Buying AMD instead of Nvidia, change my mind.

[Proffecte]

Hi

 

Going to buy a new computer very soon, planning on buying 5700 XT from MSI when they get custom coolers. The price is just much better compared to Nvidia GPU's, unless the custom cards up the price alot.

 

Is there any reason to why I should pay the extra cash for Nvidia? Going to game on a 1440p, 144hz freesync display(should work with nvidia as well).

 

Running together with i5-9600k

 

/Ray tracing would be cool to have, but I don't really see the need for it atm.

[Princess Luna]

I'm more worried with the i5 9600K than the 5700XT vs 2070 Super dilemma you're in... considering you seem to care for value.

[Uptivuptiz]

I'm not really up to speed with the new GPUs from AMD but like @Princess Luna said, I recommend that you buy a 3600X instead of an 9600K. Just buy a B450 motherboard alongside it and request an update kit from AMD for free.

[Proffecte]

1 hour ago, Princess Luna said:

I'm more worried with the i5 9600K than the 5700XT vs 2070 Super dilemma you're in... considering you seem to care for value.

What do you mean?

 

1 hour ago, Uptivuptiz said:

I'm not really up to speed with the new GPUs from AMD but like @Princess Luna said, I recommend that you buy a 3600X instead of an 9600K. Just buy a B450 motherboard alongside it and request an update kit from AMD for free.

I was thinking about a 3600X, and a x570 motherboard, but I don't want the chipset fan because of noise and reliability. Is the B450/x470 motherboard good enough?

[trufret]

2 hours ago, Proffecte said:

What do you mean?

 

I was thinking about a 3600X, and a x570 motherboard, but I don't want the chipset fan because of noise and reliability. Is the B450/x470 motherboard good enough?

Get a motherboard like an MSI B450 Tomahawk or other board that supports bios upgrades without a cpu installed. That way you can get your Ryzen 3 working without needing an older 1st or 2nd gen Ryzen to update the bios first.

[Proffecte]

2 hours ago, trufret said:

Get a motherboard like an MSI B450 Tomahawk or other board that supports bios upgrades without a cpu installed. That way you can get your Ryzen 3 working without needing an older 1st or 2nd gen Ryzen to update the bios first.

Alright, 3600/3600X + B450/x470 motherboard is fine.. Price difference between 5700 XT and nvidia is just stupid crazy. According to userbencmark 5700 XT is even better than 2060 Super and 2070. If the 5700 XT is good enough for 1440p gaming, I'm buying it, unless someone can give me a good reason not to.

[tofuwannabe]

On 7/31/2019 at 12:46 PM, Uptivuptiz said:

I'm not really up to speed with the new GPUs from AMD but like @Princess Luna said, I recommend that you buy a 3600X instead of an 9600K. Just buy a B450 motherboard alongside it and request an update kit from AMD for free.

Free upgrade kit? Where exactly do you get that from?? I want in!

[Munchboy]

On 7/31/2019 at 7:31 PM, Proffecte said:

Alright, 3600/3600X + B450/x470 motherboard is fine.. Price difference between 5700 XT and nvidia is just stupid crazy. According to userbencmark 5700 XT is even better than 2060 Super and 2070. If the 5700 XT is good enough for 1440p gaming, I'm buying it, unless someone can give me a good reason not to.

Even though I am an AMD fanboy, why not just upgrade your CPU to a 9700K? If gaming is the only thing that concerns you there should be no need to swap your MB to get a Ryzen, Even Steve from GN and JayzTowSents did a vid toegether and said if you're pure gaming and no production work, take the i7-9700K.

But if you decided to go with AMD and you are going to overclock yourself, buy the 3600 non X, same chip, the X is just stock boostet by like 200MHz and has better PBO cuz of the higher stock TDP.

[KaitouX]

5 hours ago, Munchboy said:

Even though I am an AMD fanboy, why not just upgrade your CPU to a 9700K? If gaming is the only thing that concerns you there should be no need to swap your MB to get a Ryzen, Even Steve from GN and JayzTowSents did a vid toegether and said if you're pure gaming and no production work, take the i7-9700K.

But if you decided to go with AMD and you are going to overclock yourself, buy the 3600 non X, same chip, the X is just stock boostet by like 200MHz and has better PBO cuz of the higher stock TDP.

Assuming he already owns the 9600k he shouldn't neither upgrade(9700K) or get the side grade(3600) as both are a waste of money for the small gains. But if he doesn't own neither, the Ryzen is the better option for most uses.

Agreed on the 3600 vs 3600x.

[xAcid9]

On 7/31/2019 at 7:30 PM, Proffecte said:

Ray tracing would be cool to have, but I don't really see the need for it atm.

Are you sure? Think again.

Spoiler

 

[hollyh88]

amd offers no new tech besides their equivalent of dlss. However... the rtx card provides a future proof for when games will mostly come with raytracing. and they will. I know i know, never say future proof but it is true. 

