Motherboard Tier List (EOL)

[Flying Sausages]

1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

that doesn't work, there will be a big difference between the heatsink's temperature on the point of sensing and the actual powerstage temperature.

 

The board does have over temperature shutdown function for the VRM, so it wont blow up for sure. I myself dont think even the 16 core will overheat it either when unrestrained, especially when you let the power and current limits do their thing.

What is the overheating temp for vrm?

 

How to use the laser temp gun to check vrm temp? 

[Jurrunio]

4 minutes ago, OlympicAssEater said:

What is the overheating temp for vrm?

 

How to use the laser temp gun to check vrm temp? 

125C, tho most throttle at about 110-115C

 

You can't on boards with VRM heatsink, period.

[Flying Sausages]

2 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

125C, tho most throttle at about 110-115C

 

You can't on boards with VRM heatsink, period.

Oh okay. That feature is already enabled on X470F right?

[Jurrunio]

27 minutes ago, OlympicAssEater said:

Oh okay. That feature is already enabled on X470F right?

there is no toggle, if there is this function then it will work 24/7

[uberas]

I can see that B450 Gaming Plus and B450M Gaming Plus from MSI are at the same Tier - what's about MSI B450I GAMING PLUS AC(the mini ITX version)?

[Jurrunio]

9 hours ago, uberas said:

I can see that B450 Gaming Plus and B450M Gaming Plus from MSI are at the same Tier - what's about MSI B450I GAMING PLUS AC(the mini ITX version)?

well I forgot about it in the mess of Gaming Plus boards. It should be in the same tier tho, barely not good enough to make it one tier up.

[SerafimRF]

Guys, can you help me with the choice, Asus x570 TUF wifi vs Asrock x570 taichi, in tier list its the same.

 

As i know they have different topology. I want to have 4 stick in future, but read some investigation about daisy chain drops with 4 stick, dont know how hard it in real life. Maybe better to sit with 2 sticks with Asusu for future.

I am not hardcore overclocker, just OC RAM and other parts to good stable state and leave for years.

Plan to have 2070 super, for now 3600 and maybe next year 3950X, Hyperx predator RGB 2x8 4000 CL19.

 

Will be happy to hear your  opinion and advice.

 

Maybe i need to switch to Asusu x570 STRIX.

[Jurrunio]

37 minutes ago, SerafimRF said:

I am not hardcore overclocker

then you can forget the topology or even 4000MHz rated memory kit, not worth it.

 

As for board, unless you have needs for the extra connectivity on the Taichi, you dont need to spend more than what the TUF Wifi costs you.

 

38 minutes ago, SerafimRF said:

Asusu x570 STRIX.

X570-F is just the TUF WiFi with Intel networking instead of Realtek, and different aesthetics. Super not worth it.

 

X570-E is better but then overkill.

[SerafimRF]

Jurrunio, thank you for your answer.

 

You are right, i am not interested in connectivity, TUF have absolutely everething what i need.

 

I just think if in the next year, when we will get ryzen 4000 they can recieve + 400 Mhz optimal state of IF, and in this case 4000 Mhz nice for future proof)

 

I think this memory can easily get 3800 with CL16 and with IF clock 1900 will be the best.

What do you think about 4 stick in x570 TUF, is it still be able to achive 3800 MHZ CL16? 

[Jurrunio]

4 minutes ago, SerafimRF said:

I just think if in the next year, when we will get ryzen 4000 they can recieve + 400 Mhz optimal state of IF, and in this case 4000 Mhz nice for future proof)

Being another tock cycle, 4000 series should improve on 3000 like 2000 did on 1000, which is like 10%... I really doubt there will be huge improvements.

 

Also running 64GB itself is too harsh on the memory controller, even on Intel Z390 no system goes past 3600MHz without a ton of time invested in tuning the memory.

 

Best way to spend money is still to stock pile on 3000MHz or 3200MHz memory kit, and only go for faster ones when the price is right. 3200MHz CL16 to 3600MHz CL16 (same major timings) for example, 3600MHz only improves overall performance by 5-10%, and 3600 to 3866MHz (assuming 1933MHz FCLK) only improves another 2% on top of that, the cost tho shoots up much faster.

[SerafimRF]

I`m planning to have 16 gb for now, and maybe later get + 16 more. I think for gaming now 16 gb more than enough and 32 gb just overkill amounth for future.

That why i care about 4 stick OC. 

 

Some people just told that it drops Mhz and timings hard when you go from 2 to 4 stick. Just dont have expirience with this, have only mITX with Ryzen.

 

And i have very nice price for this predator, 160 EUR, its 20 usd cheaper than Amazon provide) 

 

But i am bit surprised with your numbers, 2% for 250 Mhz not too much, it looks like best option to try 3600 CL 14 with 1900 IF clock

[SerafimRF]

sry 1800) miss click

[Jurrunio]

8 hours ago, SerafimRF said:

But i am bit surprised with your numbers, 2% for 250 Mhz not too much, it looks like best option to try 3600 CL 14 with 1900 IF clock

Gains get exponentially smaller as memory frequency goes higher and higher. The biggest doubt I have tho is whether your high frequency but also high latency kit does with lower frequency and tight timings. It is possible that samples binned into them are good for frequency but no good for timings.

 

8 hours ago, SerafimRF said:

sry 1800) miss click

if you can't get FCLK at least 55% of the memory data rate, might as well keep FCLK half of data rate instead.

[ChaoticG8R]

On 9/24/2019 at 11:23 AM, Jurrunio said:

well I forgot about it in the mess of Gaming Plus boards. It should be in the same tier tho, barely not good enough to make it one tier up.

