Posted June 5, 2018 1 minute ago, TechyBen said: Not quite. Github is on fire. It is losing money. MS have to do something to change that. Else they just lost 7 billion. Honest question. Do you expect MS to sit there and let it lose all that money? What do you expect Github to do now, that they could not do before, now MS have given them a ton of cash? So the answer depends on why it's currently losing money. Do you know? Because I don't. And therefore, I cannot make an informed judgement because I don't have crucial information. Microsoft already uses GitHub themselves. This alone means that, if they really wanted to, they could buy the company as a cost of business since they already use it to code their products. However, that's unlikely. More than likely, they will look at the corporate structure, introduce cost efficiencies, and fix management. They may well try to monetize parts of the platform to a greater degree as well, or simply draw in more Enterprise customers to monetize the existing business model. Point is, there are many ways for Microsoft to fix the financial issues of the company without negatively affecting the desirability of the platform. For Sale: Meraki Bundle iPhone Xr 128 GB Product Red - HP Spectre x360 13" (i5 - 8 GB RAM - 256 GB SSD) - HP ZBook 15v G5 15" (i7-8850H - 16 GB RAM - 512 GB SSD - NVIDIA Quadro P600) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 5, 2018 crap, completely forgot that Atom was a Github thing... i guess it's time to buy sublime... Man so sad, will miss really miss it. Specially now that it was setup to fit my needs. One day I will be able to play Monster Hunter Frontier in French/Italian/English on my PC, it's just a matter of time... 4 5 6 7 8 9 years later: It's finally coming!!! Phones: iPhone 4S/SE | LG V10 | Lumia 920 | Samsung S24 Ultra Laptops: Macbook Pro 15" (mid-2012) | Compaq Presario V6000 Other: Steam Deck <>EVs are bad, they kill the planet and remove freedoms too some/<> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, suicidalfranco said: crap, completely forgot that Atom was a Github thing... i guess it's time to buy sublime... Man so sad, will miss really miss it. Specially now that it was setup to fit my needs. LOL ok. Ah crap, Microsoft has a website.. welp.. time to make another internet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 5, 2018 Just now, GoodBytes said: LOL ok. Ah crap, Microsoft has a website.. welp.. time to make another internet! MS doesn't own the internet so... you know... not the same thing Nice try though One day I will be able to play Monster Hunter Frontier in French/Italian/English on my PC, it's just a matter of time... 4 5 6 7 8 9 years later: It's finally coming!!! Phones: iPhone 4S/SE | LG V10 | Lumia 920 | Samsung S24 Ultra Laptops: Macbook Pro 15" (mid-2012) | Compaq Presario V6000 Other: Steam Deck <>EVs are bad, they kill the planet and remove freedoms too some/<> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 5, 2018 42 minutes ago, suicidalfranco said: MS doesn't own the internet so... you know... not the same thing Nice try though MS doesn't own Git. They only own GitHub And this does not affect you in any shape or form unless you DIRECTLY use GitHub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 5, 2018 Just now, GoodBytes said: MS doesn't own Git. They only own GitHub Atom was developed by Github... One day I will be able to play Monster Hunter Frontier in French/Italian/English on my PC, it's just a matter of time... 4 5 6 7 8 9 years later: It's finally coming!!! Phones: iPhone 4S/SE | LG V10 | Lumia 920 | Samsung S24 Ultra Laptops: Macbook Pro 15" (mid-2012) | Compaq Presario V6000 Other: Steam Deck <>EVs are bad, they kill the planet and remove freedoms too some/<> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 5, 2018 Just now, suicidalfranco said: Atom was developed by Github... Again, how does that affect you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, GoodBytes said: Again, how does that affect you? owned by MS don't want my time or money to go to them move to greener pastures One day I will be able to play Monster Hunter Frontier in French/Italian/English on my PC, it's just a matter of time... 4 5 6 7 8 9 years later: It's finally coming!!! Phones: iPhone 4S/SE | LG V10 | Lumia 920 | Samsung S24 Ultra Laptops: Macbook Pro 15" (mid-2012) | Compaq Presario V6000 Other: Steam Deck <>EVs are bad, they kill the planet and remove freedoms too some/<> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 5, 2018 30 minutes ago, suicidalfranco said: Atom was developed by Github... So all of a sudden all versions of Atom are evil? I have a blog! And a list of guides I've posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 5, 2018 8 hours ago, LAwLz said: Paranoia is defined as irrational fear. There is nothing paranoid to suspect the worst from Microsoft in this situation, considering their history. And the idea that "everything" MS does is the "worst" is irrational. Somethings they do are good and somethings are just benign. If you feel the need to uproot your entire work system and move to another platform simply because it became owned by MS and you don't like some of their past