Github about to be Miscrosofted?

[ignaloidas]

3 hours ago, Lent said:

GVFS

Oh fuck, now I see their plan. This is totally an Embrace, Extend, Exterminate situation. Let me guess - there is no GVFS version for Linux, is there?

[LAwLz]

2 hours ago, ignaloidas said:

Oh fuck, now I see their plan. This is totally an Embrace, Extend, Exterminate situation. Let me guess - there is no GVFS version for Linux, is there?

There is no version for MacOS or GNU/Linux.

 

Also worth noting, GVFS contains modifications to the Git protocol.

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In addition to the GVFS sources, we’ve also made some changes to Git to allow it to work well on a GVFS-backed repo, and those sources are available at https://github.com/Microsoft/git. And lastly, GVFS relies on a protocol extension that any service can implement; the protocol is available at https://github.com/Microsoft/gvfs/blob/master/Protocol.md.

Just as a reminder to everyone.

Embrace, extend, and exterminate is a tactic Microsoft uses where they adopt open technologies, then make non-standard extensions to it within their own products, wait for their product to become the de-facto standard, and lastly cut off support for the original standard so that only their version is usable.

[WkdPaul]

* Threads merged *

[cluelessgenius]

history sadly has taught us if microsoft takes over something it goes to crap. skype for example is dead now and not because of discord but because from the mooment microsoft bought it all of a sudden it became buggy as hell, they started playing adds and it just didnt work anymore like it used to. 

if they buy ithub i predcit theyll somehow try to fuse it with onedrive because that doesnt get used by people at all so they gonna take that and hope now people would be interested.

[mr moose]

4 hours ago, Sierra Fox said:

does anyone ever see "Microsoft" and confuse it with another company?

 

 

I confused it with microprose once back in the 80's.

 

[mr moose]

7 minutes ago, cluelessgenius said:

history sadly has taught us if microsoft takes over something it goes to crap. skype for example is dead now and not because of discord but because from the mooment microsoft bought it all of a sudden it became buggy as hell, they started playing adds and it just didnt work anymore like it used to. 

which is why skype is still in the top 10 of most lists (usually only behind Facebook, whatsapp and viber) and the most used video chat app while discord doesn't even rank a mention?

7 minutes ago, cluelessgenius said:

if they buy ithub i predcit theyll somehow try to fuse it with onedrive because that doesnt get used by people at all so they gonna take that and hope now people would be interested.

Or maybe it'll just keep going the same, like minecraft,  hotmail and linkedin, where the end users noticed little to no change.

[1re]

F if true, prepping my move to gitlabs

[cluelessgenius]

58 minutes ago, mr moose said:

which is why skype is still in the top 10 of most lists (usually only behind Facebook, whatsapp and viber) and the most used video chat app while discord doesn't even rank a mention?

Or maybe it'll just keep going the same, like minecraft,  hotmail and linkedin, where the end users noticed little to no change.

alright a couple of things:

yes skype is tstill pretty big but i mostly only see it in business use and only because mostly there is no other options. also everyone constantly complaining how its buggy. when is the last time you used or recommended someone use skype?

secondly, hotmail? really ? you got a hotmail account? at least around here its not a thing anymore.

also business networks like xing and linkedin are kinda rediculous to me. yes i have used them but you dont get good contacts off that really its mostly just headhunters trying to wheel in their next freelancer for some shit paying project. and minecraft well fine alright maybe they didnt fuck up minecraft but whens the last time you played halo on the pc?

[mr moose]

12 minutes ago, cluelessgenius said:

alright a couple of things:

yes skype is tstill pretty big but i mostly only see it in business use and only because mostly there is no other options. also everyone constantly complaining how its buggy. when is the last time you used or recommended someone use skype?

I use it all the time,along with quite a few people I know.  it's still very popular and not as buggy as people make out.

12 minutes ago, cluelessgenius said:

secondly, hotmail? really ? you got a hotmail account? at least around here its not a thing anymore.

Again, I know quite a few with hotmail accounts.  It's just another email service like any other.

12 minutes ago, cluelessgenius said:

also business networks like xing and linkedin are kinda rediculous to me. yes i have used them but you dont get good contacts off that really its mostly just headhunters trying to wheel in their next freelancer for some shit paying project.

It was always like that for many, that wasn't the result of MS screwing it up.

12 minutes ago, cluelessgenius said:

 

and minecraft well fine alright maybe they didnt fuck up minecraft but whens the last time you played halo on the pc?

Never played HALO. 

[leadeater]

2 hours ago, LAwLz said:

Embrace, extend, and exterminate is a tactic Microsoft uses where they adopt open technologies, then make non-standard extensions to it within their own products, wait for their product to become the de-facto standard, and lastly cut off support for the original standard so that only their version is usable.

