is i5-9600k worth it

[Vader987878]

Im building a gaming rig and wondering if i should get this cpu or another, im going to be streaming the game rust. i am also wondering if i should wait a little bit to get a gpu because of prices

[Flying Sausages]

Not worth it

 

Go with 3600 or 3700x

 

 

[Fasauceome]

Ryzen 5 3600, cheaper for the same gaming performance.

[seon123]

Depends on the rest of the parts and the prices.

[Vader987878]

1 minute ago, Fasauceome said:

Ryzen 5 3600, cheaper for the same gaming performance.

yeah that cpu where i am is more expensive than the i5-9600k. 

[Mister Woof]

3700x imo

 

Also consider $169 Ryzen 7 2700

[Vader987878]

1 minute ago, Plutosaurus said:

3700x imo

 

Also consider $169 Ryzen 7 2700

intel is cheaper than amd currently in Australia

[Fasauceome]

6 minutes ago, Vader987878 said:

yeah that cpu where i am is more expensive than the i5-9600k. 

AMD

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$314.00 @ Shopping Express
Motherboard	MSI B450M MORTAR MAX Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$149.00 @ Centre Com
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$463.00
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-14 15:12 AEDT+1100

Intel

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Core i5-9600K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor	$334.00 @ Shopping Express
CPU Cooler	Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition 57.3 CFM CPU Cooler	$58.90 @ Shopping Express
Motherboard	ASRock Z390 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$198.00 @ Shopping Express
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$590.90
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-14 15:13 AEDT+1100

Have to buy the cooler separate as well as a more expensive motherboard to overclock the CPU and ram, and also the 3600 appears to be cheaper on its own

[Mister Woof]

4 minutes ago, Vader987878 said:

intel is cheaper than amd currently in Australia

How much are:

 

8700

8700k

9900

9900k

 

2600

3600

2700

3700

[Damascus]

4 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

AMD

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$314.00 @ Shopping Express
Motherboard	MSI B450M MORTAR MAX Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$149.00 @ Centre Com
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$463.00
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-14 15:12 AEDT+1100

Intel

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Core i5-9600K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor	$334.00 @ Shopping Express
CPU Cooler	Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition 57.3 CFM CPU Cooler	$58.90 @ Shopping Express
Motherboard	ASRock Z390 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$198.00 @ Shopping Express
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$590.90
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-14 15:13 AEDT+1100

Have to buy the cooler separate as well as a more expensive motherboard to overclock the CPU and ram, and also the 3600 appears to be cheaper on its own

You're being rather disingenuous with your lists.  A nice z390 board is absolutely not required to run a 9600k, and it doesn't need to be overclocked.  Moreover, you don't need to spend 60 smackers on a a 212 evo, there are several coolers in the $20-30 AUD range that will quite easily run a 9600k.

[LogicWeasel]

11 minutes ago, Damascus said:

You're being rather disingenuous with your lists.  A nice z390 board is absolutely not required to run a 9600k, and it doesn't need to be overclocked.  Moreover, you don't need to spend 60 smackers on a a 212 evo, there are several coolers in the $20-30 AUD range that will quite easily run a 9600k.

While I tend to agree with your point on the Z390 board choice and the price of that Hyper 212, keep in mind the Australian Dollar looks very inflated and makes stuff look more expensive compared to USD.  I dare say after checking partpicker, there are very few coolers that don't suck for under 30 AUD.

 

 

Edit:  Here's me trying to cut price without being willing to drop to a lower-featured B365 board - 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-9600K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($334.00 @ Shopping Express) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Pure Rock Slim 35.14 CFM CPU Cooler  ($39.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Motherboard: MSI Z390-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($183.70 @ Newegg Australia) 
Total: $556.70
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-14 15:31 AEDT+1100

[Jurrunio]

23 minutes ago, Damascus said:

A nice z390 board is absolutely not required to run a 9600k,

nor is the Phantom 4 all that "nice". It's just a Pro4 reskin which keeps the same components from B360 to Z390.

[Fasauceome]

39 minutes ago, Damascus said:

You're being rather disingenuous with your lists.  A nice z390 board is absolutely not required to run a 9600k, and it doesn't need to be overclocked.  Moreover, you don't need to spend 60 smackers on a a 212 evo, there are several coolers in the $20-30 AUD range that will quite easily run a 9600k.

