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Motherboard Tier List v2 (currently AMD only)

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Credit to:@VegetableStu @GoldenLag @LukeSavenije

 

The following list is based on facts, ranked on power delivery and known problems. The list will include boards that support CPU overclocking available at retail from different brands. Currently only AMD boards are done because I don't have much interest on currently available Intel CPUs, also because there are a lot more Intel Z370/Z390 boards than B350/X370/B450/X470/X570 boards combined.

 

There are still differences in performance among boards of the same tier. As a result, those that barely made it into that tier will be in orange while those that are better than others in the same tier are in blue

 

For advanced users: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Smj5dh97n32wJqm5dkdDcQt8ID7vH52-lKzaaXUUQx8/edit?usp=sharing

 

AMD

 

All current draw figures are based on Prime95 small FFT with AVX unless otherwise specified, in other words the worst case scenario. Only the top end SKU of CPUs in the same generation and core/thread count configuration is named, others share the same rating. Zen scales down frequency and voltage according to EDC (current limit) and TDC (thermal limit) settings of the motherboard so in theory you won’t cook the VRM of any board at stock, you just lose frequency.

 

AM4 (Athlon 2xx, Ryzen 3, Ryzen 5, Ryzen 7, Ryzen 9)

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Tier S: 300A current draw on little ambient airflow (i.e below a big air cooler in a well-ventilated case), maxed out 3950X on liquid nitrogen (LN2) overclocking

Asus: X570 Crosshair VIII Hero

Gigabyte: X570 Aorus Xtreme

MSI: X570 Godlike

 

Tier S-: 250A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 3900X on liquid nitrogen (LN2) overclocking

Asus: X570 X570-E, Pro WS Ace

Asrock: X570 Taichi, Phantom Gaming X, Creator

Gigabyte: X570 Aorus Master

MSI: X570 Creation, Ace, Unify, Tomahawk

 

Tier A: 200A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 3950X on ambient cooling, 2700x on LN2

Asus: X570 X570-F, TUF Plus, Prime Pro, Crosshair VIII Impact, X570-I, X570-P, X470 Crosshair VII Hero, X370 Crosshair VI Extreme

Asrock: X570 ITX/TB3, X470 Taichi (Ultimate), X370 Taichi, Professional Gaming

Gigabyte: X570 Aorus Ultra, Pro (ATX), X470 Gaming 7

MSI: X470 M7 AC

 

Tier B: 160A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 3900X, 3950x at 1.25V on ambient cooling, maxed out 1800X on LN2

Asus: X470 X470-F, X370 Crosshair VI Hero, X370-F

Asrock: X570 Extreme4, Steel Legend, Pro4 (ATX & mATX), Phantom 4

Biostar: X570 GT8, X470 GT8, X370 GT7

Gigabyte: X570 Aorus Elite, ITX

 

Tier C 125A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 2700X, 3900x at 1.25V on ambient cooling (P95)

Asus: X370 Prime Pro

Asrock: B450 

Gigabyte: X570 UD, Gaming X, X370 Gaming K7, Gaming 5

MSI: X570 Gaming Pro Carbon, X470 Gaming Pro Carbon, Gaming Plus, B450 Gaming Pro Carbon, Tomahawk (& Max), Gaming Plus ATX (& Max), B450-A Pro (& Max) (ATX), Mortar (& Max), Gaming Plus mATX, Bazooka Plus, Gaming Plus ITX, X370 M7 ACK, XPower Titanium

 

Tier D 100A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 1800X and 3800X, a tad more than maxed out 2600X, maxed out 2700X in ambient cooling (Cinebench R15)

Asus: X470 Prime Pro, X470-I, B450 TUF Pro, B450-E, B450-I, X370 X370-I, B350 B350-I

Asrock: X470 Master SLI, K4, ITX, B450 Pro4, K4, M/AC, Steel Legend, ITX

Gigabyte: X470 Gaming 5, Ultra Gaming, B450 Aorus Elite (mATX)

MSI: X570 X570-A Pro, Gaming Plus, Edge, X470 Gaming Pro, B450 Pro-VDH (& Max & V2), Bazooka (& V2), X370 Gaming Pro Carbon, Krait Gaming, SLI Plus, Gaming Plus, Gaming Pro, B350 Gaming Pro Carbon, Krait Gaming

 

Tier E: 75A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 1600X and 3600X, a bit more than maxed out 2500X

Asus: X470 TUF Plus, B450 B450-F, TUF Plus, Prime Plus, X370 X370-A, B350 B350-F, Prime Plus, TUF Plus

