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37 minutes ago, Megah3rtz said:

Any word on prices? you know that's what we're all interested in really. 

No, but they did suggest it would be priced less than the 6900k


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9 minutes ago, Clanscorpia said:

Like what?

Simultaneous Multi Threading and DDR4 are the big two.

4 minutes ago, Trevor87 said:

   Like for eg sample auto over clocking they act like new technology but not. 

That's a new technology to x86. The best Intel has is a predetermined clock range  & table that steps up the clocks slightly, and the clock speed increases get smaller for every additional core that is boosted.

 

4 minutes ago, Clanscorpia said:

So one small feature? That wasnt one of their big highlights. Plus what Intel chip/motherboard has that?

No Intel CPU supports it. ARM uses big.LITTLE, which is hexacores with 2 high performance (higher clocked) cores, and it can only use 4 at a time, or Octocores with 4 high performance cores, and again, only 4 can be used at a time.

I can't speak on POWER architectures, or proprietary CPU architectures, but I doubt they've had them either. I'm confident this method of boosting indefinitely based on thermals was exclusive to GPUs prior to ZEN.


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What I think is the most impressive part is that they have got Ryzen running at 60% of the TDP of the 6900K, and either outperforming or equalling it in performance at the same time.

 

Back to the days when an overclocked AMD CPU would run around 50-60°C?


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37 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Simultaneous Multi Threading and DDR4 are the big two.

 

I know that, I dont think he was talking about that though. He mentioned Auto OCing so Im assuming hes talking about the special programs they've added


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47 minutes ago, Trevor87 said:

   Like for eg sample auto over clocking they act like new technology but not. 

The only CPU we've seen anything similar to that on is Broadwell-E, and by the sounds of it the Zen implementation is much more advanced and is actually an overclocking tool, whereas what was on Broadwell-E was just something like a more powerful turbo boost.


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25 minutes ago, Fetzie said:

What I think is the most impressive part is that they have got Ryzen running at 60% of the TDP of the 6900K, and either outperforming or equalling it in performance at the same time.

 

Back to the days when an overclocked AMD CPU would run around 50-60°C?

Ya, but the power consumption is actually only a few watts lower than the 6900k. I'm not sure where they got the 95 watt TDP then, since it seems Zen is drawing quite a bit more power than 95 watts. Even though I know TDP =/= power draw, it's still a bit farther apart than it should be.


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1 minute ago, DocSwag said:

Ya, but the power consumption is actually only a few watts lower than the 6900k. I'm not sure where they got the 95 watt TDP then, since it seems Zen is drawing quite a bit more power than 95 watts. Even though I know TDP =/= power draw, it's still a bit farther apart than it should be.

Did they have power draw meter things on the plugs at the event? I only heard Lisa Su talk about TDP (which, while not the same as power draw, and also not the same as heat generation either, is related to both (as I doubt they broke the first law of thermodynamics)).


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58 minutes ago, Clanscorpia said:

So one small feature? That wasnt one of their big highlights. Plus what Intel chip/motherboard has that?

Mine?  Well, it claims to but it doesn't work... although that's the fault of the terrible CPU that had no right being in the K bin :P But I digress.... 

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Just now, Ryan_Vickers said:

Mine?  Well, it claims to but it doesn't work... although that's the fault of the terrible CPU that had no right being in the K bin :P But I digress.... 

Auto overclock based on temperatures?


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Just now, Clanscorpia said:

Auto overclock based on temperatures?

Well, auto overclocked based on whatever criteria it uses, which tbh I'm not sure what it is, but it will run a bunch of tests and set some overclock for you.

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1 minute ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Well, auto overclocked based on whatever criteria it uses, which tbh I'm not sure what it is, but it will run a bunch of tests and set some overclock for you.

Thats not what AMD was talking about :P 


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1 minute ago, Clanscorpia said:

Thats not what AMD was talking about :P 

Oh.  Well I didn't watch the thing and I don't know much about it so I'm going to just wait for the news to spread around a little bit first.  Hopefully it's all good news :) 

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1 minute ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Well, auto overclocked based on whatever criteria it uses, which tbh I'm not sure what it is, but it will run a bunch of tests and set some overclock for you.

That's the motherboard doing auto-overclocks which are set at POST time. The only thing Intel has that is similar is Turbo boost (which works based on the cpu load and doesn't take temperature into consideration until you get close to TJ - which is more of a safety net than a performance feature IMO).


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Just now, Fetzie said:

That's the motherboard doing auto-overclocks which are set at POST time. The only thing Intel has that is similar is Turbo boost (which works based on the cpu load and doesn't take temperature into consideration until you get close to TJ - which is more of a safety net than a performance feature IMO).

ok so this auto thing AMD is talking about is very different.  Good to know :P 

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Just now, Ryan_Vickers said:

ok so this auto thing AMD is talking about is very different.  Good to know :P 

Yeah, this takes information from sensors on the hardware (temperature, load etc) and dynamically adjusts the speed of each component on the CPU on-the-fly (no specifics, but I'm assuming things like the core speed, cache speed, memory controller and what have you).


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I'm considering that 8-core it really looks to be amazing, of course we're yet to see final retail unit and various benchmarks. Also for Vega too. And then both together :D

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1 hour ago, suicidalfranco said:

6500, meet your substitute 

I don't think Ryzen would be on the same price point as the 6500. Lets see next month.


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I am really praying to the CPU gods that AMD won't drop the ball on Zen. From what it looks like right now, I may seriously consider a AMD-based system for the first time in my next build in ~2020 if everything reported thus far is true.


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2 minutes ago, Weird Face said:

I am really praying to the CPU gods that AMD won't drop the ball on Zen. From what it looks like right now, I may seriously consider a AMD-based system for the first time in my next build in ~2020 if everything reported thus far is true.

Lets say it comes out and it is good. That's gonna be great for people building a new system today, and maybe up to a year from now but by 2020 think how much will have changed again... don't get yourself set on anything just yet :P

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8 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Lets say it comes out and it is good. That's gonna be great for people building a new system today, and maybe up to a year from now but by 2020 think how much will have changed again... don't get yourself set on anything just yet :P

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13 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Lets say it comes out and it is good. That's gonna be great for people building a new system today, and maybe up to a year from now but by 2020 think how much will have changed again... don't get yourself set on anything just yet :P

Especially if Intel realizes it can't just stick to minor percentage IPC increases and power consumption reductions on desktop processors. The only real defining feature that separates Kabylake and Skylake is an on-board H.265 en/decoder (which is on every graphics card that was released in 2016 from the bottom to the top of the product stack) that Microsoft is using as a hardware DRM for Netflix.


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Good now Intel will haul ass instead of just minor generational improvements.


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By referencing how much the i7 6900K costs in their head to head demos, it made it sound like AMD was planning on undercutting Intel on the enthusiast line.


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The rumor mill says that the 8c/16t Ryzen will cost about $350. Putting it in price competition with the 6700k with the workstation performance of a 6900k. If this is true I think we will see the new go-to streaming/multitasking CPU being from AMD. Along with the improvements of multi-threading increases with DX12 becoming more important as more games start using. Also, if their IPC scales simliar to current Intel chips, their 4c/8t will compete with the 6700k at a fraction of the price (hopefully), meaning that the core I5 will be more or less replaced as the go-to gaming CPU. I know its all rumor right now, but if it's true the Zen hype-train has a new passenger.


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