Not to be rude, but did you even look before making this comment?  Pretty sure it should be in the Tier B motherboards, it has the best VRM of any B450 with an IR35201 combo'd with pure IR3555s.

[LukeSavenije]

2 hours ago, ChaoticG8R said:

Not to be rude, but did you even look before making this comment?  Pretty sure it should be in the Tier B motherboards, it has the best VRM of any B450 with an IR35201 combo'd with pure IR3555s.

@Jurrunio doesn't look, he calculates

[Jurrunio]

2 hours ago, ChaoticG8R said:

Not to be rude, but did you even look before making this comment?  Pretty sure it should be in the Tier B motherboards, it has the best VRM of any B450 with an IR35201 combo'd with pure IR3555s.

Problem is the heatsink. Not only is it noticeably smaller than say, the ATX Gaming Plus, the fins on the under side is too tightly packed to work without a fan pushing air through it. Comparing to the Gigabyte X570-I, that board not only has 70A TDA21472 instead, also a VRM + chipset combined (with heatpipe) heatsink with a fan directly on top of the chipset heatsink part. Now of course, I could have underestimated the heatsinks and they don't suck as much as they look, but better safe than sorry, especially for ITX boards which is much more likely to be stuffed into cases with less airflow.

[FrostCx]

Why is the X570 GT8 placed so low? It has the best vrm design possible out of the $200 range x570 boards. It features a 1x International Rectifier IR3555 60A mofset being powered by  International Rectifier IR35201 voltage controller and those specs alone in my opinion is what makes the board better than the hyped up aorus elite board. it  features a mofset called SiC634 which only goes up to 50A and the gt8 goes up to 60A

[Jurrunio]

8 minutes ago, FrostCx said:

Why is the X570 GT8 placed so low? It has the best vrm design possible out of the $200 range x570 boards. It features a 1x International Rectifier IR3555 60A mofset being powered by  International Rectifier IR35201 voltage controller and those specs alone in my opinion is what makes the board better than the hyped up aorus elite board. it  features a mofset called SiC634 which only goes up to 50A and the gt8 goes up to 60A

It's not good enough to go a tier up. The X570 elite has 12 50A powerstages rather than X570 GT8's 8 60A and is more efficient at high loads.

[FrostCx]

Just now, Jurrunio said:

It's not good enough to go a tier up either.

why not can you elaborate? its like the best motherboard judging it feature wise in the sub $200 range

[Jurrunio]

Just now, FrostCx said:

why not can you elaborate? its like the best motherboard judging it feature wise in the sub $200 range

refresh the page and you'll see the reason.

[Detective]

Hi,

 

Thanks for the list, I want to know if "x570 Arous Master" can run the upcoming 3950x overclocked easily?

I've never purchased PC parts on black friday before, I want to know if I will see a big difference in prices for the latest Ryzen Gen 3 CPUs, x570 motherboards & the latest Radeon GPUs or the big sale is all about finishing the old stock? 

 

 

 

[LukeSavenije]

7 minutes ago, Detective said:

Thanks for the list, I want to know if "x570 Arous Master" can run the upcoming 3950x overclocked easily?

well... we don't have exact numbers on the current pulling of it yet, but by the look of things it should

[Jurrunio]

5 minutes ago, Detective said:

 

Thanks for the list, I want to know if "x570 Arous Master" can run the upcoming 3950x overclocked easily?

Yes, if Gigabyte doesn't screw up the BIOS for some reason. Even the Elite can handle the 12 core with about 80C max VRM temperature, the even better Master should have no problem handling the extra power draw

 

5 minutes ago, Detective said:

I want to know if I will see a big difference in prices for the latest Ryzen Gen 3 CPUs, x570 motherboards & the latest Radeon GPUs or the big sale is all about finishing the old stock? 

it's more of a reason to push year sales numbers, besides Christmas. The other Ryzen 3rd gen CPUs could see some discount, but 3950X is definitely not going to be cheap since it will be a new product by then and there's no competiting product in the market. X570 boards could be cheaper. If the latest flagship Radeon GPU is still the 5700XT then there will also be discounts, tho it's not a balanced match for gaming with 3950x and Aorus Master board.

[Detective]

7 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

well... we don't have exact numbers on the current pulling of it yet, but by the look of things it should

Thanks for the quick reply, the only reason I am thinking of buying an "X570 Arous Master" is because in two or three years, I want to upgrade my CPU without the need of upgrading the motherboard.

3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Yes, if Gigabyte doesn't screw up the BIOS for some reason. Even the Elite can handle the 12 core with about 80C max VRM temperature, the even better Master should have no problem handling the extra power draw

 

it's more of a reason to push year sales numbers, besides Christmas. The other Ryzen 3rd gen CPUs could see some discount, but 3950X is definitely not going to be cheap since it will be a new product by then and there's no competiting product in the market. X570 boards could be cheaper. If the latest flagship Radeon GPU is still the 5700XT then there will also be discounts, tho it's not a balanced match for gaming with 3950x and Aorus Master board.

Thanks also for the quick & informative reply, I will be pairing it with the 3700x, but as I mentioned above it's more of a future proof strategy.

[Triboal]

Hey guys,

 

Out of interest, can I ask why the X570 Crosshair VIII Hero is in tier S but the X570 Aorus Master is in tier S-? I understand why the Aorus Xtreme and Godlike are in tier S but I just can’t understand why you guys put the Hero on the same tier as those? I thought the Hero was in competition with the Aorus Master VRM-wise? Probably my misunderstanding or I’m missing something but just curious. 
 

Love the motherboard tier list though, super helpful!