behavior then you are being irrational, you have no more proof that gitlabs isn't some data hungry malware factory that hasn't been caught out yet than you do MS is going to do something so nasty to make github unusable. Quote You wouldn't leave your baby with a convicted child molester, right? It's the same here. The trust that people might have had for Microsoft is long gone, Clearly the trust you have is long gone, and all you have is trust. But many of us go case by case, because trust is has little to so with it. MS is not a child molester, they are a company looking after their profits, and when you understand intention you understand threat. The problem here is people don't understand the intention but still assume they understand the threat. Any company can do anything with the purchases they make, there is nothing special about MS that means their acquisitions are automatically with evil intent. And don;t tell me you understand the intention because they did some dodgy things, every acquisition is done with different intentions and we don;t know the actual intent behind this one. Quote and they only have themselves to blame for that. You don't abuse a community for decades and then expect them to blindly trust you. And no, it is not at all low. Again, I recommend you do a bit of reading if you honestly think that Microsoft has only done a few bad things towards the FOSS community. Maybe I wasn't clear enough. Extermination in this case does not refer to Github itself. It refers to the open and standardized Git protocol. Microsoft already has a non-standard extension to the Git protocol. If they make that the standard for interacting with GitHub, they are in a position where they have a fair chance of killing standard Git in favor of their own implementation (which they control). Quote So to clarify. I do not think they will kill Github. I don't even necessarily think they will kill Git. This is what they would do if they had that intention though, and I think a lot of people feel the same way. So this paragraph makes the one above it pointless then. You think they are trying to kill git but they aren't going to? That's just Dancing around with words, either you are claiming they are trying to control OSS or they aren't. I demonstrated how they can't change git because that is under GPL. No one is forced to use any of MS extensions. No one is forced to use github. There is literally very little MS can do to impact OSS, FOSS, FLOSS or git to the detriment of developers. you even said yourself: Quote You don't really lose anything from migrating to another service like GitLab, so it's better to be safe than sorry. So you agree there is actually very little MS can do to harm git or OSS. Which makes claims that they are intent on destroying something they cannot control pretty irrational. Quote Well, you keep calling people paranoid so I'd say that's ignoring all the shady things they have done. Paranoia is irrational fear. Fears of things based on historical evidence is not irrational. Not been reading my posts have you? I have said quite clearly several times that they have done shady things. One of those posts was in direct response to you, but I see you ignored it so Here it is again: Quote nothing wrong with being skeptical about it, but some people have outright jumped into the paranoia bin on little more information than MS (like all fucking companies) have not been entirely kosher. And to be honest MS have made well over 200 acquisitions with only a handful falling foul on the ethical side if intentions. So if your bar for deciding it's bad is so low then I can only assume you panic with every acquisition by any company. Pointing out when someone has an irrational fear is not the same as ignoring things. How you even came to that conclusion baffles me. Quote Edit: I find it interesting that so many pro-Microsoft users are attacking people who are moving their repos, calling them paranoid among other things. Yet they immediately jump to "you can just migrate to somewhere else" as an argument for why people should remain calm and stay on Github. Sorry but you can't have it both ways. You can't attack people moving while at the same time saying moving is perfectly fine. Makes me wonder why some members are so adamant to make people stay on Github and their motives for posting about it... I like the way you call people "pro-microsoft", like somehow you have decided that because they have a different concept of judgment and analyzing situations that they must just be fanboys or irrational proponents. you know people don;t have to condemn a company because 18 years ago they got caught using EEE and have traditional been opposed to a product that was actually competition at the time. Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge. Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 5, 2018 2 hours ago, M.Yurizaki said: I see where they're coming from, but at the same time, how long are people going to hold grudges? Especially when said things probably happened before they even understood that downloading RAM wasn't really a thing. Considering all the awful things Microsoft has done, it will take a very long time for them to regain any kind of trust outside of fanboys or ignorant people. And no, they have done a ton of shady things fairly recently too. It's not just old stuff. @Syntaxvgm did a pretty good job bringing up a small fraction of all the things Microsoft had done, some of which is as recent as this year: On 6/3/2018 at 8:01 AM, Syntaxvgm said: lol ok http://www.catb.org/esr/halloween/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samizdat%3a_And_Other_Issues_Regarding_the_'Source'_of_Open_Source_Code http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100033867/https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-profits-from-linux-patent-fud/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2007/05/microsoft-235-patent-specific-patent-infringements-in-linux/ http://techrights.org/2010/10/14/msft-scorpion-and-the-tortoise/ http://techrights.org/2016/03/10/charm-offensives-distract/ ^That 2016 one's great, covers MS literally taking existing things from Linux distros and patenting them in a fraudulent and abusive manner. Oh, I remember reading this one janurary of this year. http://techrights.org/2018/01/16/microsoft-uses-patent-trolls/ So yea I can probably just keep going and going really, but I tried to give a spread over the years. I would love to make a nice list of micrsoft patent trolling history, not just MS but all proxies as well. It's shit like this https://patents.google.com/patent/US5758352?oq=5%2c758%2c352 that's not even that bad in terms of what they get away with, I just like this one becuase literally Linus Torvalds himself helped invalidate it legally because, like normal, they took existing shit and patented it to attempt to troll competitors (in this case, Motorola) and foss solutions out of existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, LAwLz said: Considering all the awful things Microsoft has done, it will take a very long time for them to regain any kind of trust outside of fanboys or ignorant people. Way to insuklt people. If you disagree with me you must be either ignorant or a fanboy. I guess i nailed it in my last post. 2 minutes ago, LAwLz said: And no, they have done a ton of shady things fairly recently too. It's not just old stuff. @Syntaxvgm did a pretty good job bringing up a small fraction of all the things Microsoft had done, some of which is as recent as this year: Yep, 8 links, 3 to articles about the same thing, one a blog with no substantiating evidence and 1 reference to a book. The references to them using patent FUD over linux does not explain which patents or why. they are just blind accusations. unless someone can show me why Samsung, Amazon et al are paying license fees to MS over patents that they shouldn't have to, then it is safe to assume we don't have enough information to claim they are not legitimate. Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge. Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 5, 2018 1 hour ago, M.Yurizaki said: So all of a sudden all versions of Atom are evil? exactly One day I will be able to play Monster Hunter Frontier in French/Italian/English on my PC, it's just a matter of time... 4 5 6 7 8 9 years later: It's finally coming!!! Phones: iPhone 4S/SE | LG V10 | Lumia 920 | Samsung S24 Ultra Laptops: Macbook Pro 15" (mid-2012) | Compaq Presario V6000 Other: Steam Deck <>EVs are bad, they kill the planet and remove freedoms too some/<> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, suicidalfranco said: exactly Out of curiosity, do you play games? And if so, which ones? I have a blog! And a list of guides I've posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said: Out of curiosity, do you play games? And if so, which ones? warframe path of exile dirty bomb inb4 all windows only: wine, wine and wine. Wanna know also about non gaming related apps too? One day I will be able to play Monster Hunter Frontier in French/Italian/English on my PC, it's just a matter of time... 4 5 6 7 8 9 years later: It's finally coming!!! Phones: iPhone 4S/SE | LG V10 | Lumia 920 | Samsung S24 Ultra Laptops: Macbook Pro 15" (mid-2012) | Compaq Presario V6000 Other: Steam Deck <>EVs are bad, they kill the planet and remove freedoms too some/<> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 5, 2018 Just now, suicidalfranco said: warframe path of exile dirty bomb inb4 all windows only: wine, wine and wine. Wanna know also about non gaming related apps too? Well I ask because Microsoft has bought out at least two companies whom had products developers use a lot of: Havok and Simplygon. So I just wanted to know if your feelings would change. I have a blog! And a list of guides I've posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 5, 2018 Aha, exactly what I thought. Google wanted to buy GitHub. https://mspoweruser.com/google-too-wanted-to-buy-github-before-microsoft-snatched-it-up/ Considering that MS has a massive amount of personal projects inside, this explains everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 5, 2018 3 hours ago, suicidalfranco said: crap, completely forgot that Atom was a Github thing... i guess it's time to buy sublime... Man so sad, will miss really miss it. Specially now that it was setup to fit my