Stefan Payne

Do I get famous now??
Anyway, good to see that they continue to solder the Chips.
 
Paste might be OK for sub 100€ Chips with low Power Consumption but we're talking about 200€+ Chips, they should be soldered.

Then get a quiet PSU. Moar Watt doesn't mean quieter, just moar Watt.
 
Anyway, quiet units: 550W be quiet Straight Power 11, Bitfenix Whisper M (or Formula).

Well, was to be expected.
 
It would look totally weird if cheap or ITX Boards did support PCIe 4.0 but the highest end, 250€ Board doesn't due to the Switchers...

Well, was to be expected.
 
It would look totally weird if cheap or ITX Boards did support PCIe 4.0 but the highest end, 250€ Board doesn't due to the Switchers...

Well, was to be expected.
 
It would look totally weird if cheap or ITX Boards did support PCIe 4.0 but the highest end, 250€ Board doesn't due to the Switchers...

Well, was to be expected.
 
It would look totally weird if cheap or ITX Boards did support PCIe 4.0 but the highest end, 250€ Board doesn't due to the Switchers...

Well, was to be expected.
 
It would look totally weird if cheap or ITX Boards did support PCIe 4.0 but the highest end, 250€ Board doesn't due to the Switchers...

Mine don't for the most part. The Dark Power P8 has an 8pin and the Delta DPS-500QB but neither Bitfenix, Corsair, Cougar, Be Quiet Pure Power 10 have an 8pin. They have a P4+4...
 
And that is the Misleading part...
Because the Connector he has is what the PSU Manufacturer call, as said, "P4-4". It looks exactly like that.
 
And that he only saw one 4pin might be because:
https://m.bonanza.mx/items/like/670081328
...the second part of the Cable was somewhere else. 
 
 
And yes, it has the "Correct Shape", here is Proof:
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Accessories-|-Parts/PC-Components/Power-Supplies/Type-3-Sleeved-Black-EPS-12V-CPU-Cable/p/CP-8920115
 
@Abhi1401
You see the Picture on the Corsair Site? That looks exactly like the Pic of the CPU Connector(s) you posted.
We are _NOT_ talking about an average "no-name" PSU no more, we are talking about a decent quality OEM unit made by one of the best and biggest manufacturers...
I have found some (small) Pictures of the Insides.
 
And this unit is based on a so called LLC-Resonant Topology with DC-DC. So it is very modern. And decent quality. 
The Only issue is that we do not know the quality of the output voltages...
 
Besides that, its a pretty good quality unit, about as good or better as for example a Corsair CX...

Well, was to be expected.
 
It would look totally weird if cheap or ITX Boards did support PCIe 4.0 but the highest end, 250€ Board doesn't due to the Switchers...

Well, was to be expected.
 
It would look totally weird if cheap or ITX Boards did support PCIe 4.0 but the highest end, 250€ Board doesn't due to the Switchers...

By people who rate a PSU by Brand/Name and not insides.

Yes, because we are not competent enough to rate the Build Quality.
In this Forum, there is _ONE_ Person that might have some experience to do that.
And that is @jonnyGURU
Because he works as a manufacturer and has access to data I/we have not.
 
But to really be able to rate the Build Quality, you have to be an electronics engineer with specialty in Power Engineering (means not Dave Jones, he specialized more in Nautical, Measurement and FPGA Design).
 
There is no inrush protection.
There is only Inrush limiting. Basically a Resistor (either a normal one that might or might not be brigded by a switch or a temperature dependant resistor) in series with the whole PSU. That means that with a 1200W PSU, the whole 10A has to go through this resistor if its not bridged.
 
Besides that:
Its technically an output filtering, not an input one. It is there to keep the shit from the PSU from the mains, not the other way around. ITs called input filtering because its the first thing happening and on the input stage of the PSU. Not because it filters the Input.
 
Everything? To a certain point...
At a certain point the "better Performance" is not relevant no more.
 
If you disagree, try to work with us and try to make it better!
But just complaining solves nothing...

No, because every decent PSU of the last 10 years comes with an 8pin.
 
So that means you have probably a total garbage PSU that will kill your stuff - the only question is when.

No, because every decent PSU of the last 10 years comes with an 8pin.
 
So that means you have probably a total garbage PSU that will kill your stuff - the only question is when.

Because U9 has working protection and was reviewed, the S12-3 has no good review and IIRC the used Protection Chip is the usual 8pin garbage, wich is a bad idea on a Dual Mag-Amp unit, because that means you totally rely on UVP on minor rails.
And some of those 8pin things don't come with UVP on 12V either.

Yes, because we are not competent enough to rate the Build Quality.
In this Forum, there is _ONE_ Person that might have some experience to do that.
And that is @jonnyGURU
Because he works as a manufacturer and has access to data I/we have not.
 
But to really be able to rate the Build Quality, you have to be an electronics engineer with specialty in Power Engineering (means not Dave Jones, he specialized more in Nautical, Measurement and FPGA Design).
 
There is no inrush protection.
There is only Inrush limiting. Basically a Resistor (either a normal one that might or might not be brigded by a switch or a temperature dependant resistor) in series with the whole PSU. That means that with a 1200W PSU, the whole 10A has to go through this resistor if its not bridged.
 
Besides that:
Its technically an output filtering, not an input one. It is there to keep the shit from the PSU from the mains, not the other way around. ITs called input filtering because its the first thing happening and on the input stage of the PSU. Not because it filters the Input.
 
Everything? To a certain point...
At a certain point the "better Performance" is not relevant no more.
 
