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[Gorgon]

I know this isn’t folding per se but as we don’t have a BOINC community thread ...

 

Picked up another Ryzen 2700 on sale for $260 Cdn from a local bricks and mortar store and replaced a Ryzen 3 1200 in one of my rigs to get an additional 12 threads crunching. With the Noctua D15 and stock settings it’s turboing up to 3.4GHz on all cores and drawing about 30W more off the UPS

 

Now if Intel would just respond and lower their 7700 or 8700 prices to something reasonable I would get the other two rigs upgraded from the Pentium Golds. With their current pricing its almost worthwhile to wait for good prices on x470 SLI capable motherboards and get AMD CPUs.

[Gorgon]

On 7/29/2019 at 10:27 AM, RollinLower said:

now i'm gonna go break the rules a little bit and ask about BOINC in the folding thread, bear with me.

 

there is someone i know that's selling two E5 2650L V2 chips for cheap. those are 10 cores at 1.7Ghz. so lots of slow cores.

right now i am running two 6 cores at 3Ghz. 

would it be a upgrade for BOINC if i went with the 10 cores? or would i be better off going for something faster?

Go to your favourite CPU performance database and compare the performance in TFLOPS. That should, in general, answer it.  The other considerations are a higher TDP causing your power bill to go up and, different memory and cooler requirements.

 

Simple math says 40*1.7=68 and 24*3=72 so assuming they’re both Ivy Bridge with similar IPCs, AVX instruction sets probably not worth it.

 

Im rather fond of “Big Iron” but Ryzen Gen 3 I suspect will really disrupt the HEDT market. With the 3900X out the prices here on the 2920WX have been slashed. It’s causing me to rethink my new workstation build. I’ll have to wait for the 16 core model to come and after looking at the specs figure out if the better IOMMU groups, ECC Memory with Encryption and extra PCIe lanes are worth the extra expense for threadripper.

 

I built a new KVM machine recently using a 2700 and 32GB DDR4-3200 CL16 in a B450 board and the cost was quite reasonable and I just use the excess threads for BOINC.

[Excalibur20]

10 hours ago, Gorgon said:

Google that error message appending site:foldingform.org and you should find a thread dealing with that.

nope, nothing.

[Gorgon]

On 7/30/2019 at 11:11 PM, Excalibur20 said:

Well, I'm new to folding@home and I was looking through the logs in the advanced control menu and an error kept coming up: 02:37:19:ERROR:Receive error: 10053: An established connection was aborted by the software in your host machine. I'm not sure what connection was stopped and what software would be stopping it so if anyone has an idea please let me know, just for curiosity sake. Thanks

 

9 hours ago, Excalibur20 said:

nope, nothing.

https://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=31111

Are you running the protein folding viewer?

[justpoet]

22 hours ago, Gorgon said:

Im rather fond of “Big Iron” but Ryzen Gen 3 I suspect will really disrupt the HEDT market. With the 3900X out the prices here on the 2920WX have been slashed. It’s causing me to rethink my new workstation build. I’ll have to wait for the 16 core model to come and after looking at the specs figure out if the better IOMMU groups, ECC Memory with Encryption and extra PCIe lanes are worth the extra expense for threadripper.

So, AMD has said a few times that Ryzen supports ECC.  I've seen a couple boards say they will.  What I found most interesting was the bit that came even with my low end AsRock B450 board I just got that says with the PRO line of AMD Ryzen chips, it will support ECC.  I'd be curious if anybody has seen any of these pro chips around anywhere, even for gen2 ryzen.  I ended up grabbing a 2400g for my low cost server build, but ECC would definitely peak my interest come the 3950 and an upcoming build, even though I'd be using it mainly as a general purpose and gaming rig for now, knowing it would eventually turn into a server when it got replaced.