Asrock: B450 HDV, X370 Gaming X, Killer SLI, mITX, K4, Pro4, B350 ITX, Pro4, K4, HDV, AB350M

Biostar: X470 GTA, GTQ, GTN, X370 GT5, GT3, B350 GT5, GT3, GTN

Gigabyte: B450 Aorus Pro (ATX), Aorus Elite (ATX), Aorus M, Gaming X, DS3H, ITX, X370 Gaming K5, K3, 3, Gaming, DS3H, B350 Gaming 3, Gaming, DASH, DS3H, AB350N Gaming-WiFi

MSI: B450 Pro-M2 (& Max), B350 Gaming Plus, Tomahawk, PC Mate, Bazooka, Mortar, Pro-VDH, Pro-VH Plus, Pro-VD Plus

 

Tier F: 50A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 1300X

Asus: B450 B450M-K, B450M-A, B350 B350M-A, B350M-E, B350M-K

Asrock: B450 HDV R4.0, B350 HDV R3.0, HDV R4.0

Biostar: X570GT, B350 B45M2, HiFi B350S1, ET2

Gigabyte: B350 D3H, D3V, HD3, DS2

MSI: B450 Pro-M2 V2, B450M-A Pro B350 Gaming Pro

 

Tier H2O: Liquid cooled only VRM, quite bad if cooled only with air, tier S if liquid cooled

Asus: X570 Crosshair VIII Formula

Asrock: X570 Aqua

 

Tier W: Workstation features, can appear here and above tiers

Asus: X570 Pro WS Ace (ECC certification) 

Asrock rack: X570 D2I, D4U-2L2T, D4I-2T, X470 D4U (ECC cert + KVM switch), D4U2-2T (ECC cert + KVM switch)

 

TR4 (Ryzen Threadripper 1xxx and 2xxx) X399

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Tier LN2: 700A current draw under mist of liquid nitrogen and high RPM fan (ambient air? unrealistic), maxed out 2990WX under an awful lot of liquid nitrogen

Asus: Zenith Extreme Alpha

MSI: Creation

 

Tier S: 500A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out (1.35v) 2990WX on ambient cooling (P95), 2970WX on liquid nitrogen

Asus: Zenith Extreme Alpha

MSI: Creation

 

Tier A: 400A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 2990WX on ambient cooling (Cinebench R20) or 1.2V in Prime95

Someone occupy here plz

 

Tier B: 350A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 2970WX on ambient cooling (P95), 2990WX limited to 1.175v (P95)

Gigabyte: Aorus Xtreme

 

Tier C 300A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 2970WX on ambient cooling (Cinebench R20) or 1.2V in Prime95

Asus: Zenith Extreme with cooling kit

 

Tier D 250A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 2950X on ambient cooling, 2970WX limited to 1.15v (P95)

Asus: Zenith Extreme

MSI: Gaming Pro Carbon AC, SLI Plus

 

Tier E: 200A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 2920X and 1950X on ambient cooling

Asus: X399-E, X399-A

Asrock: Taichi (mATX & ATX), Professional Gaming

Gigabyte: Gaming 7, Designare EX, Aorus Pro

 

Tier F: 150A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 1920X on ambient cooling

Asrock: Phantom 6

 

Tier G: 100A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 1900X on ambient cooling

Thank god nothing is here

 

sTRX4 (Ryzen Threadripper 3xxx) TRX40

TBD - until testing with the 64 core 3990X comes out. The 32 core 3970X doesn't really challenge any one of them's VRM.

 

Sources:

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Hardwareluxx.de: VRM parts table (AM4 B350/X370/B450/X470)

 

/u/CR1318 on reddit: Motherboard Tier List

 

Tweaktownbiostar x370gt7biostar x370gtn gamingbiostar a320mh pro gaming

 

BuildzoidGigabyte's Z390 lineupAsrock X470 Master SLIAsrock AB350M Pro 4, AB350 Pro 4 and AB350 Gaming K4ASUS Prime X470-ProAsrock X370 TaichiMSI X470 Gaming PlusMSI B450M Mortar TitaniumGigabyte Z390 Aorus XtremeASUS Maximus XI ApexGigabyte Z390 Aorus UltraMSI MEG X399 CreationGigabyte Z390 Aorus Pro WifiASUS TUF B450M-Pro GamingASUS TUF B450M-Pro GamingAsrock X470 Master SLI / Gaming K4"Asrock X470 Master SLI VRM temperature sensing is broken"EVGA Z370 MicroGigabyte B450M GamingEVGA Z390 FTWGigabyte X370 Gaming K5Asrock X570 Pro4; Asus X570 Strix-E; Gigabyte x570; MSI x570; Asrock x570; Asus x570; Asus X570 Prime-P; Asus X570 Strix-F; Gigabyte X570 Aorus Ultra; Gigabyte X570 Gaming X;

