After these security flaws should i go with Intel 8700k or AMD R 1700?

[HHHH]

After these security flaws should i go with Intel 8700k or AMD R 1700 how much it effect the performance or going to??? After all we have to spend big amount of money on them is performance going to decrease with time like 4 to 6 months

 

 

[LienusLateTips]

I'd still say 8700K until Ryzen-v2 comes out.

[Nite-Ninja]

If you're looking for gaming, I personally feel the 7700K is a better choice anyway.

 

For productivity, I'd say Ryzen.

 

My humble opinion though, like above, just wait and see how the Ryzen 2xxx series processors play out, and odds are, Intel will probably crank out another generation of processors soon with the hardware issue fixed.

[KoreanAsian]

I wouldn't get to conclusions too soon no one knows how things are going to turn out.

[DrMacintosh]

It's going to depend mostly on what resolution and GPU you have. If you play at 1080p the Intel chip will probably render more frames but that will only mater if you have a display that can refresh as fast or faster than the frames your GPU is putting out. 

 

Ryzen V2 is coming soon but if you want a chip now I would get the Ryzen chip since if you want to upgrade later to Ryzen V2 or V3 you will always be able to. 

[Nah Xirok]

The issue doesn't seem to affect gaming or video encoding (so far).  So if you need a computer right away, then either choice is alright depending on what you need to do.

If you can wait, then do so and see what Ryzen v2 has to offer.  Its probably not going to be a huge difference but who know knows.

[just_dave]

Wait for Zen2.

Best from both worlds

[Stefan Payne]

5 hours ago, HHHH said:

After these security flaws should i go with Intel 8700k or AMD R 1700 how much it effect the performance or going to??? After all we have to spend big amount of money on them is performance going to decrease with time like 4 to 6 months

The question is:
Do you want a CPU that is rather safe or do you don't mind a CPU where the manufacturer knew about the issue and is outright lying about the shit, tries to shift the blame on other manufacturers as well and implys that everything is affected when in realit it is not the case.

 

So no, DON'T get the Intel! Avoid it.

 

If you really really want the Intel, wait a month or two for everything to come out and read up on the conclusions.

Right now there is more shit coming out every day now!

The Mainstream Medias are reporting about it, everyone is. And it gets worse every day.

Because it seems that Intel might have known about this shit for a long time.

A Black Hat Document from 1,5 Years ago described this issue...

 

And now its out...

 

In "insider circles" people knew about this for a very long time. And Intel did NOT fix it in Coffee Lake! 

 

 

5 hours ago, JDE said:

I'd still say 8700K until Ryzen-v2 comes out.

Why just why?!
Spectre 2 still affects Intel.

 

Why not recommend to wait for all the shit to come out and take a look when we know what was going on?!

That might still take a month or two. But why recommend one right now when you still don't know everything about it?!

 

For all you who think "it's Intel, it isn't that bad'...

 

[DarkSmith2]

 

5 hours ago, HHHH said:

After these security flaws should i go with Intel 8700k or AMD R 1700 how much it effect the performance or going to??? After all we have to spend big amount of money on them is performance going to decrease with time like 4 to 6 months

So alot of misinformation is going on, i want you to watch the last WAN show to get clear about some of that stuff, if you are really interested. Since the fixes for Meltdown are out and doesnt seem to affect Intels performance by much especially on the newer CPU's. Spectre affects almost every CPU from the past 15years and fixes might also affect performance to all of them the same way they do to Intel CPU's. 

 

Recommendations are still the same, if you target to play on a High Refreshrate 120/144/200hz go with Intel. If not choose AMD.

[Stefan Payne]

4 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

 Spectre affects almost every CPU from the past 15years and fixes might also affect performance to all of them the same way they do to Intel CPU's. 

Spectre 1 maybe.

Spectre 2 only affects Intel in x86. And is NOT fixable in Software!!

[Damascus]

9 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Spectre 1 maybe.

Spectre 2 only affects Intel in x86. And is NOT fixable in Software!!

Can you provide links to this spectre 2? First I've heard of it

[DarkSmith2]

10 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Spectre 1 maybe.

Spectre 2 only affects Intel in x86. And is NOT fixable in Software!!

First off all, breath put your tinfoil hat from your head and dont scream at me.

second, dont trust everything you read on the internet and dont spread misinformation.

[Stefan Payne]

14 minutes ago, Damascus said:

Can you provide links to this spectre 2? First I've heard of it

Spectre has two variants:

https://www.amd.com/en/corporate/speculative-execution

 

Variant 3 is Meltdown, Variant 1+2 is Spectre.

 

Here the "official" Website of that thing:

https://meltdownattack.com

[Damascus]

3 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Spectre has two variants:

https://www.amd.com/en/corporate/speculative-execution

 

Variant 3 is Meltdown, Variant 1+2 is Spectre.

 

Here the "official" Website of that thing:

https://meltdownattack.com

Tbh I dont know how much I trust the amd link but thanks for the info. 

[HHHH]

14 minutes ago, Damascus said:

Tbh I dont know how much I trust the amd link but thanks for the info. 

My work mostly mostly related to wed development android studio and gaming

 

[Damascus]

4 hours ago, HHHH said:

My work mostly mostly related to wed development android studio and gaming

 

Get whatever.  Repeated consumer tests have shown these patches have a very minor effect for most consumers. 

 

Also, @Stefan Payne both have various weaknesses and Im sticking with my opinion of getting the chip that best suits your needs and forget about the vulnerabilies.  Both have them in spades.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/06/amd_cpu_psp_flaw/

[Stefan Payne]

8 hours ago, HHHH said:

My work mostly mostly related to wed development android studio and gaming

 

Seems like things that would have gotten hit the hardest by Meltdown.

[LienusLateTips]

13 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Why just why?!
Spectre 2 still affects Intel.

 

Why not recommend to wait for all the shit to come out and take a look when we know what was going on?!

That might still take a month or two. But why recommend one right now when you still don't know everything about it?!

 

For all you who think "it's Intel, it isn't that bad'...

 

Repeated testing has shown patches don't hinder performance that much for consumer-lineup CPUs. And the patches are already out.

[xg32]

18 hours ago, HHHH said:

After these security flaws should i go with Intel 8700k or AMD R 1700 how much it effect the performance or going to??? After all we have to spend big amount of money on them is performance going to decrease with time like 4 to 6 months

 

 

unless you have to buy now, wait for zen+, if it can game at 120+ fps, go for amd, if not, then it's up to you to balance what you want in gaming vs security.

[Stefan Payne]

28 minutes ago, JDE said:

Repeated testing has shown patches don't hinder performance that much for consumer-lineup CPUs. And the patches are already out.

No, they are not.

 

 

BIOS Updates are still coming to you all...

 

 

 

[stlwrx]

29 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

No, they are not.

 

 

BIOS Updates are still coming to you all...

 

 

 

Bios updates and patches are already out for a good portion of people. I have the newest Microsoft patch as well as the newest bios version for my MB just released last night. In the realeass notes, it clearly states Micro code update. I saw no performance decrease in what I do daily.