[sazrocks]

9 minutes ago, justpoet said:

So, AMD has said a few times that Ryzen supports ECC.  I've seen a couple boards say they will.  What I found most interesting was the bit that came even with my low end AsRock B450 board I just got that says with the PRO line of AMD Ryzen chips, it will support ECC.  I'd be curious if anybody has seen any of these pro chips around anywhere, even for gen2 ryzen.  I ended up grabbing a 2400g for my low cost server build, but ECC would definitely peak my interest come the 3950 and an upcoming build, even though I'd be using it mainly as a general purpose and gaming rig for now, knowing it would eventually turn into a server when it got replaced.

I’m pretty sure that means that ECC is only validated with the pro CPUs; it should still work just fine with regular ryzen chips.

[Gorgon]

16 hours ago, justpoet said:

So, AMD has said a few times that Ryzen supports ECC.  I've seen a couple boards say they will.  What I found most interesting was the bit that came even with my low end AsRock B450 board I just got that says with the PRO line of AMD Ryzen chips, it will support ECC.  I'd be curious if anybody has seen any of these pro chips around anywhere, even for gen2 ryzen.  I ended up grabbing a 2400g for my low cost server build, but ECC would definitely peak my interest come the 3950 and an upcoming build, even though I'd be using it mainly as a general purpose and gaming rig for now, knowing it would eventually turn into a server when it got replaced.

In general ECC is just not worth it for most use cases as it is typically more expensive and often slower. I bought ECC for use in a FreeNAS build and when that hardware proved to be way overkill for my needs I used the Xeon for my workstation installing an i3 for the FreeNAS as the i3 those days (LGA1150/1) with its integrated memory controller natively supported ECC.

 

Though ECC May be supported on a motherboard does not mean that it actaully works in the motherboard. I’ve seen some articles that have documented some AMD boards where ECC will work as memory but the single bit error correction and dual bit error detection does not function possibly due to either the necessary traces not being there on the motherboard or BIOS issues. Level1techs has info on this and how to verify that the ECC is working in their forums.

 

In general the X470 boards tend to more be the ones that properly support ECC.

[justpoet]

1 hour ago, Gorgon said:

Though ECC May be supported on a motherboard does not mean that it actaully works in the motherboard. I’ve seen some articles that have documented some AMD boards where ECC will work as memory but the single bit error correction and dual bit error detection does not function possibly due to either the necessary traces not being there on the motherboard or BIOS issues. Level1techs has info on this and how to verify that the ECC is working in their forums.

 

In general the X470 boards tend to more be the ones that properly support ECC.

Thanks for the link!  I'll look into it more for when my next build happens.

 

[TVwazhere]

ITNOS's PPD chart is starting to look like a sound wave expanding out of a speaker

[Gorgon]

6 hours ago, TVwazhere said:

ITNOS's PPD chart is starting to look like a sound wave expanding out of a speaker

She’s gonna blow Jim. I dinna think the dylithium crystals can handle it.

[palespartan]

Hey everyone just updated the main post (nothing special just moved some stuff around to try to make it more current) definitely have a lot more work to do on it and going to post the pentathlon thread (so sorry I missed it) and hopefully details on folding month to come within this month. Also if anyone has one already let me know if you have a linux install guide. I'm thinking about doing one for Kali (only reason is because I have it running on a box anyways). But really looking for someone who has an Ubuntu guide since I have a feeling that will be the most universal.

 

Otherwise keep it folding and I'll try to be more active on here too to help where I can.

 

-Pale

[GOTSpectrum]

7 hours ago, palespartan said:

Hey everyone just updated the main post (nothing special just moved some stuff around to try to make it more current) definitely have a lot more work to do on it and going to post the pentathlon thread (so sorry I missed it) and hopefully details on folding month to come within this month. Also if anyone has one already let me know if you have a linux install guide. I'm thinking about doing one for Kali (only reason is because I have it running on a box anyways). But really looking for someone who has an Ubuntu guide since I have a feeling that will be the most universal.

 

Otherwise keep it folding and I'll try to be more active on here too to help where I can.

