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AMD Zen to Bring Greater than 40% IPC Increase, New Reports Suggests

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The 40% IPC number is over Excavator people. It has been advertised as this for a long time now. Excavators IPC is already slightly improved over the previous generations of FX SKU's, so 40% was going to put it right on par with Haswell. If what this report is saying is true, we might see Skylake IPC out of Zen (Again, take this with a grain of salt because at this point, its a rumor from the company itself).

 

Even if it fails to match Skylake, and just matches Haswell, we will see 8 core CPU's with Haswell IPC, with DDR4 support and a plethora of instruction sets (If they use the same instruction sets as their previous platform, on top of the newer ones they just made exclusively for Zen, then it should be pretty nice). This might allow Zen to disrupt the Z97 and X99 markets (Maybe even the Z170 market, if the IPC boost is somewhere around 45-50%). Sadly, the lack of AVX3 means it won't have too much staying power in my eyes. Let's hope AMD includes it in their Zen+ batch.

I forget is it Cannonlake or Skylake-E that is expected to start using AVX3?  I know Skylake-E is making use of six-channel memory, but not sure if it is making use of AVX-512.

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I forget is it Cannonlake or Skylake-E that is expected to start using AVX3?  I know Skylake-E is making use of six-channel memory, but not sure if it is making use of AVX-512.

Intel Purely (Skylake-EP and Cannonlake-EP). Should support AVX512F. That's when CPU's will finally get interesting again.


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What if ZEN is 60% faster but AMD are being modest until reviews hit?


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What if ZEN is 60% faster but AMD are being modest until reviews hit?

That'd be a miracle.  I'm still remaining apathetic for AMD, but I hope they can actually do well, and if not - hopefully they dissolve rapidly if it is a flop and we can get competition rolling between Intel and nVidia.

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AMD needs to undercut Intel.

It doesn't matter if AMD wants to be the similarly respected option to Intel.

Not only to gain the audience back who were disappointed in AMD all these years, but because the per-core performance will absolutely NOT reach Skylake or Kabylake performance.

That is much too optimistic.

Any 6/8-core AMD CPU competing against Broadwell-E (Which it will, if Zen's slated for Q4 of this year) will also have to be the better value option.

An 8-core AMD Zen CPU would have to be around $400-$600, if the cheapest Intel X99 8-core option would be around $700-800.


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Not really...

 

My FX is 5ghz stable on water.

yeah but stable at 90C


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I think they said it was 40% over steamroller. I did some numbers a while ago and figured it'd be like 3% slower than Haswell IPC. But cores, clocks and stuff are unknown.

They said it was 40% over Excavator.


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AMD needs to undercut Intel.

It doesn't matter if AMD wants to be the similarly respected option to Intel.

Not only to gain the audience back who were disappointed in AMD all these years, but because the per-core performance will absolutely NOT reach Skylake or Kabylake performance.

That is much too optimistic.

Any 6/8-core AMD CPU competing against Broadwell-E (Which it will, if Zen's slated for Q4 of this year) will also have to be the better value option.

An 8-core AMD Zen CPU would have to be around $400-$600, if the cheapest Intel X99 8-core option would be around $700-800.

Undercutting is ok. As long as it's done within reason and they maintain healthy margins. They don't need to beat Intel to be profitable.

 

What is not ok is when you have to sell your entire range of CPUs at under $200 because the performance is so far behind (AMD's current situation).

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About this 40% greater IPC claim.

I am sure that when it is released people will twist it and say that AMD claimed 40% greater performance.

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Has been noted already :)

Oh okay. :P


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40% from bulldozer?   :lol:

Nope, from Excavator which has significantly higher ipc than bulldozer


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if it's from vishera it would be enough to catch up to haswell

From Excavator :P


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40% from bulldozer?   :lol:

My thoughts, I hope they meant compared to some of the newer Intel CPUs, otherwise they're screwed if this is true


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Nope, from Excavator which has significantly higher ipc than bulldozer

that sounds way too sensationalist. like what wccf tech would write on their own. unless these chips are going to run at 2.5ghz then it's fine.


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If they can get a 14 or more core zen cpu (actual cores, not 2 cores per module) with Haswell or better IPC, I might just reconsider upgrading to the 6950x when it releases


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that sounds way too sensationalist. like what wccf tech would write on their own. unless these chips are going to run at 2.5ghz then it's fine.

Why? Excavator is nothing but an improved Bulldozer. So it's more than possible, it's around 20% better in terms of IPC than Buldozzer IIRC.


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yeah but stable at 90C

Wrong again.

 

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that sounds way too sensationalist. like what wccf tech would write on their own. unless these chips are going to run at 2.5ghz then it's fine.

That makes no sense. IPC does not relate to clock speed. It's not exactly unlikely to make such a large improvement considering the fact that the old architecture is completely abandoned.

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that sounds way too sensationalist. like what wccf tech would write on their own. unless these chips are going to run at 2.5ghz then it's fine.

Its from an official amd slide, why the hell would a flagship cpu run at 2.5ghz


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Its from an official amd slide, why the hell would a flagship cpu run at 2.5ghz

If they actually reach 40% over excavator and run that chip at 4-5ghz on 8 cores like they run these old things they will be beating skylake i7 by a far margin.

 

I suspect it's going to be lower clocked to reach that dreamy 95W tdp.


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If they actually reach 40% over excavator and run that chip at 4-5ghz on 8 cores like they run these old things they will be beating skylake i7 by a far margin.

 

I suspect it's going to be lower clocked to reach that dreamy 95W tdp.

Atleast 3ghz though.


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Wrong again.

 

 
 

That is custom loop and my god 75C is hot for a custom loop. 


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If they actually reach 40% over excavator and run that chip at 4-5ghz on 8 cores like they run these old things they will be beating skylake i7 by a far margin.

 

I suspect it's going to be lower clocked to reach that dreamy 95W tdp.

Or, they do what Intel does, and advertise TDP as "Typical use". 4790k has an 88w TDP under typical use circumstances, but touch AVX2, and you can add 50w to that easily. Under normal use, 95w TDP with 8 cores does not sound too impossible, but I do not see them having 5ghz chips. I am expecting 3.6-4ghz base out of the 8 core models. Smaller core configurations might start with higher base clock speeds, but it's all speculation at this point.

 

My only hope is that we see a more refined memory controller this time. AMD's lackluster memory support on previous FX series was a major turnoff. Seeing as they wont be using a dual IMC like Skylake, I hope they focus on a really strong IMC for DDR4. 


My (incomplete) memory overclocking guide: 

 

Does memory speed impact gaming performance? Click here to find out!

On 1/2/2017 at 9:32 PM, MageTank said:

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