SMB

Active Directory/LDAP/Kerberos

exFAT

ODF/docx

HTML and CSS (though that only applies till mid 2000's, everyone has told MS to get lost on that crap now)

C++/C#

 

Microsoft has managed to take over some rather large open protocols and standards, I'm sure others can list more big ones.

[Sauron]

7 hours ago, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

Probably all flock to GitLab. 

I know I will, it only takes a couple of commands per repo anyway... the real problems come when you're migrating a whole team, but eventually even the big guns like the KDE project will probably end up moving.

[jj9987]

2 hours ago, leadeater said:

SMB

Active Directory/LDAP/Kerberos

exFAT

ODF/docx

HTML and CSS (though that only applies till mid 2000's, everyone has told MS to get lost on that crap now)

C++/C#

 

Microsoft has managed to take over some rather large open protocols and standards, I'm sure others can list more big ones.

In addition to those, Microsoft has given us TypeScript, PowerShell and Linux Subsystem in Windows, all of these were happily accepted and are widely used.

 

Microsoft has been actively using GitHub for their FOSS software for long time now. I feel this is way overhyped and people are more concerned than necessary.

[Ashleyyyy]

On 6/2/2018 at 8:50 PM, schwellmo92 said:

Why is everyone hating on Microsoft? They’ve very much pro OSS these days, check out their Microsoft and Xamarin pages on Github, there’s 2000 repositories there.

because Microsoft is quite hated by the Linux community for a number of reasons. they say they love Linux, but i don't think tat's true.. for example they don't make MS Office for Linux, we have to use a virtual machine to use it.. even though it would only mean more users. 

[mr moose]

1 minute ago, firelighter487 said:

because Microsoft is quite hated by the Linux community for a number of reasons. they say they love Linux, but i don't think tat's true.. for example they don't make MS Office for Linux, we have to use a virtual machine to use it.. even though it would only mean more users. 

there is a lot more to it than just porting office to Linux.  There are license systems and networks, distribution, quality control and support.  MS would have to carry out some sort of feasibility study first to weigh up the number of likely sales versus the cost of porting.  This is why I believe it took so long for them to port to ipad when ipads where becoming quite the popular tool both in education and business.

[Ashleyyyy]

8 minutes ago, mr moose said:

there is a lot more to it than just porting office to Linux.  There are license systems and networks, distribution, quality control and support.  MS would have to carry out some sort of feasibility study first to weigh up the number of likely sales versus the cost of porting.  This is why I believe it took so long for them to port to ipad when ipads where becoming quite the popular tool both in education and business.

sure, but they could do what Netflix does. they support Linux, but don't offer technical support for it. and i know that sounds weird for MS to do, but to me it would make sense.. 

[Ashleyyyy]

On 6/2/2018 at 10:05 PM, M.Yurizaki said:

But alas, it's not going to be the "Linux experience," whatever that means.

being free to do whatever you want. run whatever apps you want, whatever desktop you want.. just being free. 

[Ashleyyyy]

On 6/3/2018 at 12:46 PM, mr moose said:

Chrome OS too yes?

i believe Chrome OS is a modified version of Gentoo Linux, but i'm not sure. don't quote me on that. 

[GoodBytes]

11 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

sure, but they could do what Netflix does. they support Linux, but don't offer technical support for it. and i know that sounds weird for MS to do, but to me it would make sense.. 

Netflix does NOT support Linux at all.

All you can do is watch at 720p via web browser, or pull up your Android phone and use the Netflix app.

 

And website does not support Linux only web browsers. It only support Chrome and Firefox for that 720p movie watching experience.

If you setup a media center like things like with Kodi, you have no Netflix support either.

 

You have to use, for full experience, including 4K support:

• Windows 10 with Edge
• Netflix App on your Android, iOS, or Windows 10 (also support download of videos for offline watching)
• A device with a Netflix app (select game console, TV's, Roku, etc)

[LAwLz]

13 hours ago, mr moose said:

What remains to be seen here is if MS actually consider FOSS to be competition or whether it is now a revenue stream.   unless I have missed something rather important to this situation, I can't see why microsoft would think they can control FOSS.  It's a very large and flexible community. Take down/change githuhb and they just move to another service.

They have tried to control FOSS several times in the past. You should not, under any circumstance, give them the benefit of a doubt.

 

One theory right now is that they might try and use EEE. They already have their own "git virtual file system" which uses Microsoft's own extensions to the git protocol. It would be a pretty simple plan.

1) Buy github.

2) Push GVFS through github until it becomes an integral part of the workflow for people.

3) Remove support for regular git.

4) A bunch of companies are now stuck with using Microsoft software.

 

This would not be uncharacteristic of Microsoft, and they already have some of the things necessary in place.

