My take on Intel refuse to patch the bug.

[Kthekiller]

It won't be fixed because the bug has to be fixed in the os.

 

[Princess Luna]

Mate, are you doing virtualization tasks and data center/cloud workloads?

 

Because for Gaming and mainstream usage, normal stuff for normal people buying the i5 8600k there is no 30% performance hit.

 

Also you are in luck, Coffee Lake has the last revision of PCID which in itself already is a fix to the performance hit.

 

Don't allow yourself to be scared or pissed with all this speculation going on you still have one of the best gaming and general usage CPUs in the market today.

[PCGuy_5960]

Just wait, nothing is confirmed. AFAIK, the only benchmarks we have right now are synthetic benchmarks in Linux (irrelevant for most people) and this patch doesn't affect gaming performance. 

 

So unless you are using your PC for datacenter workloads, you should be fine

[PureCrispyBacon]

1 minute ago, Kthekiller said:

It won't be fixed because the bug has to be fixed in the os.

 

Right, I read that to fix it would require a full OS rewrite. So it won't ever be fixed?

[johnukguy]

6 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Because for Gaming and mainstream usage, normal stuff for normal people buying the i5 8600k there is no 30% performance hit.

 

 

You keep making these statements but have yet to produce any evidence at all for them. Please produce testing that shows that 'there is no %30 performance hit' for Windows gaming. Now it is likely that there will be less of a performance hit for gaming but certainly nobody is saying yet that there will be no hit at all, or that it won't be %30 in some cases perhaps, so if you have information that nobody else has, including every tech site and major news outlet, do produce it. Otherwise it's just speculation and we won't know for sure until testing has been done with the Windows patch in place. Which by the way is exactly what you yourself stated in another thread. Or are you now changing your mind about that?

[Damascus]

10 minutes ago, johnukguy said:

You keep making these statements but have yet to produce any evidence at all for them. Please produce testing that shows that 'there is no %30 performance hit' for Windows gaming. Now it is likely that there will be less of a performance hit for gaming but certainly nobody is saying yet that there will be no hit at all, or that it won't be %30 in some cases perhaps, so if you have information that nobody else has, including every tech site and major news outlet, do produce it. Otherwise it's just speculation and we won't know for sure until testing has been done with the Windows patch in place. Which by the way is exactly what you yourself stated in another thread. Or are you now changing your mind about that?

M8, the article you linked said no performance loss in gaming

[johnukguy]

6 minutes ago, Damascus said:

M8, the article you linked said no performance loss in gaming

In Linux yes.Nobody yet knows what, if any performance hit there will be for gaming on Windows. So you must be a Linux user. In which case great.  You are gaming on Linux I take it? Also, I didn't link any article in this thread and can't find any article that states there will be no performance loss in Windows gaming. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else? Which article exactly is claiming that Windows gamers will definitely have no performance loss? Whoever posted that, I'd love to see that. That would be great news.

[Damascus]

1 minute ago, johnukguy said:

Perhaps you have me confused with someone else?

That is possible.  Let me go check..

[PureCrispyBacon]

1 minute ago, johnukguy said:

In Linux yes.Nobody yet knows what, if any performance hit there will be for gaming on Windows. So you must be a Linux user. In which case great.  You are gaming on Linux I take it? Also, I didn't link any article in this thread and can't find any article that states there will be no performance loss in Windows gaming. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else? Which article exactly is claiming that Windows gamers will definitely have no performance loss? Whoever posted that, I'd love to see that. That would be great news.

I'm still confused, though. I understand that there will be a general performance loss across the board. I just want to know if it will ever be fixed, if it is repairable

[Damascus]

3 minutes ago, johnukguy said:

In Linux yes.Nobody yet knows what, if any performance hit there will be for gaming on Windows. So you must be a Linux user. In which case great.  You are gaming on Linux I take it? Also, I didn't link any article in this thread and can't find any article that states there will be no performance loss in Windows gaming.

I doubt there will be a fundamental difference between the two, though yes I do game on Linux

 

I game on Windows too, vms are wonderful.

[johnukguy]

Just now, PureCrispyBacon said:

I'm still confused, though. I understand that there will be a general performance loss across the board. I just want to know if it will ever be fixed, if it is repairable

It is repairable but will require a big overhaul of how the kernel is dealt with in Windows. Microsoft may not want to repair it but, given that the EU is likely to legislate against them if they don't, it's likely that it will be repaired. It will likely take a fair while though.

[NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle]

This thread along with all the others, proves that people are gullible and don't like to do any research whatsoever.

They just believe the clickbait title and that's it. No wonder that fake news has grown so much in the last couple of years.

Who needs any proof and information in your article when you can have a misleading title that everyone will read and won't bother with the rest.