 

-Pale

Welcome back my man! 

[justpoet]

12 hours ago, palespartan said:

Also if anyone has one already let me know if you have a linux install guide. I'm thinking about doing one for Kali (only reason is because I have it running on a box anyways). But really looking for someone who has an Ubuntu guide since I have a feeling that will be the most universal.

I did an install on Ubuntu by grabbing the packages and installing.  It was straightforward.  However, I've found that with multiple attempts, I can't actually do so on my box in a usable way.  I'd love to see if there's something I'm missing once an actual guide goes up (and best practices for tuning it and setting up GPU support, which I didn't bother to do in the short CPU run I did to stress test it for a few hours).

 

I can install it, and run it fine.  But once it is installed and running, nothing else ever installs or updates correctly because it has a broken script, so I had to shut it down and remove it and reboot the box before any other installs worked again.  I tried a couple times with the same results.

 

I did it on a fresh and clean install of the latest 18 based Ubuntu LTS Desktop.  I have to say though, how quick and painless that was with USB3 flash to NVME was ridiculously awesome (just about 2.5 minutes for the full desktop install with all the apps and 3rd party drivers).  I'm happy to try and test some stuff on this, as it'll all get blown away to be a secure server setup in the near future.

[GOTSpectrum]

Btw, if anyone wants to donate anything for prizes for the next folding month please do so by messaging it to me. Be that steam keys left over from humble bundle or something else.

 

Just ask first to make sure it's something we'd want to give away before sending the key/code/whatever. Please only digital prizes unless you are happy to cover shipping costs yourself.

[palespartan]

5 hours ago, justpoet said:

I did an install on Ubuntu by grabbing the packages and installing.  It was straightforward.  However, I've found that with multiple attempts, I can't actually do so on my box in a usable way.  I'd love to see if there's something I'm missing once an actual guide goes up (and best practices for tuning it and setting up GPU support, which I didn't bother to do in the short CPU run I did to stress test it for a few hours).

 

I can install it, and run it fine.  But once it is installed and running, nothing else ever installs or updates correctly because it has a broken script, so I had to shut it down and remove it and reboot the box before any other installs worked again.  I tried a couple times with the same results.

 

I did it on a fresh and clean install of the latest 18 based Ubuntu LTS Desktop.  I have to say though, how quick and painless that was with USB3 flash to NVME was ridiculously awesome (just about 2.5 minutes for the full desktop install with all the apps and 3rd party drivers).  I'm happy to try and test some stuff on this, as it'll all get blown away to be a secure server setup in the near future.

That is awesome that its becoming that easy. My biggest issue was getting the nvidia driver properly installed (probably easier on ubuntu than it was on Kali) and then the fact that I was stupidly trying to install the 7.4 fahclient and controller which reference packages that aren't offered in the Kali distribution list but as soon as I downloaded the 7.5 and installed those I was able to get the controller running in the GUI and then still had to edit the XML config file to enable GPUs. All of that being said I'm pretty sure almost all of those teething issues are exclusive to Kali which I really hope no one else is running for a folding box. After all of that though I will say I am seeing about a 20% boost in points over running windows which is nice.

[Gorgon]

9 hours ago, justpoet said:

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I can install it, and run it fine.  But once it is installed and running, nothing else ever installs or updates correctly because it has a broken script, so I had to shut it down and remove it and reboot the box before any other installs worked again.  I tried a couple times with the same results. ...

Sounds like something specific to your system. Possibly disabling ACPI or something silly like that.

 

The actual Ubuntu install is usually pretty straight-forward.

 

Its the parts that come afterwards that can be tricky:

• Installing OpenSSH Server for remote access to CLI
• Installing and configuring lm-sensors for hardware monitoring (CPU temperatures, System Temperatures, Fan speed ...)
• Installing the NVidia binary drivers from the PPA
• installing the Folding Client
• Configuring X Windows for Overclocking (Coolbits)
• using nvidia-settings for GPU overclock, power limits, fan speed
• monitoring with nvidia-smi

Can you start another post when you get a chance to try it again?