 

GN (Buidzoid)Best Motherboards for AMD Ryzen 2018 - AM4 X470 & B450Best Z390 Motherboards for VRMs, 10Gb LAN, Mini-ITX, Micro-ATX (2018)Best AM4 Motherboards for Overclocking (X370 & B350)EVGA X299 DARKMSI Z390 GodlikeASUS Maximus XI HeroASUS Crosshair VI Hero X370ASUS X399 Zenith ExtremeEVGA X299 DARK

 

BitwitBiostar Racing X370 GTN

 

Sebelas HardwareBiostar Racing X370 GT3

 

hardwareinside.debiostar-racing x370gt5

 

play3r.net: biostar racing x370gt5

 

back2gaming.combiostar racing b350gt5

 

Proclockersbiostar h310mhd pro

 

de8auer: MSI X570 Tomahawk

 

 

Legacy list thread: Those looking to dive into Intel's outdated process node and recycled (for many times) architecture please refer to the old list

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CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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I still don't understand how the X570 Aorus Master is classified on the same tier as the Phantom Gaming X and Taichi when sources like HardwareUnboxed have shown the Aorus Master to have superior VRM's including reaching higher clocks and cooler VRMs and PCB compared to both the Taichi and Phantom Gaming X - and very similar stats to the C8H.

 

This is no criticism, just want to understand that's all.


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3 hours ago, GeLi said:

I still don't understand how the X570 Aorus Master is classified on the same tier as the Phantom Gaming X and Taichi when sources like HardwareUnboxed have shown the Aorus Master to have superior VRM's including reaching higher clocks and cooler VRMs and PCB compared to both the Taichi and Phantom Gaming X - and very similar stats to the C8H.

 

This is no criticism, just want to understand that's all.

I only considered VRM thermals, which the Master is unlikely to survive 300A output (less and weaker powerstages, so heat output will ramp up faster and higher at that point than the C8H) anyway. I'm not talking about the best OC boards, this list is just to stop people from buying underwhelming boards for their CPUs.


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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13 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

I only considered VRM thermals, which the Master is unlikely to survive 300A output (less and weaker powerstages, so heat output will ramp up faster and higher at that point than the C8H) anyway. I'm not talking about the best OC boards, this list is just to stop people from buying underwhelming boards for their CPUs.

Ah okay, understood. My bad.

 

I find this list super helpful anyway, especially for help guiding people who are looking for a new AM4 motherboard which to go for. So great job guys on putting this together!


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 Ryzen 5 3600 | NZXT Kraken X62 rev2 | ASUS CROSSHAIR VIII HERO X570 WIFI | 2x8Gb 3200MHz Corsair Dominator Platinum | Gigabyte AORUS RX 5700 XT | EVGA SuperNOVA P2 750W | Corsair Force MP510 500Gb | Intel 660p 1Tb | Seagate Barracude 2Tb | Phanteks Eclipse P600s | Acer Nitro VG240YU

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1 minute ago, realXClav said:

Are you taking over tier lists now? Or just the motherboard one?

Most of the tier lists would still be under Luke from what I know.


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1 hour ago, realXClav said:

Are you taking over tier lists now? Or just the motherboard one?

I only take over the board's list. I only know a little on PSUs and disagree with making the GPU cooler tier list


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

and disagree with making the GPU cooler tier list

Just wondering, on what grounds?  That it isn't needed or that you don't care about GPU coolers enough to want to tackle it?

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40 minutes ago, LogicWeasel said:

Just wondering, on what grounds?  That it isn't needed or that you don't care about GPU coolers enough to want to tackle it?

because different GPUs sharing the same cooler name can behave very differently. For example the MSI ventus cards, those with 100mm fans are acceptable for cheap cards but the I think 80mm or 90mm fan ones are loud and make high pitched noise.


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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8 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

the same cooler name can behave very differently. For example the MSI ventus cards

Those typical manufacturers.  They don't change the name between the smaller fans and the bigger fan models eh?  They don't make it easier for consumers to tell them apart in online product listings?

