General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

[the pudding]

Just now, wezfaas said:

the pudding, do u run 4k60 with HDR ?

well, no, but you're not going to be doing that on anything at that price range, not by a long shot 

[Terabyte_272]

On 12/11/2019 at 5:07 AM, wezfaas said:

Hail x58 brethen, am looking for a supported gfx card for my ASUS P6T D on a 4k60 HDR journey.

 

Any suggestion?  

Ive seen people run 1080ti s so the x58 bottleneck is low to none with an oc. 4k 60 sould be doable with a lot of gpus now.

[amdorintel]

i really have to ask you x58 guys a question here.

 

i purchased a x58 system with i7-920 and 12gb of ram

i forget how much i got it for, but i never used it for anything, it just sat in the closet

 

i purchased a HP i5 4th gen, and been using it ever since, for the office.

later on i purchased a x5650 cpu even though i never used the x58 system

 

i wonder how a i5 4th gen compares to what i had for x58

 

i also wonder how a x5650 compares to the more desirable x5670 i think it was, i know they all have various core/thread counts.

 

but i literally never used the x58, just play simple games on i5 igpu, some yt, word/excel and wanking to porn images when the wifey doesnt put out

 

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, amdorintel said:

wanking to porn images when the wifey doesnt put out

Thanks but we really, really, really did not ask...

 

1 minute ago, amdorintel said:

i really have to ask you x58 guys a question here.

 

i purchased a x58 system with i7-920 and 12gb of ram

i forget how much i got it for, but i never used it for anything, it just sat in the closet

 

i purchased a HP i5 4th gen, and been using it ever since, for the office.

later on i purchased a x5650 cpu even though i never used the x58 system

 

i wonder how a i5 4th gen compares to what i had for x58

 

i also wonder how a x5650 compares to the more desirable x5670 i think it was, i know they all have various core/thread counts.

 

but i literally never used the x58, just play simple games on i5 igpu, some yt, word/excel 

X58 chips don't have iGPUs. OCed and tuned they'll outperform most i5s up till skylake or so, and be a little better than those in games that want 6 cores or more. Stock they're eeeh, still kinda decent, not much better than the i5s though. 

X5650 is decent, more dependant on BLCK OCing due to a lower/locked multiplier IIRC, but it's a solid budget option. X5670/X5675 are just slightly more likely to be better bins and have a better balance of $ vs stock clocks if you need to run them on a 5520 single or dual socket board. Most X58 Xeons will hit 4.2-4.5Ghz if done right though. 

[Pasi123]

22 minutes ago, amdorintel said:

i wonder how a i5 4th gen compares to what i had for x58

Overclocked X5650 would have similar single core performance to a stock i5 4th gen. but of course in multi-core the X5650 is a lot faster.

[MaratM]

7 hours ago, amdorintel said:

 also wonder how a x5650 compares to the more desirable x5670 i think it was, i know they all have various core/thread counts.

X5670 and above are good for prebuilt x58 platforms (they are not really full fat x58, but server chipsets) such as dell or hp server/workstation (you can find them really cheap) but they do not allow to overclock in most of the times and due to higher base clock they are better option. However if it is a overclocking board (asus/gigabyte/msi/evga) it does not really make a lot of difference cause most of x56xx chips can do 4+ghz.

[Animal901]

9 hours ago, amdorintel said:

i really have to ask you x58 guys a question here.

 

i purchased a x58 system with i7-920 and 12gb of ram

i forget how much i got it for, but i never used it for anything, it just sat in the closet

 

i purchased a HP i5 4th gen, and been using it ever since, for the office.

later on i purchased a x5650 cpu even though i never used the x58 system

 

i wonder how a i5 4th gen compares to what i had for x58

 

i also wonder how a x5650 compares to the more desirable x5670 i think it was, i know they all have various core/thread counts.

 

but i literally never used the x58, just play simple games on i5 igpu, some yt, word/excel and wanking to porn images when the wifey doesnt put out

 

Haswell and x58 are somewhat comparable.

[Zando_]

20 minutes ago, Animal901 said:

Haswell and x58 are somewhat comparable.