[justpoet]

44 minutes ago, Gorgon said:

Sounds like something specific to your system. Possibly disabling ACPI or something silly like that.

 

The actual Ubuntu install is usually pretty straight-forward.

 

Its the parts that come afterwards that can be tricky:

• Installing OpenSSH Server for remote access to CLI
• Installing and configuring lm-sensors for hardware monitoring (CPU temperatures, System Temperatures, Fan speed ...)
• Installing the NVidia binary drivers from the PPA
• installing the Folding Client
• Configuring X Windows for Overclocking (Coolbits)
• using nvidia-settings for GPU overclock, power limits, fan speed
• monitoring with nvidia-smi

Can you start another post when you get a chance to try it again?

I did this with a 2400G on AsRock B450m Pro4 board.  So, no nvidia for me.  Ubuntu 18 LTS latest had lm-sensors setup along with a basic gui for it already.  Though, it seemed to only get a CPU temp, rather than also board and other temps like I expected to see, even after I went through having it probe stuff, etc.

 

I'll have to play with the ACPI stuff a bit I think when I'm more serious than a "make sure the hardware is working well" test.  I'm not intending to overclock…though I might underclock the gpu portion of the APU for power/heat savings once it is about to get deployed.

 

Since F@H wasn't on the ubuntu apps search, I did the "easy" thing for somebody familiar with other OSs and just went to the website, hit download on the linux client and control, and it opened the debian packages in the ubuntu installer, where I clicked install.

 

I'll be happy to start another post with the server stuff later, or if I try to do it more "properly" in the future by finding a repo or PPA or the like for F@H so it gets auto informed of update stuff.

[Gorgon]

18 minutes ago, justpoet said:

I did this with a 2400G on AsRock B450m Pro4 board.  So, no nvidia for me.  Ubuntu 18 LTS latest had lm-sensors setup along with a basic gui for it already.  Though, it seemed to only get a CPU temp, rather than also board and other temps like I expected to see, even after I went through having it probe stuff, etc.

 

I'll have to play with the ACPI stuff a bit I think when I'm more serious than a "make sure the hardware is working well" test.  I'm not intending to overclock…though I might underclock the gpu portion of the APU for power/heat savings once it is about to get deployed.

 

Since F@H wasn't on the ubuntu apps search, I did the "easy" thing for somebody familiar with other OSs and just went to the website, hit download on the linux client and control, and it opened the debian packages in the ubuntu installer, where I clicked install.

 

I'll be happy to start another post with the server stuff later, or if I try to do it more "properly" in the future by finding a repo or PPA or the like for F@H so it gets auto informed of update stuff.

No, you pretty much did it the right way.  Lm-sensors issue is likely due to the sensors-detect script not finding the right module. I’m way to familiar wit this as I use GigaByte boards and their ITE SuperIO chips require an experimental kernel module. Other ASrock B450 boards use Nuvoton super I/o controllers so it should have picked up the sensors.

 

There is no included package in Ubuntu for FaH. You have to use dpkg to install the .deb file.

 

Started a Skeleton for the Linux Install HowTo:

 

Edited August 7, 2019 by Gorgon
Nuvoton update

[Gorgon]

23 minutes ago, justpoet said:

I did this with a 2400G on AsRock B450m Pro4 board.  So, no nvidia for me.  Ubuntu 18 LTS latest had lm-sensors setup along with a basic gui for it already.  Though, it seemed to only get a CPU temp, rather than also board and other temps like I expected to see, even after I went through having it probe stuff, etc.

 

I'll have to play with the ACPI stuff a bit I think when I'm more serious than a "make sure the hardware is working well" test.  I'm not intending to overclock…though I might underclock the gpu portion of the APU for power/heat savings once it is about to get deployed.

