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is it just me or is the 5K iMac and Mac mini not good enough?

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I think that the hardware inside them is not sufficient.

I think that the GPU in the iMac is not sufficient cos it is a laptop graphics chip. Maxwell desktop chips would be perfect cos they have a low tdp or they should at least include SLI 980Ms do drive a 5k display

Also the Mac mini is underpowered cos it only has a dual core i5\i7 and the equivalent mini PCs include quad core versions of these chips at much lower prices

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They are fine for non-gamer home users

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I think that the hardware inside them is not sufficient.

I think that the GPU in the iMac is not sufficient cos it is a laptop graphics chip. Maxwell desktop chips would be perfect cos they have a low tdp or they should at least include SLI 980Ms do drive a 5k display

Also the Mac mini is underpowered cos it only has a dual core i5\i7 and the equivalent mini PCs include quad core versions of these chips at much lower prices

 

The mac is not aimed at gamers. as far as video and photo editing go, the AMD mobile chip will do a perfectly good job at this task even in programs like Apeture/Photoshop and Premier/Final Cut

 

Dont forget the 5k display is included in the price!

 

The mac mini is a basic entry level desktop, for how it will be used and who it will be used by it will be perfectly powerful for browsing documents basic photo edidint in iPhoto and iMovie, perhaps for a school kid, or young family

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Macs are not for gaming, they are home and productivity based, so they're perfect for that. They were never made for gamers, the hardware is just right for the application.

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It's enough for what it is used for, you could argue it isn't enough for the price but design & marketing are expensive. Apple also uses nice ips displays I imagine those being expensive.

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I think that the hardware inside them is not sufficient.

I think that the GPU in the iMac is not sufficient cos it is a laptop graphics chip. Maxwell desktop chips would be perfect cos they have a low tdp or they should at least include SLI 980Ms do drive a 5k display

Also the Mac mini is underpowered cos it only has a dual core i5\i7 and the equivalent mini PCs include quad core versions of these chips at much lower prices

 

Those hardwares are really powerful as they can do video and picture editing on a 5K display

 

Gaming require stupidly powerful hardware if you compare it with workstation PC-s ( not talking about render farms now).

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It's Mac... what ever did you expect?

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well mac mini isnt powerful, u can get a more powerful laptop for the same price or even less

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well mac mini isnt powerful, u can get a more powerful laptop for the same price or even less

with a 5k display?

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with a 5k display?

The 5K display doesn't come with the Mini, it is the iMac.

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well mac mini isnt powerful, u can get a more powerful laptop for the same price or even less

From the way this post sounds when one says it, it sounds like you're trying to find something just to pin Apple from an inherint disdain for them.

 

And no, you can't. I just hit up Newegg (I could have gone to more retailers, but their prices are around the same) and for the price of a base Mac Mini, you can get a laptop with an i5 4210Y, 4GB RAM and a 500GB HDD. That is actually near-identical to the specs of a base Mac Mini, which has an i5 4260U, 4GB of RAM and a 500GB HDD. The Mac Mini actually has a more powerful GPU, albeit it's CPU clock is 200MHz slower (at the base, same boost.} Not really enough to make a significant difference though.

 

And they aren't exactly comparable as options. You're comparing a laptop to a slim desktop. With the Mini, you have the option to use an IPS panel as opposed to the terrible TN panels that $500 laptops use, as you can also more easily upgrade components (it's pretty simple with a Mac Mini, I would know.) With a laptop, you can bring it anywhere and use it without being tethered to a power source. And it comes with a keyboard and mouse.

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oh ok, good ppint. but i was thinking more towards the i7 end where the mac mini competes with equivalent i7 laptops at that price range,

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The 5K display doesn't come with the Mini, it is the iMac.

thenwhatisa5kMacmini?

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thenwhatisa5kMacmini?

It doesn't exist. The mac mini doesn't have a monitor

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It doesn't exist. The mac mini doesn't have a monitor

Ah just relized he was saying "5k Imac" and "Mac mini" not "5k imac and mac mini"

n0ah1897, on 05 Mar 2014 - 2:08 PM, said:  "Computers are like girls. It's whats in the inside that matters.  I don't know about you, but I like my girls like I like my cases. Just as beautiful on the inside as the outside."

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I think that the hardware inside them is not sufficient.

I think that the GPU in the iMac is not sufficient cos it is a laptop graphics chip. Maxwell desktop chips would be perfect cos they have a low tdp or they should at least include SLI 980Ms do drive a 5k display

 

That's a fine opinion.  But when you actually look at the whole 5K iMac package, it's a splendid deal. 

 

Looking superficially, for $2500 there's a beautiful enclosure, solid wireless peripherals, and a 5K display.     Most consumers are still trying to buy 4K displays for several hundred dollars.   The display in the iMac is phenomenal.  Go look at one with an open mind and you'll agree. 

 

And the rest of the hardware inside is actually very respectable and still reasonably priced.  Apple uses PCIe solid state drives.  Much faster than SATA3 and more expensive, too.   8GB memory?   Look in the Builds section and you'll see every one posting PC Part Pickers with 8GB because of the price and it's "more than enough."  Graphics?  Let's face it, an R9 290X 2GB isn't exactly a piece of crap either.   Sure, it's not as expensive as the top-tier Nvidia GPUs, but that's not exactly the point of an iMac. 

 

I think TheSLSAMG hit the nail on the head.  There's a bit of targeted angst for Apple based on your wording.  Having opinions about a company is fine, but I think it's clouding your judgment of pure hardware. 

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For people who edit high-res video, an iMac wouldn't be super awful. That display is quite nice and PCI SSD's are super freaking fast. Can't honestly fault the new iMac. Some will say BUT DEE HARDWARES AREN'T MONEY GOOD. BS. Macs nowadays keep up with hardware-to-dollar ratio that other prebuilts follow and are much better made than a fair majority of them.

 

That said, the Mac Mini has always been kinda "meh" to me. Now that they have locked RAM, it's kinda just a really sad box now...

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My parents said I wasn't good enough either and I turned out alright. jk.

Depends on your use, I would love a mac mini for light programming and web streaming. Also it's the cheapest way to get Mac OS which you'll need if you're trying to program iOS apps for example or just want to get a feel for Yosemite.

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My parents said I wasn't good enough either and I turned out alright. jk.

Depends on your use, I would love a mac mini for light programming and web streaming. Also it's the cheapest way to get Mac OS which you'll need if you're trying to program iOS apps for example or just want to get a feel for Yosemite.

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I have seen the 5k Mac in person, and compared it side by side to this

http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/monitors/LU28D590DS/ZA

And I can see very little difference in the screen quality

In terms of the Mac mini, I'm never going to buy one (hackintosh, duh) but they have dropped the price by 100$, and it still has the CPU architecture.

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build a cheap hackintosh

or buy a used mac mini from ebay  ;)

I actually like the case/form factor of the mini.

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Eh, the iMac will be fine, as others have said not as if you will game on it. Mac mini's are just pathetic in their own right.

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or buy a used mac mini from ebay  ;)

I actually like the case/form factor of the mini.

 

Or just don't bother and say you did but instead source worth while components to facilitate your desires with.

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