OS X Software Experience - iSwitched to Mac Part 3

[AlwaysFSX]

Deep breaths.

Let's not brainlessly throw terms like 'simple minded people' and 'need their system locked down,' shall we? I consider myself a pretty big power user, and on the contrary find Windows a lesser experience than OS X. And I used Windows every day of my life until my first Mac.

Respect others' opinions!

The general user is though.

[StevenRobinson]

Yvonne review 2014-1.doc? lol

 

A good video, this is Linus's impressions based on how he interacts with new user interfaces and systems. Everyone reacts different so what is obvious to one person is not obvious to the next, I found this when seeing the review for Windows Phone 8, some thing that I thought were obvious he didn't. Maybe one day computers will read our brain and change the UI to some kind of layout for our personality. I think I'd be great but my co-worker would be losing stuff every 10 seconds so...

 

When I win the lottery I'll definitely try a Mac so that I can form my own opinions but until then, buggy ass Windows 10 for me!

[suicidalfranco]

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osx looks so much like linux they have literally copy pasted everything

An now Win10 is joining the party

[suicidalfranco]

Hi Linus. How about taking up the "Linux Challenge" next. The OS is free and you don't need to buy expensive hardware to run it, how about doing a multi-part Linux Challenge? The folks over at Tech-Syndicate are also dipping their toes in the Linux pool and there are several Linux specific podcasts (with the linux action show being the most popular), how about some penguin loving over at Linus Tech Tips?? I mean yous share the same as the guy who created it.....

I feel you could bring a gaming focused view of the Linux desktop to the table, which would be nice. Most of the existing tech content is either completely focused on Linux or they don't care about it at all, a well balanced discussion of the third most popular desktop and the most popular server operating system in the world would be nice.

If you do take up the challenge then I would recommend going with an nvidia card to begin with. Go with either Ubuntu(Unity), Kubuntu(KDE) or Fedora Workstation(Gnome), maybe even opensuse?? Use Lightworks for video editing software and WPS Office instead of libreoffice.

Hope you take up the challenge, you'll have fun...I promise!

Like if you think Linus should had to the games benchmarks gpu comparison Native Linux, Linux CrossOver/PlayOnLinux/Wine

[lufihengr]

IMO, OS X  is a trackpad optimized OS with all the gestures. I wish Linus would have tested a MacBook instead. 

[cloclo8003]

He should try Linux for a month too

[ShadowCaptain]

yeah,i mean if you even take debian or ubuntu(which is bascially debian) and install some linux mint themes and stuff like that..... it looks like osx and functions much better than osx also if you see north koreas red mac osx they have actually used a linux kernel to do that 

OSX is not just about the aesthetics, and honesly I find OSX way more user friend than Linux, and OSX has much more software available, which is much easier to access and install, you click "install" in the app store, or if you download the DMG you just drag it to the applications folder and BAM program installed

 

Honestly the lack of software available on Linux is the main drawback, sure there are ways to get it working but 99% of users cant be bothered with the hassle, 

 

OSX or Windows are much simpler in that regard

 

Strangely even though I have always been a Windows user I actually prefer OSX as an OS, I really do like how it works and functions, I love mission control expose and spaces, how program installs are handles and how smooth it runs

 

Whenever I edit on my friends 15" retina pro, it still just feels better than working on my PC... its hard to explain

[ShadowCaptain]

The general user is though.

 

Somewhat true, though not always, from working as an Apple Specialist for 2 years I saw my fair share of different users through the door

 

Anywhere from a bumbling 80 year old man who wants to facetime his kids, to a 30 year old pro photographer that wanted a laptop with good battery life and screen etc, even some people who were into programming or students doing computer science (like my friend who went to Oxford)

 

But yeah the average mac buyer from my experience, were the parents of a family, often without chilren or teenagers, wanting something that can tie all of the home together, everyone had iphones and iPads... they wanted a place everyone could snyc to, that kids could do homework on, that handled basic photo and video editing, had cool stuff like garageband so the kids could learn music etc

 

The Mac experience is really pleasant in that way, it makes windows feel clunky and awkward, especially when compared to windows 8

 

I used to train people in a 30/40 minute training session how to use OSX and often did not see them back, or if they did come back they were pretty good at using it

 

When I trained people on windows 8, many would struggle

[SuperfastJellyfish]

Great. A video full of misinformation that will only make the ignorant even more ignorant.

