Would I be better off with a kabylake system as opposed to x99?

[Remixt]

I'm a software engineer, but I'm also a hardcore gamer. My current rig is a monster don't get me wrong, however I love tweaking stuff and overclocking, and I tend to do more gaming at home and more development at my university lab/work. With these single thread performance clocks of over 5ghz I'm thinking a mainstream build might better suit my fps squeezing mentality slightly better than the potential multi-core performance of my 5930k at 4.4 ghz. I'm in the middle of a color conversion for my build and I'm looking at switching my motherboard to the MSI titanium, but while I'm at it I might just make the switch to kabylake. What do you guys think?

[Damascus]

I assume you don't really have any $$$ issues but if you wait until RYZEN  comes out intel is apparently releasing a sort of "upgraded" K SKU's 7640K and 7740K, I'd wait and check them out.

[Remixt]

7 minutes ago, Damascus said:

I assume you don't really have any $$$ issues but if you wait until RYZEN  comes out intel is apparently releasing a sort of "upgraded" K SKU's 7640K and 7740K, I'd wait and check them out.

I'm not rich or anything, but since computing is my way of life I generally make more room for it in the budget. Anyhow, I'm moreso speculating about taking a multicore performance dip in favor of higher singlethreaded clock speeds. If Ryzen happens to outperform Kabylake for gaming then of course I'd be willing to make the switch. 

[Moress]

3 minutes ago, Remixt said:

I'm not rich or anything, but since computing is my way of life I generally make more room for it in the budget. Anyhow, I'm moreso speculating about taking a multicore performance dip in favor of higher singlethreaded clock speeds. If Ryzen happens to outperform Kabylake for gaming then of course I'd be willing to make the switch. 

Are you planning on selling the parts you replace? Because a 7700k clocked at 5ghz will perform better than a 5930k clocked at 4.5 for gaming. But if you're using this for work (And plan on only having 1 system) I would say stick with the 5930k.

[Damascus]

3 minutes ago, Remixt said:

I'm not rich or anything, but since computing is my way of life I generally make more room for it in the budget. Anyhow, I'm moreso speculating about taking a multicore performance dip in favor of higher singlethreaded clock speeds. If Ryzen happens to outperform Kabylake for gaming then of course I'd be willing to make the switch. 

Gotcha, my understanding is that 7700K is better for gaming, I would wait on MOBO and CPU and then get teither RYZEN or the refreshed K series

[Streetguru]

5 minutes ago, Remixt said:

If Ryzen happens to outperform Kabylake for gaming then of course I'd be willing to make the switch. 

Kaby lake is bound to be slightly faster at 5ghz, Ryzen at 5ghz probably won't be a thing for most chips, might in the near future though once the process and architecture improves with Ryzen + or whatever

 

Mostly it looks like it'll give you 8c/16t CPU at $499, with a cheaper motherboard compared to X99, that's the main reason to wait

[Mooshi]

You're approaching this the wrong way if you're gonna be throwing around dosh on motherboard aesthetic for gaming.

 

Just because there are funds to do something,  doesn't mean you should. Be like buying a new car that can go 200mph over the previous one that "only" does 190. Honestly, if I were in the same position i would leave that money in the bank for savings for when you actually need it. 

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, Remixt said:

I'm a software engineer, but I'm also a hardcore gamer. My current rig is a monster don't get me wrong, however I love tweaking stuff and overclocking, and I tend to do more gaming at home and more development at my university lab/work. With these single thread performance clocks of over 5ghz I'm thinking a mainstream build might better suit my fps squeezing mentality slightly better than the potential multi-core performance of my 5930k at 4.4 ghz. I'm in the middle of a color conversion for my build and I'm looking at switching my motherboard to the MSI titanium, but while I'm at it I might just make the switch to kabylake. What do you guys think?

In Q2 of 2017, Intel will debut X299 which will replace X99. At least that's their plan. If you can wait for Ryzen AND X299, you'll be in a better position to make a choice. Personally, an X299 rig (if the specs are to be believed) will set you up for many years down the road and upgrade won't even be in your vocab. Lol 

[michaelocarroll007]

8 minutes ago, Remixt said:

I'm not rich or anything, but since computing is my way of life I generally make more room for it in the budget. Anyhow, I'm moreso speculating about taking a multicore performance dip in favor of higher singlethreaded clock speeds. If Ryzen happens to outperform Kabylake for gaming then of course I'd be willing to make the switch. 

 do you play in 144hz? 

