AMD - A New Era In PC Gaming

[marldorthegreat]

A new era where we reuse the same old tech. Brilliant. 

That is a good thing, the ammount of metal used in making graphics cards is stupid. If AMD re-use gpus, they are saving the world!!!!

[MEC-777]

Yeah, but I dont like to look at performance alone. If AMD improved efficieny I would buy a gpu from them. But they are just throwing more cores and expecting you to just accept it with a stupidly high tdp. They are even liquid cooling there SINGLE gpu cards. Does that not tell you how bad it is?

 

Fury has nearly the same TDP as the 290x but with estimated 50% more performance. That's a significant improvement in efficiency. Nvidia is also liquid cooling their single GPU cards now. Just look at the EVGA GTX 980Ti and Titan X hydrid AIO cards. It's ok to do this on Nvidia cards but not for AMD? 

 

I get what you're saying and it is important to look at the whole picture, weigh in all the factors. I'm not saying we shouldn't look at anything but performance, but only that the factors other than performance are secondary. But how important those factors are is up to the individual to decide. For some, efficiency is very important. To others, they could care less. So at that point it becomes more of a subjective discussion.

 

You said all those other cards "demolish" the 290x, but you didn't say in which way. In terms of performance, the 290x is all over everything below the 980. In terms of heat, the 970 and 980 are much better, but the 780/Ti, 980Ti, and Titan X are only marginally better. In terms of efficiency, the 780/Ti is about on par, but all the Maxwell cards are much better. 

 

This is why I so dislike blanket statements such as "this card destroys these cards." You need to include context and explain in what way you are making the comparison. This, I believe, would save SO much time as more often than not, people end up arguing over misunderstood points of view instead of the topic at hand.

[MEC-777]

The Fury card is what I'm most interested in seeing. I think the only drawback for me is 4GB HBM. If only they could've fit 8, or even 6GB would've made it much more enticing IMO.

 

They will probably implement 8GB in their next iteration of HBM. Or release an 8GB version at a later date.

 

I'm curious to see if the combination of HBM along with other (software/driver/API) optimizations with render additional Vram somewhat unnecessary, even at 4K.   

[marldorthegreat]

Fury has nearly the same TDP as the 290x but with estimated 50% more performance. That's a significant improvement in efficiency. Nvidia is also liquid cooling their single GPU cards now. Just look at the EVGA GTX 980Ti and Titan X hydrid AIO cards. It's ok to do this on Nvidia cards but not for AMD? 

 

I get what you're saying and it is important to look at the whole picture, weigh in all the factors. I'm not saying we shouldn't look at anything but performance, but only that the factors other than performance are secondary. But how important those factors are is up to the individual to decide. For some, efficiency is very important. To others, they could care less. So at that point it becomes more of a subjective discussion.

 

You said all those other cards "demolish" the 290x, but you didn't say in which way. In terms of performance, the 290x is all over everything below the 980. In terms of heat, the 970 and 980 are much better, but the 780/Ti, 980Ti, and Titan X are only marginally better. In terms of efficiency, the 780/Ti is about on par, but all the Maxwell cards are much better. 

 

This is why I so dislike blanket statements such as "this card destroys these cards." You need to include context and explain in what way you are making the comparison. This, I believe, would save SO much time as more often than not, people end up arguing over misunderstood points of view instead of the topic at hand.

Yeah, I dont mind a high tdp if the performance justifies it. But the fury specs are just rumours, we will see in roughly 10 minutes.

[DEDRICK]

Does anyone have a real world $ difference between power consumption of the 290X and a 970?  Everyone talks about "efficiency" but doesn't it only equate to around $10 per year?

[MEC-777]

Yeah, I dont mind a high tdp if the performance justifies it. But the fury specs are just rumours, we will see in roughly 10 minutes.

 

1 hour and 10 mins.

[Fatelinha]

Ready Uranus, this is gonna rape us to outer space!!!

[xeromynd]

i must say, the clip is a good teaser, but i would pick a diffrent font, the "O" and "D" in radeon look quite alike each other, i thought there stood RADEDN at first

 

It's ok. I always see the Gigabyte Windforce cards as WINOFORCE

[MEC-777]

Does anyone have a real world $ difference between power consumption of the 290X and a 970?  Everyone talks about "efficiency" but doesn't it only equate to only like $10 per year?

 

It's a very difficult thing to analyze because the cost of energy differs so greatly from region to region. For some, the difference would be more significant than others. Also, some people game for hours on end every day, while other only game a few hours per week or less. 