Ok, but then don't get a 9600K, get any other i5 and a B365 board

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Core i5-9500F 3 GHz 6-Core Processor	$270.00 @ Umart
CPU Cooler	Deepcool GAMMAXX 400 74.34 CFM CPU Cooler	$35.00 @ BudgetPC
Motherboard	ASRock B365M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$119.00 @ Umart
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$424.00
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-14 16:00 AEDT+1100

With any i5 model you're barely less expensive than the Ryzen system, but now the memory speed is harshly capped and you're still down 6 threads.

Edited November 14, 2019 by Fasauceome

[Mister Woof]

1 hour ago, Damascus said:

You're being rather disingenuous with your lists.  A nice z390 board is absolutely not required to run a 9600k, and it doesn't need to be overclocked.  Moreover, you don't need to spend 60 smackers on a a 212 evo, there are several coolers in the $20-30 AUD range that will quite easily run a 9600k.

I don't think disingenuous the the appropriate word

 

You disagree with him. That doesn't make what he said disingenuous.

[Damascus]

1 hour ago, LogicWeasel said:

While I tend to agree with your point on the Z390 board choice and the price of that Hyper 212, keep in mind the Australian Dollar looks very inflated and makes stuff look more expensive compared to USD.  I dare say after checking partpicker, there are very few coolers that don't suck for under 30 AUD.

 

 

Edit:  Here's me trying to cut price without being willing to drop to a lower-featured B365 board - 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-9600K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($334.00 @ Shopping Express) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Pure Rock Slim 35.14 CFM CPU Cooler  ($39.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Motherboard: MSI Z390-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($183.70 @ Newegg Australia) 
Total: $556.70
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-14 15:31 AEDT+1100

I'm Canadian, CAD is on par with AUS.  I actually checked aussie PCPP beforehand, saw a few middling 120mm towers that would do the job in the aforementioned $20-30 range. 

28 minutes ago, Plutosaurus said:

I don't think disingenuous the the appropriate word

 

You disagree with him. That doesn't make what he said disingenuous.

No, it was disingenuous.  Intel is worse, because it costs more.  Now I'm going to inflate the price unnecessarily, making a lopsided and disingenuous comparison.  Not to mention, a stock 9600k on a b365 board will run about as well in gaming as a slightly OC'd 3600 - speaking from personal experience

 

58 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

Ok, but then don't get a 9600K, get any other i5 and a B365 board

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Core i5-9500F 3 GHz 6-Core Processor	$270.00 @ Umart
CPU Cooler	Deepcool GAMMAXX 400 74.34 CFM CPU Cooler	$35.00 @ BudgetPC
Motherboard	ASRock B365M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$119.00 @ Umart
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$424.00
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-14 16:00 AEDT+1100

With any i5 model you're barely less expensive than the Ryzen system, but now the memory speed is harshly capped and you're still down 6 threads.

Does the 9400f not come with a stock cooler now?  I might seem a bit butthurt about this, but I genuinely don't have an issue with either platform being used.  I simply dislike the inflation of costs on Intel's side and constant bUt RyZeN iS tHe oNlY oPtiOn spamming.  I was an early adopter on zen, and have used it on and off throughout each gen since.  Accept that it isn't always the best option, and don't implicitly bias your advice to people who need help.

[Mister Woof]

14 minutes ago, Damascus said:

I'm Canadian, CAD is on par with AUS.  I actually checked aussie PCPP beforehand, saw a few middling 120mm towers that would do the job in the aforementioned $20-30 range. 

No, it was disingenuous.  Intel is worse, because it costs more.  Now I'm going to inflate the price unnecessarily, making a lopsided and disingenuous comparison.  Not to mention, a stock 9600k on a b365 board will run about as well in gaming as a slightly OC'd 3600 - speaking from personal experience

 

Does the 9400f not come with a stock cooler now?  I might seem a bit butthurt about this, but I genuinely don't have an issue with either platform being used.  I simply dislike the inflation of costs on Intel's side and constant bUt RyZeN iS tHe oNlY oPtiOn spamming.  I was an early adopter on zen, and have used it on and off throughout each gen since.  Accept that it isn't always the best option, and don't implicitly bias your advice to people who need help.

 

dis·in·gen·u·ous

/ˌdisənˈjenyo͞oəs/

 

adjective

 

1. not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.

    

    

   You simply disagree with him. He's not being disingenuous. 