[smittywits]

I'm moving to the x99 Titanium board here soon. A friend of mine bought one a while ago but then decided on the 21X "laptop" instead so he's just giving the motherboard to me. IF I swapped processors I'd go the way of a 6900K for the extra cores, though Intel has x299 releasing soon. If Ryzen actually shows up with a good fight for Intel's chips then I'd suggest going that route.

 

You likely won't see any noticeable changes in performance in your games by moving to Kaby Lake, though speaking as an enthusiast it would be very satisfying to see 5.0GHz on a chip. I'd just say to stick with what you have unless you actually WANT to transition over for some reason.

 

Ryzen and x299 are on the horizon and the 5930k is no slouch. I'd wait it out for both Intel and AMD to show their hands before moving to a new platform.

[done12many2]

30 minutes ago, Remixt said:

I'm a software engineer, but I'm also a hardcore gamer. My current rig is a monster don't get me wrong, however I love tweaking stuff and overclocking, and I tend to do more gaming at home and more development at my university lab/work. With these single thread performance clocks of over 5ghz I'm thinking a mainstream build might better suit my fps squeezing mentality slightly better than the potential multi-core performance of my 5930k at 4.4 ghz. I'm in the middle of a color conversion for my build and I'm looking at switching my motherboard to the MSI titanium, but while I'm at it I might just make the switch to kabylake. What do you guys think?

 

Hey bud, I was in the same boat so I decided to keep my x99/5960x until I saw how z270/7700k was going to work out.  

 

Straight to the point, the 7700k is a beast.  Yes, most will hit 5 GHz with little work if you at least use a decent AIO.  Mine is on a custom loop and delidded running daily at 5.3 GHz verified with an 8hr RealBench with temps peaking at 65c.  It's blistering fast at single-threaded tasks and make my 5960x at 4.7 GHz look like shit in that area.  Fire up all cores on the 5960x and it's a different story, but that's far and few between.

 

I've been through a lot of 7700k CPUs as I was binning them to find the fastest one I could.  I only had one that wouldn't do 5 GHz.  Well it would, but it required quite a bit of voltage so I didn't bother testing further.  

 

I'll be doing another build once x299 drops and I plan to keep the z270/7700k setup for sure.  The x299 will obviously replace my x99, but I'm keeping the 7700k simply because I don't expect x299 to hit the same high clock speeds that I want for daily use.

 

Good luck in your decision.

 

 

[Ashiella]

Did no one mention the need to delid Kabylake 

[Remixt]

9 minutes ago, michaelocarroll007 said:

 do you play in 144hz? 

165 actually.

[Remixt]

2 minutes ago, Ashiella said:

Did no one mention the need to delid Kabylake 

No issues with modding hardware here. I had to solder some pins on my graphics cards and I was an aircraft electronics specialist for 5 years.

[michaelocarroll007]

1 minute ago, Remixt said:

165 actually.

then it might help a little bit with frames probably not too noticeable & If your using a 980ti maybe not much at all 

[Remixt]

1 minute ago, michaelocarroll007 said:

then it might help a little bit with frames probably not too noticeable & If your using a 980ti maybe not much at all 

I'll be upgrading to either pascal titan or 1080ti in the summer depending on the performance.

[Ashiella]

2 minutes ago, Remixt said:

No issues with modding hardware here. I had to solder some pins on my graphics cards and I was an aircraft electronics specialist for 5 years.

Good, then the 7700k will bench slightly higher. In bf1 it might lose to the 5930k. In dx12.. Also I was thinking about going into that line of work, is it any fun? Also, look up benchmarks with the 7700k at 5.1ghz with ur gpu and compare it yourself, or look up a versus on YouTube, I'd say use userbenchmark but it's not a good tell for games.

[Froody129]

8 minutes ago, Remixt said:

I'll be upgrading to either pascal titan or 1080ti in the summer depending on the performance.

But... why??? I honestly don't see why you're dropping this much cash on what is already an incredibly high end system.

[Hasle]

3 minutes ago, Froody129 said:

But... why??? I honestly don't see why you're dropping this much cash on what is already an incredibly high end system.

Why do you need to "see"? If the dude feels it, he should do it. That's my mantra anyway.

[Remixt]

37 minutes ago, Froody129 said:

But... why??? I honestly don't see why you're dropping this much cash on what is already an incredibly high end system.

I would be selling the parts to pay for the new system. I actually already sold one of my 980tis in prep for the 1080ti launch.

 

The answer to why... Is because I'm an enthusiast and I love building pcs. Also, I'm not pleased with the aesthetic of my current build so I'm going for a full custom waterloop with a white theme.