Source (emphasis is mine):

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It’s been 3 months since I first wrote about our efforts to scale Git to extremely large projects and teams with an effort we called “Git Virtual File System”.  As a reminder, GVFS, together with a set of enhancements to Git, enables Git to scale to VERY large repos by virtualizing both the .git folder and the working directory.  Rather than download the entire repo and checkout all the files, it dynamically downloads only the portions you need based on what you use.

 

 

9 hours ago, Sniperfox47 said:

And watch huge swaths of the FLOSS community jump ship to some other repo.

 

Unrelated. I remember when it was just OSS. And then FOSS. And now FLOSS. I expect in 10 years we'll have LOLFLOSSBBQ

The name has not changed.

OSS = Open source software. Any program where the source code can be looked at. That's it. 

FOSS = Free and Open Source Software. In order to be FOSS, the program has to be open source, but it ALSO needs to be what's called "free". Free in this case refers to:

0) Run the program however you want.

1) Freedom to study and make changes to the program.

2) Redistribute the program.

3) Make changes and redistribute those changes.

 

FLOSS = Just another term for FOSS which has been around since 2001 now. It's neither new nor that commonly used.

[schwellmo92]

27 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

because Microsoft is quite hated by the Linux community for a number of reasons. they say they love Linux, but i don't think tat's true.. for example they don't make MS Office for Linux, we have to use a virtual machine to use it.. even though it would only mean more users. 

Microsoft arguably are the highest contributors to open source software (ref: https://www.infoworld.com/article/3253948/open-source-tools/who-really-contributes-to-open-source.html). And as for Office not being on Linux, it didn't really make sense for them to develop a product for <1% of the population did it? Regardless, I expect Office to be available on Linux in future versions with .NET Core taking off.

[Ashleyyyy]

5 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

Netflix does NOT support Linux at all.

All you can do is watch at 720p via web browser, or pull up your Android phone and use the Netflix app.

 

And website does not support Linux only web browsers. It only support Chrome and Firefox for that 720p movie watching experience.

If you setup a media center like things like with Kodi, you have no Netflix support either.

 

You have to use, for full experience, including 4K support:

• Windows 10 with Edge
• Netflix App on your Android, iOS, or Windows 10 (also support download of videos for offline watching)
• A device with a Netflix app (select game console, TV's, Roku, etc)

i meant that playback works, and you can watch netflix on a Linux device. 

[schwellmo92]

1 minute ago, firelighter487 said:

i meant that playback works, and you can watch netflix on a Linux device. 

That shows how little you know about what you're talking about when you're comparing Netflix running in a browser on Linux to Office not running on Linux.

[leadeater]

2 minutes ago, schwellmo92 said:

Microsoft arguably are the highest contributors to open source software (ref: https://www.infoworld.com/article/3253948/open-source-tools/who-really-contributes-to-open-source.html). And as for Office not being on Linux, it didn't really make sense for them to develop a product for <1% of the population did it? Regardless, I expect Office to be available on Linux in future versions with .NET Core taking off.

What really prevented Microsoft from wanting to develop a Linux Office version was that in the past all the different Office platforms where actually different code bases so it was very hard and time consuming to bring new features to all platforms and address all the bugs, one bug fix might not apply to another platform or even exist on others. This is why the mobile versions of Office, in particular Skype for Business was so far behind feature wise.

 

Microsoft is now merging all Office platforms in to a single code base, that's basically directly from the Microsoft Office dev team. Think they may have already done it not sure, we heard about that 2 years ago or so.

[LAwLz]

45 minutes ago, jj9987 said:

In addition to those, Microsoft has given us TypeScript, PowerShell and Linux Subsystem in Windows, all of these were happily accepted and are widely used.

 

Microsoft has been actively using GitHub for their FOSS software for long time now. I feel this is way overhyped and people are more concerned than necessary.

Microsoft has a history spanning 20 or so years where they have literally been found guilty in court for spreading FUD, lying and using anti-competitive methods to kill of anything they see as a threat, on top of all the times they have successfully done it without a court punishing them (look up successful EEE mentioned above, the history of the OOXML, and many more).

 

Sorry, but a handful of seemingly nice acts in the last couple of years (which actually just benefits Microsoft themselves, not their competitors) does not make up for the decades of abuse. 

 

 

Again, if you or anyone else gives Microsoft even the slight benefit of the doubt, then you either haven't looked at the companies history or you're extremely naive. The company is literally a known criminal which has been found guilty for a lot of crimes in their attempts to harm competitors and users.

[Drak3]

On 6/2/2018 at 12:50 PM, schwellmo92 said:

Why is everyone hating on Microsoft? They’ve very much pro OSS these days, check out their Microsoft and Xamarin pages on Github, there’s 2000 repositories there.

Because outside observers declair Microsoft as Devil incarnate based on the outsider looking in version of history they're familiar with.