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhh naaaaaaah. I run Haswell-E, at 300Mhz lower clocks my 5820K is zoomier than my X5675 was. The X58 chips need a decent clockspeed advantage to reach haswell single core performance. 

5820K at 4.2Ghz core, 3.4Ghz core, with either 4x4GB 2800Mhz CLsomething DDR4 or 4x8GB 3200Mhz CL16 DDR4, depending on the config I run. IIRC my X5675 at the time was 4.54Ghz core, near as I can tell from random screenshots of my BIOS I had ~3.2-3.3Ghz on the uncore, with 3x8GB DDR3 at ~2100Mhz CL10-11-11-31. 

EDIT: to put it in better terms, pre-Windows 10 vulnerability mitigations, a well tuned X58 Xeon could almost equal a stock R5 1600 in benches, a similarly well tuned Haswell-E (the only Haswell that also offers 6 cores) will beat an R5 2600 pretty easily, likely land between that and an R5 3600. X79 chips will be around the perf of Haswell chips as well, there wasn't a big IPC boost and you can get Sandy Bridge-E chips on that platform, that usually clock very well. 5GHz at near daily-able (and perfectly safe for bench runs) on 3930Ks isn't unheard of, same as hitting 5Ghz on mainstream Sandy Bridge. 

[the pudding]

1 hour ago, Zando Bob said:

EDIT: to put it in better terms, pre-Windows 10 vulnerability mitigations, a well tuned X58 Xeon could almost equal a stock R5 1600 in benches, a similarly well tuned Haswell-E (the only Haswell that also offers 6 cores) will beat an R5 2600 pretty easily, likely land between that and an R5 3600. X79 chips will be around the perf of Haswell chips as well, there wasn't a big IPC boost and you can get Sandy Bridge-E chips on that platform, that usually clock very well. 5GHz at near daily-able (and perfectly safe for bench runs) on 3930Ks isn't unheard of, same as hitting 5Ghz on mainstream Sandy Bridge. 

Yeah 3930K's tend to clock well, I've not yet had a 3930K that couldn't do 4.7GHz, had a few that could do 5GHz, and my old 3960X would do 4.9GHz all daily, but if you get into ivy E about 4.6GHz nets you the same performance as 4.9GHz on sandy E and 4.6 is about average for 4930K's iirc, but honestly for gaming at 1080p an X58 xeons is plenty tbh, only reason I upgraded to X79 was for more memory capacity essentially (annoying that the other two 4GB dimms I bought one of them is DOA so I have to wait for warranty on that now) 

 

[Zando_]

Just now, the pudding said:

1080p an X58 xeons is plenty tbh

For 1080p60 in most titles, yeah. They do even better at 1440p and 4K due to less CPU bottleneck. In stuff like Assassin's Creed Odyssey they get bullied though, I got around 35-40fps in that at 1080p ultra (1080 Ti, GPU sure wasn't the bottleneck). Frametimes were still very stable there though, so it was perfectly playable and a pretty solid experience. 

[the pudding]

2 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

For 1080p60 in most titles, yeah. They do even better at 1440p and 4K due to less CPU bottleneck. In stuff like Assassin's Creed Odyssey they get bullied though, I got around 35-40fps in that at 1080p ultra (1080 Ti, GPU sure wasn't the bottleneck). Frametimes were still very stable there though, so it was perfectly playable and a pretty solid experience. 

Yeah that too, really solid given how old they are tbh

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, the pudding said:

Yeah that too, really solid given how old they are tbh

Oh yeah. Westmere-EP chips are about 8 years old now, OG i7s should be about 10. Insane amount of time for a CPU to remain actually usable. Either a testament to how good the chips are, how much progress has slowed, or both. 

[the pudding]

1 minute ago, Zando Bob said:

Oh yeah. Westmere-EP chips are about 8 years old now, OG i7s should be about 10. Insane amount of time for a CPU to remain actually usable. Either a testament to how good the chips are, how much progress has slowed, or both. 

indeed, they're definitely getting on a bit now and all that, they're doing good though given their age, I'd imagine though it's a bit of both 

[Animal901]

1 minute ago, Zando Bob said:

Oh yeah. Westmere-EP chips are about 8 years old now, OG i7s should be about 10. Insane amount of time for a CPU to remain actually usable. Either a testament to how good the chips are, how much progress has slowed, or both. 