[electrowiz64]

Hear me out, what I wanna see is if it is possible for Linus to do a video on steam streaming from a dedicated PC to the iMac streaming 4K or even 5K games (possibly with old, less demanding games), over a dedicated wired network. I really want to get the iMac but would like to know that the iMac can as well decode all that bandwidth without stutter. Is there some kind of suggestion box for him to try to do that?

[Builder]

So yeah, @LinusTech, this video was basically what I expected it to be. Clueless Windows user who has never used anything else tries a Mac for 30 days seemingly in a vacuum without Google and storms away angrily from it, because it doesn't work the way he expected it to. It's ok. I know how you feel. I went through the same thing at one point.

 

OS X is not just a different graphical skin over Windows. It's UNIX. Every interaction metaphor you can possibly think of can and will be different. In UNIX, everything is a file. Get used to it. It's extremely powerful. Literally everything is a file that can be located in the file system. There is no registry. When you type "defaults write" you're using a command line tool that flips a boolean value (bit) in an XML file in a directory somewhere on your Mac known as a plist, or property list. You can go to these files manually and open them in Xcode to edit them if you want to, there's a graphical interface. There is no registry. The registry in Windows was a terrible idea, even Windows geeks like Jeff Atwood agree. Windows even used to have a solution similar to plists at one point called ini files and the plist XML spec was actually based off of the ini spec of the time.

 

Basically everything you said about the mouse and keyboard was wrong. You should have chosen the magic trackpad instead. I'm not going to say more because it's already been done into exhaustion.

 

Same with Finder. Column view is the killer app. Use it.

 

And about window management...this was the hardest for me to adjust to.

 

Mac users don't maximize windows. Weird, right? It's inefficient to maximize everything when you're working on multiple things at once because you can't use the mouse to navigate between windows. And if you're only working on one thing, that's what full screen is for.

 

Command+tab. Seriously. command+tab. Acts like alt+tab on Windows. Switches to the last open window of the app. Clicking the dock icon brings ALL OF THE WINDOWS of that app to the front.

 

OS X is enormously different and if you come into it thinking you won't like it, you won't. You especially won't like it if you don't make an effort to try. If you ever use Mac again, tell me so I can be a guide for you to answer questions about things, a weed sherpa, if you will, but for Macs. A Mac sherpa. (hey! I should start a blog helping Windows users switch to Mac called Mac Sherpa! but I digress) We're quite friendly in the Mac community. Try me. I bet there's not a single qualm you had with OS X that I couldn't help you with. The Mac is its own platform with 30 years of UI design and heritage. Windows has significantly less. Windows' UI was carelessly ripped off from Mac OS with little consideration to what's important about design. Same with Windows' filesystem. It uses \ for directories instead of / just to look different from UNIX.

 

But seriously though. I think I can comfortably say I'm the most experienced Mac user on this forum and possibly the most experienced UNIX user as well. If you need help with absolutely anything Mac in the future, don't hesitate to contact me.

[TheSLSAMG]

So yeah, @LinusTech, this video was basically what I expected it to be. Clueless Windows user who has never used anything else tries a Mac for 30 days seemingly in a vacuum without Google and storms away angrily from it, because it doesn't work the way he expected it to. It's ok. I know how you feel. I went through the same thing at one point.

 

OS X is not just a different graphical skin over Windows. It's UNIX. Every interaction metaphor you can possibly think of can and will be different. In UNIX, everything is a file. Get used to it. It's extremely powerful. Literally everything is a file that can be located in the file system. There is no registry. When you type "defaults write" you're using a command line tool that flips a boolean value (bit) in an XML file in a directory somewhere on your Mac known as a plist, or property list. You can go to these files manually and open them in Xcode to edit them if you want to, there's a graphical interface. There is no registry. The registry in Windows was a terrible idea, even Windows geeks like Jeff Atwood agree. Windows even used to have a solution similar to plists at one point called ini files and the plist XML spec was actually based off of the ini spec of the time.

 

Basically everything you said about the mouse and keyboard was wrong. You should have chosen the magic trackpad instead. I'm not going to say more because it's already been done into exhaustion.

