Apple's new file system: introducing APFS

[dalekphalm]

4 hours ago, Noire said:

Is it safe to assume this is ZFS? lol

N...no. No that's not a safe assumption. It bares some similarities, but I don't think we can quite go that far yet.

 

But in time? Perhaps, it might be quite similar when the final public release is launched.

[RedRound2]

15 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

If only I gave a shit about Macs.

 

On a more serious note, this kind of thing would be nice on IOS.

This file system is across all of apple OSs, ie, iOS, macOS, watchOS, tvOS

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15 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

If only I gave a shit about Macs.

 

On a more serious note, this kind of thing would be nice on IOS.

Plus it's conceivable that Linux will steal this soon enough   I don't think anyone uses it, but HFS+ is supported option when I've tried in the past.

[Unhelpful]

37 minutes ago, RedRound2 said:

This file system is across all of apple OSs, ie, iOS, macOS, watchOS, tvOS

So will this mean the long-awaited death of HFS+?

[dalekphalm]

34 minutes ago, JoeyDM said:

So will this mean the long-awaited death of HFS+?

While HFS+ supports some really good features, if I recall correctly, it has some super major limitations. APFS is a good start. I hope they add more features over time.

[Sunshine1868]

On June 14, 2016 at 3:34 AM, LAwLz said:

Sounds neat. I wonder what the performance will be like once it is ready for prime time. 

Performance should still be solid, especially considering the supported hardware platforms coincide neatly with Intel's implementation of AES-NI in their processors.

[Celmor]

Meh, gonna stay with ZFS and underlying LUKS encryption for modularity.

[Belgarathian]

7 hours ago, JoeyDM said:

So will this mean the long-awaited death of HFS+?

Probably not, but I'd say it's safe to say it has one foot in the grave. I'd imagine that they'll roll it out as the primary file system for new devices when it's launched and still provide on-going legacy support for HFS+ for years to come as I'd imagine a lot of people would have older TimeMachine backups, or external drives that they can't be bothered reformatting, or don't know how to. 

[Sauron]

...why not use zfs and adhere to a common standard that works well for freaking ONCE?

On 14/6/2016 at 3:24 AM, Belgarathian said:

newer file systems such as ZFS.

It's kind of sad that ZFS is considered a "new" file system when it's been around for 10 years.

23 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

If only I gave a shit about Macs.

 

On a more serious note, this kind of thing would be nice on IOS.

Why iOS? I don't think anyone will use their iPhone as a storage server with software raid... this sort of improvement doesn't do much for the low storage space we're dealing with on mobile. Besides I'd say it's plenty fast already.

23 hours ago, LAwLz said:

It's definitely legacy support at this point. Windows is horribly non-modular. If you tried to swap out NTFS then everything would break. That's why even the new ReFS is very similar to NTFS.

Sometimes I wish Microsoft took the big step and rebuilt their OS from scratch to make it POSIX-compliant and not the intricate mess it currently is. They could even keep decent retrocompatibility since they have all the sources to all frameworks and APIs, make a sort of wine on steroids.

[Sauron]

11 minutes ago, Belgarathian said:

Probably not, but I'd say it's safe to say it has one foot in the grave. I'd imagine that they'll roll it out as the primary file system for new devices when it's launched and still provide on-going legacy support for HFS+ for years to come as I'd imagine a lot of people would have older TimeMachine backups, or external drives that they can't be bothered reformatting, or don't know how to. 

I don't know, they didn't seem to care much about legacy support when they ditched powerpc for a completely different architecture that had no compatibility with their older systems whatsoever.

[Belgarathian]

23 minutes ago, Sauron said:

I don't know, they didn't seem to care much about legacy support when they ditched powerpc for a completely different architecture that had no compatibility with their older systems whatsoever.

Well that's true, and you might be right... but OS X & MacOS still supports FAT...

[Sauron]

1 minute ago, Belgarathian said:

Well that's true, and you might be right... but OS X & MacOS still supports FAT...

I think FAT support is there only because they would literally burn all bridges with everything if they removed it. It might also be a residue of the iPod days (and I mean the original iPod, not the antennaless 2-generations-old iPhones they sell now).