Personally i dont pick a side between green and red. however i do accept that nvidia cards have always been slightly better. I currently have a 1070(evga sc) but been searching to upgrade as well. sadly the power supply that i have is pretty bad (coolermaster g550 gm) But it could handle a 2070 super or 5700xt. 
I would suggest you do the same like me and wait, wait till third party cards come out. and then make a decision. Even though i still will probably get the 2070 s due to raytracing.and im kinda a sucker for good graphics, i still intend to give amd a shot. and so should you. so wait till third party cards will come out. it will either be in a week or in 2/3 weeks.  But never get a blower style gpu. It's not good value. more heat less oc headroom more noise more damage for the card itself in the long run. it's simply not good.

[Dedayog]

16 hours ago, tofuwannabe said:

Free upgrade kit? Where exactly do you get that from?? I want in!

Just google "AMD boot kit".  It's on AMD's site.

[spartaman64]

3 minutes ago, hollyh88 said:

amd offers no new tech besides their equivalent of dlss. However... the rtx card provides a future proof for when games will mostly come with raytracing. and they will. I know i know, never say future proof but it is true. 

Personally i dont pick a side between green and red. however i do accept that nvidia cards have always been slightly better. I currently have a 1070(evga sc) but been searching to upgrade as well. sadly the power supply that i have is pretty bad (coolermaster g550 gm) But it could handle a 2070 super or 5700xt. 
I would suggest you do the same like me and wait, wait till third party cards come out. and then make a decision. Even though i still will probably get the 2070 s due to raytracing.and im kinda a sucker for good graphics, i still intend to give amd a shot. and so should you. so wait till third party cards will come out. it will either be in a week or in 2/3 weeks.  But never get a blower style gpu. It's not good value. more heat less oc headroom more noise more damage for the card itself in the long run. it's simply not good.

i remember when they told us every game in the future will use physx well im still waiting for that lol

[Zando_]

2 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

i remember when they told us every game in the future will use physx well im still waiting for that lol

^^^ Yee, that's one of the "next big thing" features that didn't take off as expected. 

 

7 minutes ago, hollyh88 said:

But never get a blower style gpu. It's not good value. more heat less oc headroom more noise more damage for the card itself in the long run. it's simply not good.

Yes but also no. The blower is loud, but if you ramp it up it seems to keep temps just fine, JayzTwoCents actually pushed his blower 5700XT higher than the one he put on a waterblock, due to ye olde silicon lottery. If you hate noise and can wait though, AIB coolers do offer a better value most of the time (unless it's an SFF case, blowers are often better there). 

 

[ad_hoc]

I don't think you're going to get ray tracing at 1440p and 144fps so it's a non issue.

[spartaman64]

9 minutes ago, ad_hoc said:

I don't think you're going to get ray tracing at 1440p and 144fps so it's a non issue.

inb4 ray tracing in counter strike source

[hollyh88]

6 hours ago, spartaman64 said:

i remember when they told us every game in the future will use physx well im still waiting for that lol

alot of games do use it. but not many no. however. that isnt something like raytracing. it is more of an engine thing. and graphics have always took a priority over engine tech. ray tracing will 100%  be used in more and more games. i mean the next biggest one it will be in is cyberpunk 2077. 

[hollyh88]

6 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

^^^ Yee, that's one of the "next big thing" features that didn't take off as expected. 

 

Yes but also no. The blower is loud, but if you ramp it up it seems to keep temps just fine, JayzTwoCents actually pushed his blower 5700XT higher than the one he put on a waterblock, due to ye olde silicon lottery. If you hate noise and can wait though, AIB coolers do offer a better value most of the time (unless it's an SFF case, blowers are often better there). 

 

ramping it up still doesn't make it a good value for money. a blower-style cooler in 2019 on such a mid/high-end card? big nono. 

You can see that even Nvidia's founder RTX cards are better cooled and thus have more headroom with clock boosting. 

It is just better to have a dual-fan cooler design on the newest gpu's. I mean 80/95 degrees Celcius is horrible. the cooler the card the better it can run. making stuff like blower-style coolers stupid. and I get why AMD did it. I mean saving a bit of money so the price can go down is understandable. but I would have rather paid more and seen a good cooler on it. 

As I stated in my comment I'm also debating whether to get 2070 super or RX 5700xt. But the about 100-150 euro price difference will probably become more like 50-80 euro after third party cards come out. yes, the 2070super beats the 5700xt. however.. it does have new tech. and if you really do care about frames or even graphics, in general, you would lean more towards a 2070super than a 5700xt since the 5700xt really has nothing going for it extra wise. besides the dlss equivalent. 

[xAcid9]

17 hours ago, hollyh88 said:

ray tracing will 100%  be used in more and more games. i mean the next biggest one it will be in is cyberpunk 2077. 

Change ray tracing to hairwork and cyberpunk 2077 to witcher 3. Welcome to LTT forum 2015.