[Damascus]

8 minutes ago, Plutosaurus said:

not candid or sincere

Quietly inflating the price to make your arguement better is neither candid nor sincere.  I'm well aware of the definition of the word disingenuous, and used it for a reason

 

Edit:

Another example is the use of a $35 cooler in the second intel example provided.  This is unnecessary, and drives the cost up - once again favoring a bias instead of objectively providing a useful price comparison 

[Fasauceome]

33 minutes ago, Damascus said:

I might seem a bit butthurt about this, but I genuinely don't have an issue with either platform being used

The topic title:

Is the 9600K worth it.

My answer:

No, you pay more for less. 

 

The other i5 SKUs are irrelevant, because OP didn't ask. I shouldn't have bothered to make a parts list because I already gave my 2 cents in what was actually asked. And one of the most important reasons myself and others recommend Ryzen so much is because the upgrade path isn't dead end, kind of a big deal. As for price, my parts lists make sense for the CPU selected and were not misrepresentative of the 9600K's cost or the platform needed to meaningfully use it.

[Damascus]

1 minute ago, Fasauceome said:

The topic title:

Is the 9600K worth it.

My answer:

No, you pay more for less. 

 

The other i5 SKUs are irrelevant, because OP didn't ask. I shouldn't have bothered to make a parts list because I already gave my 2 cents in what was actually asked. And one of the most important reasons myself and others recommend Ryzen so much is because the upgrade path isn't dead end, kind of a big deal.

My issue was, and still is, your recommendation of a list with overpriced parts to make a point.  Swap the 212 for a ring 12 at $25 AUD, maybe chop $50 off the mobo by getting z370 or b360(5) and all of a sudden the prices aren't massively different.  I don't care about anything beyond the manipulation of information to push an agenda.

 

Like, ya.  3600 is good, great even.  It's what I would recomend.  Don't have to stack the deck in it's favour by purposefully crippling its opposition 

[Fasauceome]

3 minutes ago, Damascus said:

maybe chop $50 off the mobo by getting z370 or b360(5)

Absolutely not, no B series board for a K SKU CPU. When OP asked when it was worth it, I made sure to imply that buying a motherboard that does not allow overclocking makes it not worth it, and even still the value is not good. As for Z370, luck of the draw getting one that works. While AMD has a free boot kit to update the BIOS, you'll need indirect methods to make a last gen board work. No "deck stacking," this is the only config that makes sense. Cheaper cooler doesn't change the overall result of my point.

Edited November 14, 2019 by Fasauceome

[Damascus]

8 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

Absolutely not, no B series board for a K SKU CPU. When OP asked when it was worth it, I made sure to imply that buying a motherboard that does not allow overclocking makes it not worth it, and even still the value is not good. As for Z370, luck of the draw getting one that works. While AMD has a free boot kit to update the BIOS, you'll need indirect methods to make a last gen board work. No "deck stacking," this is the only config that makes sense. Cheaper cooler doesn't change the overall result of my point.

A 9600k stock more or less = 3600, oc'd or not.  Speaking from personal experience.  On top of that, a cheaper cooler will reduce the total cost by about 7%, a significant and rather important distinction 

 

Also, what seller hasn't updated the mobos yet lol.  And if it isn't compatible, return it and try again, assuming a platform like Amazon was used (or buy a celeron on Amazon, use it for a day and return it )

[Fasauceome]

Just now, Damascus said:

A 9600k stock more or less = 3600, oc'd or not.  

But then just get an i5 8600? And a B360 or H370 board.

 

Just now, Damascus said:

Also, what seller hasn't updated the mobos yet lol.  And if it isn't compatible, return it and try again, assuming a platform like Amazon was used

Why bother with the hassle? Again, just isn't worth it.

[Damascus]

3 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

But then just get an i5 8600? And a B360 or H370 board.

Like you said, not really OPs question.  They never asked which overclocks better, or which platform was superior.  Merely which cpu, in it's own right, was higher performing.

3 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

Why bother with the hassle? Again, just isn't worth it.

$50 off?  Pretty good reason for me.  Unless your downtime is worth more than $50 an hour it's a worthwhile exchange.

[Fasauceome]

2 minutes ago, Damascus said:

Merely which cpu, in it's own right, was higher performing.

That wasn't the question, the question was if it was worth it. Use case is gaming and streaming.

Edited November 14, 2019 by Fasauceome

[Damascus]

6 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

That wasn't the question, the question was if it was worth it. Use case is gaming and streaming.

Aish, that is correct.  My bad, although my main concern wasn't that to begin with.  I think this has been giga derailed though, so I'm tapping out