If you disagree, try to work with us and try to make it better!
But just complaining solves nothing...

there are enough people with an Ryzen 2000 CPU that like to have the games that now come with the CPU...
SO yeah, you can absolutely do that!

No, its not.
Its a garbage System...
 
4C/4T are already problematic in some games due to 4C/4T.
Its the same shit as back in the day with the Core 2 Duo vs. Core 2 Quad.
Or back in the day with Athlon 64 3700+ vs x2/3800+.
The Athlon X2 was released in around 2005.
ANd now look how it looked 2008:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/15100/Assassins_Creed_Directors_Cut_Edition/
Only ~3 Years later, there were games that didn't run on the, at that time for games, faster 3700+...
 
In German we'd say that the 9100F is enough from "12 bis Mittag", wich translates to "from 12 to lunch". Meaning its old now...
It might look fast right now - in some games, but its really not worth the money!
 
Its basically the same thing you had before!
And with Intel, you have NO UPGRADE PATH!
 
Why the heck would you want the same stuff a couple of years later, when you can get something much better for just a bit more???
 

PS: next Month, 7nm Ryzen will be released wich is much faster than anything AMD has right now. In Multi Thrad a 6 Core Ryzen 3600 seems to be equal to the 2700X. And Single Thread its much better...
 

The 9400 would be a bigger upgrade as it has +50% cores.
Only 15% more after 4 Years is a joke...

Or are you saying that an Athlon 64/4000+ would have been awesome in 2007???
oh wait, Core 2 Duo was there...
So you do admit that you know that there are already situations where the 4C/4T CPU you are recommending here is not enough.
So you willingly recommended  @Fred944 a CPU you know is already struggling, instead of a slightly more expensive one that has some "reserves for the Future".
 
Why are you recommending a CPU where you know that its already struggling?? Don't you think that @Fred944 might regret listening to you and your advise, when the Games he wants to play are stuttering and run pretty bad, because he only has 4 Cores??
And then he might see that they might run a bit better on the 1600 he originally wanted...
 
And then he also sees that there is a newer AMD Chip that he could also have put on the Board he was originally intending on using, wich totally annihilated everything that was available at the time of purchase...
 
Yeah, no. That's not good advise.
 
YOU are making the same claims that people did back in the day when they said that the Q9550 was not worth it and the E8600 was all he ever needed...
Feels like Deja-Vu...

Oh and that was the same when the first Dual Cores were released as well. See above the Assasin's Creed Link...

By people who rate a PSU by Brand/Name and not insides.

By people who rate a PSU by Brand/Name and not insides.

GX-F isn't available in Europe no more, sadly...

...wich looks like france...
 
First question:
Does it have to be now, can it wait a Month and 5 days (+Shipping)??
CPU is OK, nothing wrong with ith way too expensive. You waste money here and don't have enough for a "balanced" System...
an alternative could be the Sapphire Nitro+ Vega64 or the Pulse VEGA56. no. Ryzen likes high speed memory and you need 2 for optimal performance. So 2x8GiB DDR4-2666 minimum, 2800 or 3000 recommended don't get a Motherboard without CPU VRM Heatsinks. That said -> AsRock B450M PRO4 for 84€ or so is way better Get a 1TB SSD instead. They are around 100€ or so but really worth it. 3,5" HDD should be at least 2TB, better 4. urgh, no. For that System you should get a good one. Minimum is Pure power 11, 500W better Straight Power 11, 550W don't save too much on your first Case. You regret it later 10 times over. Look for at least a 60-75€ Case. The bare minimum: reusable slot bracket cover and the screews for the Cards should be inside the case not outside like on that one. BIOS Update for 2000 series is not needed on 400 Series Chipset (wich B450 is).
 
Get a different stick.
I have a Patriot Viper (4) DDR4-3200 Stick and that one runs awesomely well in my system.
possibly.
Solution: Get a cheaper GPU, spend the saved money on better everything else.

As someone who actually games on a 4 core i5 and not a 6 core 9700k, it’s not a good experience. I’m personally fine with a slightly worse experience so I don’t have to upgrade, but OP is looking to get a faster system. Going from a 6500 to a 9100F is a negligible benefit.
 
Also, your value calculations are wrong, you can’t compare the CPUs alone. We must compare the price of full systems. The system that I specced out with a 2600 and Vega 56 is a similar price to your i3 and 2060, making your “9100 is better value” argument completely
wrong. 

Yes, it does.
Because it shows the direction its going.
Same as back in the day with the 2 Cores and so.
Its the same argument as back in the day...
So does the 1600.
You're saying?
 
The difference is that the 1600 has +50% cores and 3 times the Threads (=SMT2 on)
And wich ones might that be?
The ones that run like shit on all Systems, that are Single Threaded??
No but you are recommending a CPU that's basically the same as his old rig, that doesn't offer any noticable/significant increase over the old one he had while there are better options for just a little bit more!
And there is also the upgradability to consider, wich is non existant on Intel. While there is something interesting coming from AMD.
 
Nobody is talking about that.
We're talking about 100-150€ CPUs.
Not 500€ CPUs.
 
Apples <-> Oranges.
Ryzen 1200 -> https://geizhals.de/amd-ryzen-3-1200-yd1200bbaebox-a1663145.html#offerlist  - 59€ at the time writing this Posting
 
Your i3-9100F: https://geizhals.de/intel-core-i3-9100f-bx80684i39100f-a2056671.html - 99€ at time of writing this post.
So almost 70% more for the 9100F!
THAT makes a big difference!

And that's what you miss -> the Price of the Chip.