needs. Microsoft makes a C++ compiler and is part of the ANSI committee that withholds the C++ standard, whoops. Guess you can't use Sublime Text either. Oh well, what a shame. CPU: Intel i5-2400 | Motherboard: Asus P8Z68-V LX | Memory: 16GB 1333MHz Crucial Ballistix | GPU: GIGABYTE WINDFORCE GeForce GTX 760 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 (1085 MHz/1150 MHz) | Storage: SAMSUNG 830 Series 2.5-Inch 128GB SSD + Western Digital 3.5-Inch 2TB HDD | PSU: Diablotek PHD650 650WNeumont University | Bachelors of Science in Computer Science | In Progress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, LAwLz said: Your examples are completely ridiculous by the way. that's just like you're opinion man. i've said all i really watned to and it's clear that neither of us is going to change other person's mind about this, which is fine. i still dont fully understand the apprehensions some people have with Microsoft, but people can believe what they like i guess. I won't lose any sleep over it. I look forward to agreeing with you on your opinions in other threads though ◒ ◒ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, LAwLz said: By the same logic, me calling you ignorant is not an insult because you actually are. Being vary of Microsoft is not irrational by the way. Like you said yourself, they have a history of doing shady things. Doing a very simple risk avoidance technique seems perfectly reasonable. With all your pro-Microsoft posts, insults towards people migrating, and your attempts at calming people down seems to me like you're trying to convince people to stay. Why else would you make those types of posts? Accusing people of being "pro-microsoft" because they aren't making all kinds of assumptions and like minded opinions aren't insults? You're welcome to be wary but all the hate and ranting has taken this thread off topic while you've been ignoring all the contribution Microsoft has towards the open source community. If you have such so much hate for MS then stop using all of their software. Would you rather Facebook,Google, or Amazon have bought GitHub? Microsoft isn't all to blame anyway, blame the owners of GitHub for selling out on their users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 5, 2018 41 minutes ago, Sierra Fox said: Tesla and Elon Musk are not to be trusted because their cars catch fire and the autonomous mode kills people So many things wrong with this statement lmao it's baffling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 6, 2018 2 hours ago, mr moose said: The references to them using patent FUD over linux does not explain which patents or why. they are just blind accusations. unless someone can show me why Samsung, Amazon et al are paying license fees to MS over patents that they shouldn't have to, then it is safe to assume we don't have enough information to claim they are not legitimate. 2 hours ago, LAwLz said: Yep, 8 links, 3 to articles about the same thing, one a blog with no substantiating evidence and 1 reference to a book. Considering all the awful things Microsoft has done, it will take a very long time for them to regain any kind of trust outside of fanboys or ignorant people. And no, they have done a ton of shady things fairly recently too. It's not just old stuff. @Syntaxvgm did a pretty good job bringing up a small fraction of all the things Microsoft had done, some of which is as recent as this year: iirc the duplicates were about them continuing to do this. And no, it's not really a good sample. I should at one point compile everything I can find on it, with patent numbers to get a more fair picture. It does layout why foss supporters hate them though. And one of the links wasn't a book, it was literally a patent that MS used to have. muh specs Gaming and HTPC (reparations)- ASUS 1080, MSI X99A SLI Plus, 5820k- 4.5GHz @ 1.25v, asetek based 360mm AIO, RM 1000x, 16GB memory, 750D with front USB 2.0 replaced with 3.0 ports, 2 250GB 850 EVOs in Raid 0 (why not, only has games on it), some hard drives Screens- Acer preditor XB241H (1080p, 144Hz Gsync), LG 1080p ultrawide, (all mounted) directly wired to TV in other room Stuff- k70 with reds, steel series rival, g13, full desk covering mouse mat All parts black Workstation(desk)- 3770k, 970 reference, 16GB of some crucial memory, a motherboard of some kind I don't remember, Micomsoft SC-512N1-L/DVI, CM Storm Trooper (It's got a handle, can you handle that?), 240mm Asetek based AIO, Crucial M550 256GB (upgrade soon), some hard drives, disc drives, and hot swap bays Screens- 3 ASUS VN248H-P IPS 1080p screens mounted on a stand, some old tv on the wall above it. Stuff- Epicgear defiant (solderless swappable switches), g600, moutned mic and other stuff. Laptop docking area- 2 1440p korean monitors mounted, one AHVA matte, one samsung PLS gloss (very annoying, yes). Trashy Razer blackwidow chroma...I mean like the J key doesn't click anymore. I got a model M i use on it to, but its time for a new keyboard. Some edgy Utechsmart mouse similar to g600. Hooked to laptop dock for both of my dell precision laptops. (not only docking area) Shelf- i7-2600 non-k (has vt-d), 380t, some ASUS sandy itx board, intel quad nic. Currently