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7 hours ago, LienusLateTips said:

Most of the tier lists would still be under Luke from what I know.

but i handed over this one because PSUs keep me busy


PSU Tier List 4.0//Motherboard Tier List//Community Standards//Group Regulation//PSU Protections

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Primary PC:

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CPU: I5-8600k 5.0ghz

GPU: GTX 1070 ti EVGA SC Gaming

RAM: 2x8 3333 mhz DDR4 Trident Z

MOBO: MSI Gaming Pro Carbon AC

HDD: 1 TB 7200 RPM Seagate Baracudda, 1 TB 5400 RPM Samsung Spinpoint HD103SI

SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 500 GB

Case: Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 5 RGB (modified)

PSU: Seasonic Focus GX650

 

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PS4 FTP Special Edition 500 GB

PS3 Super Slim 500 GB

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DS Lite Black/blue

DS Lite Blue

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Gameboy Advanced Color

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11 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

because PSUs keep me busy

*meanwhile at EVGA HQ - PSU Division*

 

"Muahahaha!    Luke thinks he'll have more free time now!  We'll put a stop to that!  Quick, release those extra PSU names with two letters we were saving!"  ~Presenting the new EVGA GE1, GE2, GL, GN, & LMNOP power supply models~  "He'll never keep up!"  💩

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6 minutes ago, LogicWeasel said:

*meanwhile at EVGA HQ - PSU Division*

 

"Muahahaha!    Luke thinks he'll have more free time now!  We'll put a stop to that!  Quick, release those extra PSU names with two letters we were saving!"  ~Presenting the new EVGA GE1, GE2, GL, GN, & LMNOP power supply models~  "He'll never keep up!"  💩

At least that's better than giving similar spec but different design and OEM PSUs the same name


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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2 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

At least that's better than giving similar spec but different design and OEM PSUs the same name

who's most guilty of that stuff?

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18 minutes ago, LogicWeasel said:

who's most guilty of that stuff?

Ask @LukeSavenije


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3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

silverstone?

thermaltake?

rosewill?

 

give me hints


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12 hours ago, lafrente said:

According to the list, does it mean MSI B450 Gaming Plus Max is ranked higher than the X570 Gaming Plus?

 

Yes, the X570 board you named is super entry-level for x570 and MSI skimped on the VRM compared to most all their other x570 boards.

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9 minutes ago, LogicWeasel said:

Yes, the X570 board you named is super entry-level for x570 and MSI skimped on the VRM compared to most all their other x570 boards.

tbh the VRM got slightly better (doublers added), but the heatsinks got much worse.


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1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

tbh the VRM got slightly better (doublers added), but the heatsinks got much worse.

Ah gotcha, so they skimped on the VRM cooling, not so much the chips themselves.  What a shame, from most of the Buildzoid videos I see him so often have to tear into companies that don't design even a half-decent VRM.  It'll be some hunk of metal that blocks airflow and doesn't have any proper fins or surface area.  They should get a company to design those for them so they can stick real VRM heatsinks on their boards, and not some long brick that just acts as a time buffer.

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Would the Asrock X570M Pro4 be acceptable for the 3900X at stock clocks?

 

I got the Gigabyte X570I Aorus Pro ITX like you suggested, but it turns out it's not compatible with my case (Thermaltake V21). There are clearance issues with the backplate of the motherboard and the built-in standoffs.

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10 minutes ago, Satan_Prometheus said:

here are clearance issues with the backplate of the motherboard and the built-in standoffs.

The backplate for mounting the stock cooler? Just throw it out and buy a cooler that doesn't need it. The difference in capability between the Asrock Pro4 and Gigabyte ITX is great enough I wont be ready to give up just yet.


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

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SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

The backplate for mounting the stock cooler? Just throw it out and buy a cooler that doesn't need it. The difference in capability between the Asrock Pro4 and Gigabyte ITX is great enough I wont be ready to give up just yet.

No, I mean the board itself has a backplate that interferes with the standoffs in this case. It's an issue where the case standoffs are actually bumps rather than pins, so the back of the board has to be flush with the top of the bumps. Unfortunately on the X570 Aorus Pro ITX, the holes for the screws are actually 3-4mm recessed from the back of the board, so it can't sit flush on the standoffs.

 

I'm trying to find a decent mATX or ITX board that doesn't have this kind of a backplate.

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On 12/24/2019 at 4:10 AM, Jurrunio said:

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Ugh again i cant decide to get asus tuf or gigabyte elite x570 board

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