG, they think any single rad aio is crap and one must at least get a dual rad. My advice for you, is to ignore them.

[LukeSavenije]

4 minutes ago, Calvin McCaw said:

so turns out I don’t know as much as I thought I did thank you guys for all the reply’s and with regards on the builds you suggested i’m going to look into it and see which one will be best for me. sorry if my terrible knowledge annoyed any of you

 

Thanks,

Calvin

yeah... it's more complex than just watching some videos sometimes.

 

but after literally thousands of lists you get to know what to choose, so I'm always happy to help

 

quoting is appreciated btw

[LukeSavenije]

22 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

What does that mean, about the 660p?

 

the ssd

[Princess Luna]

10 minutes ago, r2724r16 said:

That so many people used Hyper 212s in their builds, despite the general consensus (on the LTT forum) being that Hyper 212s are bad CPU coolers.

Only the EVO is a bad cooler and that's simply because it's old fashion.

 

the X or Black have extremely improved and quieter fans with small yet welcome improvements on heatsink.

[star_pilot475]

50 minutes ago, r2724r16 said:

That so many people used Hyper 212s in their builds, despite the general consensus (on the LTT forum) being that Hyper 212s are bad CPU coolers.

 

And I was also trying to tell two users that they made a PCPP list with $1400 as the budget when the OP said his budget was £1400.

Yeah they’re different but it’s still gets the point across.

[trevb0t]

12 hours ago, Calvin McCaw said:

so turns out I don’t know as much as I thought I did thank you guys for all the reply’s and with regards on the builds you suggested i’m going to look into it and see which one will be best for me. sorry if my terrible knowledge annoyed any of you

 

Thanks,

Calvin

Generally speaking, the i3 < i5 < i7 < i9 and the same for Ryzen 3 < 5 < 7

Use PCPartpicker to scour that local market and get the best bang for your buck.

 

Rules of thumb:

• Intel beats AMD in single core performance, so for gaming purposes, it's a touch faster
• If you want to overclock, you'll need an unlocked intel chip (K or X series) where all Ryzen CPUs are ready to do so.
• AMD beats Intel in multicore performance, especially at the low end. So if you're doing streaming, video editing, animation, etc. it is generally the victor.
• Your GPU needs depend heavily on the monitor resolution and refresh rate you want to game at, and what titles you want to play.

 

[jerubedo]

1 hour ago, trevb0t said:

Generally speaking, the i3 < i5 < i7 < i9 and the same for Ryzen 3 < 5 < 7

Use PCPartpicker to scour that local market and get the best bang for your buck.

 

Rules of thumb:

• Intel beats AMD in single core performance, so for gaming purposes, it's a touch faster
• If you want to overclock, you'll need an unlocked intel chip (K or X series) where all Ryzen CPUs are ready to do so.
• AMD beats Intel in multicore performance, especially at the low end. So if you're doing streaming, video editing, animation, etc. it is generally the victor.
• Your GPU needs depend heavily on the monitor resolution and refresh rate you want to game at, and what titles you want to play.

 

Just to expand on this a little, for this generation of CPUs:

 

Gaming:

r3<r5 2400g<r5 2600=i3 8100<r5 2600x<r7 2700/x<i5 9400f<i5 9600k<i7 9700k<i9 9900k

 

Premiere Pro:

i3 8100<r3<r5 2400g<i5 9400f<r5 2600<r7 2700<r5 2600x<i7 9700K<r7 2700x< i9 9900K

 

Other Adobe:

r3<r5 2400g<i3 8100<r5 2600<r5 2600x<r7 2700/x<i5 9400f<i5 9600k<i7 9700k<i9 9900k

 

Most other productivity (modeling, rendering, streaming, folding, etc.) In this category there will be exceptions to the rule depending on the application but generally speaking:

i3<r3<i5<r5<i7<r7<i9

[LukeSavenije]

12 minutes ago, jerubedo said:

Gaming:

r3<r5 2400g<r5 2600=i3 8100<r5 2600x<r7 2700/x<i5 9400f<i5 9600k<i7 9700k<i9 9900k

r3<i3<r5=i5f<i5k<r7<i7<i9 you mean?

 

a 8100 isn't even close to the 2600

Edited April 23, 2019 by LukeSavenije

[GoldenLag]

10 minutes ago, jerubedo said:

Gaming:

r3<r5 2400g<r5 2600=i3 8100<r5 2600x<r7 2700/x<i5 9400f<i5 9600k<i7 9700k<i9 9900k

Buying a 4c/4t 7400/8100 is just awful over any 6c/12t CPU. 

 

Also 2600x is either as good or a better choice over the 9400f. The 2600 beating them both in terms of what a person should choose.

[jerubedo]

1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said:

r3<i3<r5<r7<i7<i9 you mean?