 

So there's just too many factors, IMO, to draw a proper conclusion. The best you can do is to work out the math based on where you live and how many hours you game (run the GPU at full load), which will give you the cost difference for your specific situation. At that point you can then decide if the cost difference is worth it or not. But those results will only apply to you and the people living near you, who also game for the same amount of time per day/week as you do. 

 

Personally, it's irrelevant. I don't game so much that my PC is running at max load for hours on end every day. All I mainly care about is the frame rates and frame pacing. As long as the card isn't melting in my PC and isn't dimming the lights in the room *cough* Jayztwocents Skunkworks *cough* then I'm happy.

[MEC-777]

It's ok. I always see the Gigabyte Windforce cards as WINOFORCE

 

Ha! Yes, me too.

[Lethal Seraph]

Quit being literal, AMD's referring the 'New Era' with the introduction of HBM. Team green's HBM cards won't be available til 2016. 

[DEDRICK]

-snip-

 

So basically for anyone living within their means the power consumption argument goes out the window.  Never understood why this is a selling point of the green team but I also only pay around $20/month for energy.  If you can afford one of these cards I doubt you care much about a few dollars more on your energy bill over the course of a year

[Accursed Entity]

It hasn't even started yet there are 5 pages of people arguing already...

[MEC-777]

So basically for anyone living within their means the power consumption argument goes out the window.  Never understood why this is a selling point of the green team but I also only pay around $20/month for energy

 

That is exactly right on. 

[NumLock21]

All these hype and rumor articles. When the day finally comes, everything went silent.

[MEC-777]

It hasn't even started yet there are 5 pages of people arguing already...

 

Welcome to the internet. Grab a chair and a bucket of popcorn, sit back and enjoy the show.

[GlassBomb]

Steam have started now.

 

http://www.twitch.tv/amd

[marldorthegreat]

Does anyone have a real world $ difference between power consumption of the 290X and a 970?  Everyone talks about "efficiency" but doesn't it only equate to around $10 per year?

$10 per month. which if your paying for electricity is allot. ($120 per year)

[marldorthegreat]

All these hype and rumor articles. When the day finally comes, everything went silent.

Yeah, its a tactic. It gets things hyped. They do this every year. It works.

[jcbiddulph]

$10 per month. which if your paying for electricity is allot. ($120 per year)

$10 a month if you do nothing put game 24 hours per day

[Agent181]

lmao the chat is cancer

[marldorthegreat]

$10 a month if you do nothing put game 24 hours per day

3 hours per day average. So most gamers play for about 6 hours a day which doubles the amount.

[DEDRICK]

$10 per month. which if your paying for electricity is allot. ($120 per year)

 

Seeing as I only pay around $240 per year TOTAL for electricity, I highly doubt it is $10 more per month, I have a 290

[Humbug]

Does anyone have a real world $ difference between power consumption of the 290X and a 970?  Everyone talks about "efficiency" but doesn't it only equate to around $10 per year?

The reason it doesn't amount to much is because for gamers a very tiny fraction of the card's life is spent under load where you get meaningful power consumption differences. Most of the time the cards are idling in power saving mode or switched off.

There are exceptions to the above rule such as coin miners who keep the cards under load continiously.

[Meladath]

$10 per month. which if your paying for electricity is allot. ($120 per year)

LOL WHAT?

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-970-maxwell,3941-13.html

Here you see 970 using 179W at stock while the R9 290X uses 242.

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_970_Gaming/25.html

And here an average of 165W for the 970 and 258W for the R9 290X

 

Please note, advertised TDP is not power consumption.

 

Based on those 2 (a crude measurement, but its good enough to debunk this $10 a month claim) a 970 uses 172W on average and an R9 290X uses 250W.

 

Even if you are being generous to the 970 and say it uses 170W and the R9 290X uses 260W, playing 6 hours a day AND living in denmark (country with the most expensive electricity in the world $0.42/kWH) AND you assume 100% power usage all the time you play games.

 

970: 170W * 6 = 1020W/1.02kWh a day = $0.4284 = $11.9952 ~ $12 a month

R9 290X: 260W * 6 = 1560W/1.56kWh a day = $0.6552 = $18.3456 ~ $18.35 a month

 

Thats $6.35 extra a month assuming you play LOTS of games in the country with one of the highest electricity rates in the world. For the majority of people the difference will be miniscule.