hosts shared files, setting up as pfsense box in VM. Also acts as spare gaming PC with a 580 or whatever someone brings. Hooked into laptop dock area via usb switch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 6, 2018 23 minutes ago, Sierra Fox said: that's just like you're opinion man. I thoroughly explained why the situations you gave as examples are very different from this. Again, you try to compare a single occurrence vs years of systematic abuse. Surely you must understand how your examples are completely different from what is happening here. 23 minutes ago, Sierra Fox said: i still dont fully understand the apprehensions some people have with Microsoft If you are genuinely curious, I highly recommend looking at some of the links I quoted earlier. The Halloween documents and examples of EEE are good starting points, but also the history of the "browser wars". Here is a documentary about it. Those are good starting points but they just scratch the surface of all the bad things Microsoft has done. They have so many skeletons in their closet that the door has collapsed and a sea of bones is spewing out. 23 minutes ago, Sierra Fox said: I look forward to agreeing with you on your opinions in other threads though Likewise! 22 minutes ago, mr moose said: I really wish there was someway to articulate what you are doing here. Your argument has gone from "MS are evil" to "you are ignorant because you disagree". I am am no longer going to respond to posts that aren't on topic. Well if I can commend you for something it has to be consistency. Your sole argument all through the thread (after people started migrating) has always been "you're paranoid!" Hey everybody, look at all the paranoid people! History is boring so let's all ignore it when speculating about future events!". 12 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said: Accusing people of being "pro-microsoft" because they aren't making all kinds of assumptions and like minded opinions aren't insults? You're welcome to be wary but all the hate and ranting has taken this thread off topic while you've been ignoring all the contribution Microsoft has towards the open source community. Would you rather Facebook,Google, or Amazon have bought GitHub? Microsoft isn't all to blame anyway, blame the owners of GitHub for selling out on their users. I am not calling people "pro-Microsoft" because they aren't making assumptions. I am calling some people "pro-Microsoft" because they are insulting others who are leaving the platform, and also some people who are ignoring historical evidence when speculating about future events. I have not ignored the contributions Microsoft has made to the open source community. I actually asked for examples from someone but that user left the thread before giving me a proper answer (I asked for examples using his own words, and he replied with a link to PR material from Microsoft, mostly consisting of example code). I think one of the problems with the examples people give are that the examples are entirely self-serving. Microsoft running some Ubuntu compatibility layer in Windows does not benefit anyone but Microsoft and their users. It's something they did to make Windows more appealing, hoping to take some marketshare away from GNU/Linux. It's completely understandable why they did it too. Microsoft is a for-profit company after all, and making money comes first. All I am saying is that "they put Ubuntu in Windows" is a very bad example for "proving that Microsoft cares about FOSS". Making Win32 open source would be a great example, if it happened. It wouldn't really benefit Microsoft, but it would benefit FOSS. It would be a selfless act, unlike the other example I just mentioned. That's the kind of examples I want. Selfless acts that does not benefit them (maybe even harms their bottom line), but they do it anyway because they want to help make the world a better place. That's what I believe FOSS is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 6, 2018 8 minutes ago, SC2Mitch said: So many things wrong with this statement lmao it's baffling. https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-autopilot-self-driving-crash-california/ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-crash-ntsb/u-s-opens-probe-into-fatal-tesla-crash-fire-in-california-idUSKBN1H32OThttps://electrek.co/2018/03/27/tesla-model-x-fatal-crash-ntsb-investigation-autopilot-fire/ https://www.freightwaves.com/news/2018/1/26/tesla-engineers-warn-model-3-batteries-could-catch-fire https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/tesla-was-autopilot-mode-utah-crash-driver-tells-police-n874136 https://jalopnik.com/two-years-on-a-father-is-still-fighting-tesla-over-aut-1823189786 I mean, Tesla shouldn't be calling "autopilot" mode "autopilot" if it still requires a great deal of human attention. But Tesla insists on calling it an "autopilot" mode. I have a blog! And a list of guides I've posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted June 6, 2018 next version of github just got leaked. /s If it is not broken, let's fix till it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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