[bcredeur97]

On 6/14/2016 at 7:24 PM, PCgamer324 said:

OSX PowerUsers rejoice!  Finally a better filesystem 

 

 

I might actually upgrade from mavericks to Sierra

in case you didn't know... the gatekeeper thing where you can allow downloads from anywhere option is gone.

 

They are locking it down. Big time. Not happy about it

[Sunshine1868]

1 minute ago, bcredeur97 said:

in case you didn't know... the gatekeeper thing where you can allow downloads from anywhere option is gone.

 

They are locking it down. Big time. Not happy about it

slow down there bud... if you alt/option+click or right click or 3dtouch click and select "open" it bypasses gatekeeper after a small prompt

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7 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

in case you didn't know... the gatekeeper thing where you can allow downloads from anywhere option is gone.

 

They are locking it down. Big time. Not happy about it

I'm all for locking things down and resorting to a whilelist system (vs blacklist) in attempts to combat viruses, etc. so long as A, there are ways for power users to disable it, and B, there's never a reason to do so for the "normal joe" since otherwise they just will and it will defeat the purpose of the whole system.

[Sunshine1868]

3 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

 so long as A, there are ways for power users to disable it, and B, there's never a reason to do so for the "normal joe" since otherwise they just will and it will defeat the purpose of the whole system.

again, there is the option to bypass it that is simple enough. Apple has admitted they don't want to impede power users, but they want to protect the normal users by default

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1 minute ago, Sunshine1868 said:

again, there is the option to bypass it that is simple enough. Apple has admitted they don't want to impede power users, but they want to protect the normal users by default

And that's a good way to do it.  I forgot to say that I figure Apple will be the first to implement something like this that actually works.

[ElZamo92]

On 14 de junio de 2016 at 7:09 PM, AluminiumTech said:

If only I gave a shit about Macs.

 

On a more serious note, this kind of thing would be nice on IOS.

According to this article in mac rumors, APFS will come to tvOS, iOS, macOS and watchOS at some point. 

[Belgarathian]

6 hours ago, ElZamo92 said:

According to this article in mac rumors, APFS will come to tvOS, iOS, macOS and watchOS at some point. 

Well they do claim that they build all their OS's on a unified platform (not dissimilar to what Windows is currently doing) so that apps are easy to port - so that would make sense. 

[AlTech]

1 hour ago, Belgarathian said:

Well they do claim that they build all their OS's on a unified platform (not dissimilar to what Windows is currently doing) so that apps are easy to port - so that would make sense. 

But Microsoft is more anal about a unified platform than apple.

Apart from IOS using the same filesystem and same Darwin base as macOS, they are very different.

 

Microsoft on the other hand takes the opposite approach. Everything which can be the same should be the same.

 

Where the only difference between Windows 10 Mobile and desktop (apart from CPU support and maximum RAM allocation AND Win32 APIs) is the Shell/GUI (Overall Look and feel) and the specific things only a phone does or specific firmware for things only a phone has. (Like a gyroscope or a barometer)

 

The kernel is damn near identical (not something I can say for IOS and Mac). Oh and Windows 10 Mobile kernel is customized a tiny bit so that it doesn't run .exe files and similar files.

 

It only runs .appx files.

[LAwLz]

4 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

Apart from IOS using the same filesystem and same Darwin base as macOS, they are very different.

[Citation Needed]

 

4 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

The kernel is damn near identical (not something I can say for IOS and Mac).

[Citation Needed]

Both macOS and iOS uses the same kernel (XNU).

OS X 10.11.5 and iOS 9.3.2 even has the exact same kernel version (15.5.0).

They even contain lots of the same kexts (although some are specific to a certain platform, for example drivers)

[Djole123]

Apple's Propriatery File System. It's also encrypted so have fun accesing data.

Format your drive with APFS at your local Apple store now for only 39.99$.

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1 hour ago, Djole123 said:

Apple's Propriatery File System. It's also encrypted so have fun accesing data.

Format your drive with APFS at your local Apple store now for only 39.99$.

Well, isn't that the whole point of encryption?  

[Sunshine1868]

8 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Well, isn't that the whole point of encryption?  

@Djole123 CLEARLY has something against apple ? 

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4 minutes ago, Sunshine1868 said:

@Djole123 CLEARLY has something against apple ? 

Don't we all though?   I'm not going to let it interfere with liking something they do well though