 

a 8100 isn't even close to the 2600

Nope, in a vast number of games the I3 8100 trades blows with the 2600. It takes about an even number of wins as the 2600 does. And then the 9400f at stock is able to beat overclocked 2700/2700x/2600x almost across the board with a few outliers. If you'd like some linked data I have plenty as I'm sure you know hahaha. 

[LukeSavenije]

Just now, jerubedo said:

Nope, in a vast number of games the I3 8100 trades blows with the 2600. It takes about an even number of wins as the 2600 does. And then the 9400f at stock is able to beat overclocked 2700/2700x/2600x almost across the board with a few outliers. If you'd like some linked data I have plenty as I'm sure you know hahaha. 

yeah, exept that that csgo run was either superfake or horribly tested in dx8

 

no way a 8700k gets overtaken by a 8700

[jerubedo]

1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

Buying a 4c/4t 7400/8100 is just awful over any 6c/12t CPU. 

 

Also 2600x is either as good or a better choice over the 9400f. The 2600 beating them both in terms of what a person should choose.

A gaming rig is going to be used for gaming, browsing, video watching, email, discord, etc. So the gaming numbers are all that really matters. Nothing productivity is happening that makes use of the extra threads. 

[Herman Mcpootis]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  (£207.98 @ Aria PC) 
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H5 Universal 65 CFM CPU Cooler  (£44.99 @ AWD-IT) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME X370-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£80.46 @ Ebuyer) check with ebuyer if bios is updated.
Memory: Kingston - HyperX Predator RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (£101.43 @ Box Limited) 
Storage: Crucial - P1 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£63.38 @ CCL Computers) 
Storage: Toshiba - P300 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£48.95 @ Amazon UK) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB WINDFORCE Video Card  (£636.10 @ More Computers) 
Case: Corsair - SPEC-DELTA RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  (£57.98 @ CCL Computers) 
Power Supply: Corsair - TXM Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£79.00 @ AWD-IT) 
Total: £1320.27
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-23 10:45 BST+0100

[jerubedo]

13 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

yeah, exept that that csgo run was either superfake or horribly tested in dx8

 

no way a 8700k gets overtaken by a 8700

Yeah, as I did previously note that one test was indeed bad. These, however, paint the picture. The first one is a stock 2600 vs 9400f, the second one is an OCed 2600x vs the 9400f. None of the below charts are cherry picked, either. The original articles only have the 2600/x and 2700/x winning in like 4 games of 22 total:

 

[LukeSavenije]

2 minutes ago, jerubedo said:

Yeah, as I did previously note that one test was indeed bad. These, however, paint the picture. The first one is a stock 2600 vs 9400f, the second one is an OCed 2600x vs the 9400f:

you're disproving your own point here

 

2600 trades blows with a 9400f and 8400, not a 8100

[jerubedo]

Just now, LukeSavenije said:

2600 trades blows with a 9400f and 8400

No, it gets crushed for the most part.

 

Here's the i3 vs r5 data:

 

As you can see, in just over half the games the 8100 pulls ahead. They are about functionally even.

[GoldenLag]

12 minutes ago, jerubedo said:

A gaming rig is going to be used for gaming, browsing, video watching, email, discord, etc. So the gaming numbers are all that really matters. Nothing productivity is happening that makes use of the extra threads. 

chough

Every core i5 4c/4t

chough

 

You end up paying for nothing extra while suffering in the long run. Which is allready showing in games that can use a lot of threads where the 9400f and other non-ht CPUs start to suffer in their 0,1%. Aka the metric that is equivelent to stutter

[jerubedo]

3 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

chough

Every core i5 4c/4t

chough

 

You end up paying for nothing extra while suffering in the long run. Which is allready showing in games that can use a lot of threads where the 9400f and other non-ht CPUs start to suffer in their 0,1%. Aka the metric that is equivelent to stutter

Actually that first video did test 1% and 0.1% lows and the 9400F still won on that metric, too, and by a large margin.

[GoldenLag]

30 minutes ago, jerubedo said:

Actually that first video did test 1% and 0.1% lows and the 9400F still won on that metric, too, and by a large margin.

had a look through. another issue with the 9400f is limited memmory support which hits it in randomly games. unlike the 9400f the 2600/x doesnt have massive 0,1 lows that isnt related to the overall performance. 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-9400F 2.9 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($167.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: ASRock - B365M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($83.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2800 Memory  ($69.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $321.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-23 06:32 EDT-0400

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($179.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock - B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($69.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: GeIL - EVO SPEAR 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($74.99 @ Newegg Business) 
Total: $324.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-23 06:32 EDT-0400

 

price is more or less identical depending on the Ram frequency you end up buying and avoiding the trap of non-ht that "old" core i5 CPUs suffered is much worth it over a same or slightly higher framerate. 