 

Same with Finder. Column view is the killer app. Use it.

 

And about window management...this was the hardest for me to adjust to.

 

Mac users don't maximize windows. Weird, right? It's inefficient to maximize everything when you're working on multiple things at once because you can't use the mouse to navigate between windows. And if you're only working on one thing, that's what full screen is for.

 

Command+tab. Seriously. command+tab. Acts like alt+tab on Windows. Switches to the last open window of the app. Clicking the dock icon brings ALL OF THE WINDOWS of that app to the front.

 

OS X is enormously different and if you come into it thinking you won't like it, you won't. You especially won't like it if you don't make an effort to try. If you ever use Mac again, tell me so I can be a guide for you to answer questions about things, a weed sherpa, if you will, but for Macs. A Mac sherpa. (hey! I should start a blog helping Windows users switch to Mac called Mac Sherpa! but I digress) We're quite friendly in the Mac community. Try me. I bet there's not a single qualm you had with OS X that I couldn't help you with. The Mac is its own platform with 30 years of UI design and heritage. Windows has significantly less. Windows' UI was carelessly ripped off from Mac OS with little consideration to what's important about design. Same with Windows' filesystem. It uses \ for directories instead of / just to look different from UNIX.

 

But seriously though. I think I can comfortably say I'm the most experienced Mac user on this forum and possibly the most experienced UNIX user as well. If you need help with absolutely anything Mac in the future, don't hesitate to contact me.

Of all of the things I expected to see around here, Builder? Huh, nice to see you back, even if it's only for a little while.

[Builder]

Of all of the things I expected to see around here, Builder? Huh, nice to see you back, even if it's only for a little while.

Double snow day

[NeoZeon]

Most experience mac and unix user eh.... I don't know about that, but who really cares. You made some good points, but on the flip side my mother (who uses a mac) has no idea what unix really is. And while Linus probably knows of unix, I really doubt he knows what unix is, and so he has made a point in that he didn't like it as much as windows. 

 

I think OSX has worked well for advanced users, and for the layman. But if your caught in between (most of this forum, and Linus) the transition might be more difficult. 

[msmafra]

Hi!

 

Would be wonderful if Linus addressed that Mac OS X the awful experience that OS X gives when not using an Apple keyboard. Apple keyboards are not cheap (here in Brazil) and not good ones too. I say that because again another one of my apple keyboard is failing that's the second one in 4 years. I want to buy a good keyboard as good as my short money can get but while testing my other one (Logitech K240) it seems impossible to set it.

 

Would yo please do this test using your iMac. Could use some mechanical keyboards an the awful Apple one.

 

OS X has a very good workflow but seems to be anchored in the past. Not supporting common keyboard as any other operating systems there. That's shameful

[EdgyVenison]

Hi!

 

Would be wonderful if Linus addressed that Mac OS X the awful experience that OS X gives when not using an Apple keyboard. Apple keyboards are not cheap (here in Brazil) and not good ones too. I say that because again another one of my apple keyboard is failing that's the second one in 4 years. I want to buy a good keyboard as good as my short money can get but while testing my other one (Logitech K240) it seems impossible to set it.

 

Would yo please do this test using your iMac. Could use some mechanical keyboards an the awful Apple one.

 

OS X has a very good workflow but seems to be anchored in the past. Not supporting common keyboard as any other operating systems there. That's shameful

That's bullshit, I used Corsair K70 on it without any problems.

[Victorious Secret]

Hi!

 

Would be wonderful if Linus addressed that Mac OS X the awful experience that OS X gives when not using an Apple keyboard. Apple keyboards are not cheap (here in Brazil) and not good ones too. I say that because again another one of my apple keyboard is failing that's the second one in 4 years. I want to buy a good keyboard as good as my short money can get but while testing my other one (Logitech K240) it seems impossible to set it.

 

Would yo please do this test using your iMac. Could use some mechanical keyboards an the awful Apple one.

 

OS X has a very good workflow but seems to be anchored in the past. Not supporting common keyboard as any other operating systems there. That's shameful

 

I'm calling BS as well. Logitech straight up offers OS X drivers and software, RAzer does as well. The keyboard support is fairly robust even without proper drivers and software so I have no earthly idea what you're on about.