 

Since F@H wasn't on the ubuntu apps search, I did the "easy" thing for somebody familiar with other OSs and just went to the website, hit download on the linux client and control, and it opened the debian packages in the ubuntu installer, where I clicked install.

 

I'll be happy to start another post with the server stuff later, or if I try to do it more "properly" in the future by finding a repo or PPA or the like for F@H so it gets auto informed of update stuff.

Yup, it has a Nuvoton 6779 chip.  Should work with lm-sensors

[palespartan]

How do I get Debian to ignore unmet dependencies on a package? Specifically it keeps thinking that fahcontrol has the unmet dependency of python-gnome2 yet even without it It is running fine and still gives me full control and gui application support. And if I do its recommended apt --fix-broken install it actually breaks fahcontrol completely.

[Gorgon]

10 hours ago, palespartan said:

How do I get Debian to ignore unmet dependencies on a package? Specifically it keeps thinking that fahcontrol has the unmet dependency of python-gnome2 yet even without it It is running fine and still gives me full control and gui application support. And if I do its recommended apt --fix-broken install it actually breaks fahcontrol completely.

The Manual Installation Section covers this.

 

Im fighting with this in Ubuntu as well for the HowTo.  Honestly I normally don’t use the GUI and just SSH into the rigs for system administration and run FAHcontrol remotely from my Windows daily driver into all my rigs.

 

John Coffland, the developer, has some hints for Python issues on the GitHub page for the Project

 

Time to ressurect the remote access HowTos

 

easiest just find the fahconfig.xml file and add the remote access lines to permit access from other systems on your LAN

[palespartan]

17 hours ago, Gorgon said:

The Manual Installation Section covers this.

 

Im fighting with this in Ubuntu as well for the HowTo.  Honestly I normally don’t use the GUI and just SSH into the rigs for system administration and run FAHcontrol remotely from my Windows daily driver into all my rigs.

 

John Coffland, the developer, has some hints for Python issues on the GitHub page for the Project

 

Time to ressurect the remote access HowTos

 

easiest just find the fahconfig.xml file and add the remote access lines to permit access from other systems on your LAN

Good to know I'll check out the github page and keep trying to find work around and such. Only reason I cant set it up to be remote over lan is because this will be in the office and I still have yet to set up my firewall at home to be able to vpn back to the office. But overall I plan on using vnc over ssh to keep this thing headless.

[GOTSpectrum]

Hear ye, Hear ye, 

 

 

Folding month 2019 is now here and ready for your sign ups!

 

 

Lets make this a good one, invite your friends, neighbours, siblings hell event your dog, time to bang the drums and rally the troops.

 

 

 

[Gorgon]

On 8/7/2019 at 1:27 PM, palespartan said:

How do I get Debian to ignore unmet dependencies on a package? Specifically it keeps thinking that fahcontrol has the unmet dependency of python-gnome2 yet even without it It is running fine and still gives me full control and gui application support. And if I do its recommended apt --fix-broken install it actually breaks fahcontrol completely.

Ithanual answered this here:

Basically FAHControl is built with Python 2 which is deprecated and eol/eos next year so some Python2 packages need to be installed.

 

You might have to “dpkg -r fahcontrol”, Install the Python2 support package then reinstall fahcontrol

[palespartan]

19 hours ago, GOTSpectrum said:

Hear ye, Hear ye, 

 

 

Folding month 2019 is now here and ready for your sign ups!

 

 

Lets make this a good one, invite your friends, neighbours, siblings hell event your dog, time to bang the drums and rally the troops.

 

 

 

Best way of announcing this. lol.

15 hours ago, Gorgon said:

Ithanual answered this here:

Basically FAHControl is built with Python 2 which is deprecated and eol/eos next year so some Python2 packages need to be installed.

 

You might have to “dpkg -r fahcontrol”, Install the Python2 support package then reinstall fahcontrol

Cool. I had to reinstall Kali anyways (pretty sure the nvidia driver broke the settings app) so Ill check about installing the python 2 support packages first this time.