[johnukguy]

1 minute ago, Damascus said:

I doubt there will be a fundamental difference between the two, though yes I do game on Linux

 

I game on Windows too, vms are wonderful.

You probably have an ideal test bench then to see directly for yourself and I'm glad that you will not suffer because of this, partly due to having the foresight to be using Linux.

[johnukguy]

4 minutes ago, NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle said:

This thread along with all the others, proves that people are gullible and don't like to do any research whatsoever.

They just believe the clickbait title and that's it. No wonder that fake news has grown so much in the last couple of years.

Who needs any proof and information in your article when you can have a misleading title that everyone will read and won't bother with the rest.

Then do go right ahead and show exactly the information that you claim that disproves what this and all the other articles that I can find are saying. Feel free. After all, if this is all just made up, then that would be great news and I'm sure that the tech press would love to hear this too.

[johnukguy]

Just now, Princess Cadence said:

i am right cuz I know how to link poorly written rushed up articles with insufficient data".

Or, perhaps I prefer to give at least some sources and evidence, instead of saying for example that there will be a '%0 to %5' hit and not being able to produce any evidence at all. Still waiting for you to back up your claim by the way. Unless you just made it up?  

[i_am_kingjonny]

Anyone able to answer my question please? My research has hit a blinding wall.

 

So I'm running 2 x5450s (released Nov 2007) and the articles are saying all processors made in the last decade. Does this process or make use of the speculative thing?

And

I use my workstation for audio processing rather than gaming. Am I likely to see a performance hit?

 

Much appreciate any input.

[WkdPaul]

1 hour ago, ♠FlamieMeister♠ said:

*snip*

 

48 minutes ago, PureCrispyBacon said:

*snip*

 

 

Too many threads about this already, so threads all merged.

[DeadlyTitan]

*Sign* Should have bought Ryzen, but at this point we are not sure weather the patch is just going to effect Intel CPU's  but if they need to rework the entire kernel system and how it performs then it does not look good for AMD either. 

 

 

[Lemon Wolf]

Intel cant simply fix this problem since its a bug inside the hardware.

The only way Intel could fix it would be to replace all affected CPUs with models that dont have this hardware bug.

This of course isnt practical. Maybe they can get rid of this bug in the next generation of CPUs.

Right now the only solution is to apply a workaround via OS patches.

[Damascus]

19 minutes ago, johnukguy said:

You probably have an ideal test bench then to see directly for yourself and I'm glad that you will not suffer because of this, partly due to having the foresight to be using Linux.

Hopefully I'll have my x99 rig running before these patches go live, probably a more interesting test subject than an i7 860

8 minutes ago, wkdpaul said:

Too many threads about this already, so threads all merged.

Lol, there will be a ton of confusion

[WkdPaul]

4 minutes ago, Damascus said:

Lol, there will be a ton of confusion

Seems like there's already is ...

[johnukguy]

1 minute ago, Damascus said:

Hopefully I'll have my x99 rig running before these patches go live, probably a more interesting test subject than an i7 860

Lol, there will be a ton of confusion

For sure there will be, with conflicting claims of course. You're dead right about the X99 rig being more interesting than an i7 860 rig though, can't argue with that. It was an odd creature, even when it was released. Though it's still retailing at just under $300 if you ever decided to sell the CPU. 

[porina]

38 minutes ago, johnukguy said:

Microsoft may not want to repair it but, given that the EU is likely to legislate against them if they don't, it's likely that it will be repaired. It will likely take a fair while though.

Why would the EU (or anyone else) go after MS for what is an Intel problem?

27 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

*snip*

Has there been a statement that the fix will be released then? While the 2nd Tuesday of a month is the main patch for MS, they can and do out of cycle updates where necessary.

[johnukguy]

2 minutes ago, porina said:

Why would the EU (or anyone else) go after MS for what is an Intel problem?

Because it is up to Microsoft to implement the patch in such a way that it won't negatively impact AMD CPU users. Were they to not do so, they expose themselves to legal actions under EU law. Yes, the security flaw is specific to Intel CPUs but, if the Microsoft patch then affects AMD CPU's, when they are not affected by the original issue, that in itself becomes a new problem.

[Princess Luna]

4 minutes ago, porina said:

Has there been a statement that the fix will be released then? While the 2nd Tuesday of a month is the main patch for MS, they can and do out of cycle updates where necessary.

Yes I read on the pcworld.com last article of the subject that's when they are rolling the patch out.

 

5 minutes ago, porina said:

Why would the EU (or anyone else) go after MS for what is an Intel problem?

I have no idea either but as we stand how bad (or good) things are going to be are rather in the hands of Microsoft Kernel coders than in Intel's...