 

remember you need a B365 or Z390 board to ensure BIOS compatiblity. 

 

edit: that is not mentioning the intel box cooler. 

[LukeSavenije]

59 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

edit: that is not mentioning the intel box cooler. 

and the fact that a 1600 can be had around 50 bucks with a motherboard at microcentre stores

[Stefan Payne]

3 hours ago, GoldenLag said:

Buying a 4c/4t 7400/8100 is just awful over any 6c/12t CPU. 

 

Also 2600x is either as good or a better choice over the 9400f. The 2600 beating them both in terms of what a person should choose.

I agree with that.

Especially with the heatsink in da Box...

3 hours ago, jerubedo said:

Nope, in a vast number of games the I3 8100 trades blows with the 2600. It takes about an even number of wins as the 2600 does.

But not all are to be rated equally.

125fps instead of 110fps average is just irrelevant for most people.

 

48min/57 avg. vs 49/65 vs. Ryzen 2400G or 60/74 for the 1600X or 66/81 for the 2600X in Assasin's Creed Odyssey is relevant as that is where it counts. Where it goes from somewhat playable to really well playable.

 

The high FPS shit is of no interest for most people...

[jerubedo]

5 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

and the fact that a 1600 can be had around 50 bucks with a motherboard at microcentre stores

Well yeah, no one can argue that value proposition. In the case of having a Microcenter near you the 1600 is an undeniable value proposition. 

[jerubedo]

7 hours ago, GoldenLag said:

had a look through. another issue with the 9400f is limited memmory support which hits it in randomly games. unlike the 9400f the 2600/x doesnt have massive 0,1 lows that isnt related to the overall performance. 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-9400F 2.9 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($167.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: ASRock - B365M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($83.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2800 Memory  ($69.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $321.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-23 06:32 EDT-0400

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($179.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock - B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($69.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: GeIL - EVO SPEAR 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($74.99 @ Newegg Business) 
Total: $324.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-23 06:32 EDT-0400

 

price is more or less identical depending on the Ram frequency you end up buying and avoiding the trap of non-ht that "old" core i5 CPUs suffered is much worth it over a same or slightly higher framerate. 

 

remember you need a B365 or Z390 board to ensure BIOS compatiblity. 

 

edit: that is not mentioning the intel box cooler. 

This is more the comparison I'd make:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i5-9400F 2.9 GHz 6-Core Processor	$167.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard	Gigabyte - Z390 UD ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$114.89 @ OutletPC
Memory	ADATA - XPG GAMMIX D10 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$77.99 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$360.87
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-23 13:31 EDT-0400

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$179.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock - B450 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard	$79.99 @ OutletPC
Memory	ADATA - XPG GAMMIX D10 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$77.99 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$337.97
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-23 13:33 EDT-0400

That Pro4 (ATX sized) is on a great sale right now, though. It's normally $100, making the price difference usually only $3.00.

[trevb0t]

My only deal in this battle is that a locked Intel CPU is only ever going to give you what it can. Some older gen CPUs have shown great longevity, but it's the ones you can feel out in overclocking. 

If the argument was for an unlocked Intel winning each round at the same pricing, I cant argue that value. 

 

We haven't had Ryzen long enough to compare it to a 3770k in long term use (and the AMD offerings didnt show much lifespan at that point,) but I would say it's a safe bet to assume it's at least going to give Intel's unlocked chips a run for their money as a few years pass here, since most of the lower end unlocks still aren't Hyperthreaded for the pricing. 

The first gen is still trading blows for a high value, so it's been promising thus far. 

 

I think if you want some longevity (speculation here) the Ryzen is still going to prove a higher value to the unlocked chips. 

 

At current pricing, I like the 2600X for value. 

 

@jerubedo has certainly got me looking more at the price competitors lately, though. Nothing is cut and dry. 

[GoldenLag]

11 minutes ago, jerubedo said:

This is more the comparison I'd make:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i5-9400F 2.9 GHz 6-Core Processor	$167.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard	Gigabyte - Z390 UD ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$114.89 @ OutletPC
Memory	ADATA - XPG GAMMIX D10 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$77.99 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$360.87
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-23 13:31 EDT-0400

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$179.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	ASRock - B450 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard	$79.99 @ OutletPC
Memory	ADATA - XPG GAMMIX D10 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$77.99 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$337.97
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-23 13:33 EDT-0400

That Pro4 (ATX sized) is on a great sale right now, though. It's normally $100, making the price difference usually only $3.00.

yeah i was looking at making the price as close as possible for the intel CPU while not having to update the BIOS. you save a bit on the 2800mhz Ram and B365 board. 

 

its also recommended to get a cooler with the 9400f as the stock cooler is quite loud. a arctic freezer 33/34 esports would be something nice to add.