We can play half life on win10 with no ports. In one hand you have progression. In the other stagnation.  my msi e pro x5670 struggles to install windows 10 but after that everything is great.

 

[Zando_]

Just now, Animal901 said:

We can play half life on win10 with no ports. In one hand you have progression. In the other stagnation.  my msi e pro x5670 struggles to install windows 10 but after that everything is great.

MSI funkiness? I know their boards have been iffy with Westmere-EP, my EVGA/ASUS boards never had issues installing Windows. 

[Animal901]

10 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

MSI funkiness? I know their boards have been iffy with Westmere-EP, my EVGA/ASUS boards never had issues installing Windows. 

Its specifically after initially booting the usb before the wheel spins at the window before the splash of purple. It takes about 30 mins.  Everything else is wonderful. You must use raid to get speed.

 

Msi is a bit funky though....

[Zando_]

4 minutes ago, Animal901 said:

Its specifically after initially booting the usb before the wheel spins at the window before the splash of purple. It takes about 30 mins.  Everything else is wonderful. You must use raid to get speed.

 

Msi is a bit funky though....

Yeah that's grade A funk, my X58 systems boot in 10-20 seconds on both Windows 10 (SSD) and Windows 7 (either SSD or HDD). Could be something with RAM, or if you have buggy HDDs/SATA ports. That has made my X99 systems take 20-30 minutes to boot before. 

[Animal901]

32 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Yeah that's grade A funk, my X58 systems boot in 10-20 seconds on both Windows 10 (SSD) and Windows 7 (either SSD or HDD). Could be something with RAM, or if you have buggy HDDs/SATA ports. That has made my X99 systems take 20-30 minutes to boot before. 

Lol no.... installing windows. Booting is fine.

[Slayer3032]

The only times I've had issues with installing an OS was when my oldest flash drive that has installed hundreds of OS installs and had been wiped countless times was starting to die and would corrupt OS installs and do all around funky things. No idea why I always used my worst flash drive but it's gone now.

 

USB devices can also effect boot times, I've knew someone who was troubleshooting long boot times for weeks and it turned out to be some random USB device that if it was plugged in his computer would take 10 mins+ to post or something like that. I've experienced a similar issue with external drives and generally never recommend to leave those plugged into anything.

 

[GrockleTD]

appallingly low download speeds, not sure why. might just be something to do with my powerline adapter going wonky?

[Slayer3032]

 

Shucked another 8TB drive for my home server, now I have a mirror drive for my current 8TB. Had to swap out my junk 500gb mirror drive that was louder than the straight 12v fans though. I have like 6 copies of the files on that pool so it's not a big deal. I wish the other two sata ports worked when I turn on AHCI but oh well It's a P6T with 36GB of ram and 24TB of disk space lmao. I'm thinking another couple of those 8TB's for media and another 4TB drive to replace the 500gb/1tb/2tb drives should round this thing out. Although at the same time I kind of want to hoard drives, stick it all in a Fractal Define R6 and get a SAS card to run them from instead.

 

I might remove the GT1030 since Plex doesn't support GPU acceleration on anything other than windows but it didn't seem to want to boot without it? Can X58 post without a video card? I don't think my UD5 board will either.

[GrockleTD]

5 hours ago, Slayer3032 said:

Can X58 post without a video card

i don't think most platforms without IGPU's will post without a VGA detected. im sure there's an exception, but i believe that is the rule

[Zando_]

22 minutes ago, GrockleTD said:

i don't think most platforms without IGPU's will post without a VGA detected. im sure there's an exception, but i believe that is the rule

^^^ It can POST but you'll have no idea if it did or not other than POST codes, but if you don't have those memorized for your board then oof. And you still wouldn't be able to verify it actually recognizes the CPU and all of your RAM properly either, since POST codes don't tell you that. 

[GrockleTD]

doing some initial testing, before trying a teensy little overclock, or other setting in dialings, for reference my 3700x just did about 3762

[GrockleTD]

is 3jiggle-hurts a reasonable goal for this chip mr bob?