Done with EVGA power supplies

[SubLimation7]

I've built a lot of systems... the last several builds I've been using EVGA supernova 80+ platinum power supplies... well... I have had THREE fail.  When I used to buy the cheapest for necessary wattage, I never had any fail, even the cheap corsair ones.

 

I've had 2 1000 watts fail, and most recently an 850watt, but this ones a little more interesting.

 

I'm watching youtube of all things, I know so stressful right, and my PC just shuts off (BTW was 66 degree in the room, quite chilly, I have super fine filters on ALL intakes, corsair air 740 case so the power supply has its own damn room, AND I have 7 case fans....).  Go to turn it on and only runs for a few seconds, eventually I got it to run, brought my video back up only for it to turn off 5 minutes later.  So I do some googling and find out back in 2013 EVGA admitted to screwing up thermal pads (reminds me of gpu issue recently), and this was causing them to shut themselves off basicly due to overheating.  Well, I found 100s of people even lots in 2016 still having the same issue, I would have opened it myself and tried to get things running cooler, but I don't want to void the warranty, so I took my air blaster (what I call it), put it to the back of the psu, and whala, it works.  Typing this right now on the same system although I can't hear anything due to the sound of a jet engine.  Yes, I tried booting without massive airflow after the successful run, and it shut down after about 10 seconds.

 

Might glue a damn noctua IPPC fan on the back of it as exhaust....

 

What I'm using to get the airflow: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00S7CH6FK/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 

 

Surge protectors I use: https://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-Protector-INSURANCE-SUPER7B/dp/B00AAHT8AQ/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1510886324&sr=8-6&keywords=tripp+lite+surge+protector&dpID=312BuLFAcfL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

 

 

Edit: Anyone have a recommendation on PSU with PROVEN reliability?  Tier 1 is cool and all but these EVGA p2's are tier one and yeah... screw em...

 

Update for the people tripping over themselves seeing EVGA cast in a negative light and don't want to read the thread:

To kind of wrap this up, I don't hate EVGA or anything, and their PSUs should be very high quality, they even feel solid, have great warranties, quality components etc.

 

However, until a few years ago I focused on building budget systems, so obviously high end PSU was out of the question.  And not a single one failed, I mostly bought corsair CX600 which are what tier 4?

 

Fast forward to high end systems, did some research, went with EVGA, took pride in using them.  But one broke, whatever it happens.  Another broke, hmmm.....  And now another one, I'm done lol... for now

 

3 strikes your out right?

 

I'm sure I'll revisit them one day, but when I had a flawless track record with cheap PSUs I mean... what else can I think...

 

With that being said I'm still going to use tier 1, just another brand.  If 3 years goes by and no issues, I'll stick with them, if it is the same deal all over again then back to the drawing board.

 

Maybe luck, maybe an oversight, maybe 1% of 100 different factors that added up to something failing in a silly way, who knows.

[ars3n1k]

If it's a known issue and you don't want to void your warranty...why not use your warranty to get it fixed?

 

[WereCat]

You know that EVGA does not make PSUs?

And having multiple high quality PSU fails is either the dumbest luck it the world or your problem lies somewhere entirely else.

[nicefox1]

1 minute ago, WereCat said:

You know that EVGA does not make PSUs?

https://www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=10

 

???

[SubLimation7]

Just now, WereCat said:

You know that EVGA does not make PSUs?

And having multiple high quality PSU fails is either the dumbest luck it the world or your problem lies somewhere entirely else.

I don't believe in constantly bad luck, especially considering the 100s of similar posts from others.  Systems all were rock solid before this....  EVGA outsources, either way, it's still branded EVGA.

 

My problem lies somewhere else, yet massive airflow right up it's ass fixes the problem?

[WereCat]

1 minute ago, nicefox1 said:

https://www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=10

 

???

EVGA sells PSUs under their brand but SuperFlower makes (at least most of the high end ones) PSUs for EVGA.

SuperFlower is as reputable PSU brand as Seasonic (maybe not in the USA though).

[STRMfrmXMN]

Just now, nicefox1 said:

https://www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=10

 

???

EVGA does not have a factory where they do the soldering and component selection. That's done by their OEMs. 

 

If multiple high-end PSUs are dying then chances are you need a surge protector or you need to source the root of the problem. Those PSUs are built like trucks by Super Flower.

[DocSwag]

1 minute ago, nicefox1 said:

https://www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=10

 

???

EVGA takes outside designs and rebrands them. Most of their psus are made by super flower.

[ARikozuM]

1 minute ago, nicefox1 said:

https://www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=10

 

???

They sell PSU's, but they don't make them. Same as how most PSU's are made by Seasonic, Super Flower, or Delta. 

[Gikero]

1 minute ago, SubLimation7 said:

My problem lies somewhere else, yet massive airflow right up it's ass fixes the problem?

Maybe airflow isn't the problem. Sounds electrical to me.

[SubLimation7]

2 minutes ago, ars3n1k said:

If it's a known issue and you don't want to void your warranty...why not use your warranty to get it fixed?

 

You still lose a nice chunk of change shipping it back, and I do plan on doing so, but it's incredibly annoying.  

 

I'm still kinda tempted to pop it open and replace thermal pads, if so I'll find a video first and make sure it's somewhat realistic.

[ARikozuM]

I would check your mains or the wiring for the outlet since killing three is very unlikely to occur unless the power supply is having to work harder to produce the necessary wattage. 

[SubLimation7]

 

On ‎11‎/‎16‎/‎2017 at 6:41 PM, ARikozuM said:

I would check your mains or the wiring for the outlet since killing three is very unlikely to occur unless the power supply is having to work harder to produce the necessary wattage. 

One was at a friends, the last was at an apartment, this one at a different house, already tried different outlets and surge protectors, currently have multiple other PCs all working fine.  Oh and they all broke all in different builds, this one 6800k, last 3570k, 1st 8350, over the course of about 3 years.

 

I have lots of PCs....

 

Have a ryzen 7 build right next to me at girlfriends desk with same exact PSU doing fine... 

 

Also, the 3 breaking is over the course of 3-4 years.  I've bought about 11 that haven't broken but I mean 11/14 is pretty bad...

[ARikozuM]

Just now, SubLimation7 said:

One was at a friends, the last was at an apartment, this one at a different house, already tried different outlets and surge protectors, have multiple PCs all working fine.

Is anything being shorted? All standoffs in place? No bare wiring? Rats in the PSU? 

 

This is odd. What PSU is this?

[WereCat]

4 minutes ago, SubLimation7 said:

 

 

I'm still kinda tempted to pop it open and replace thermal pads, if so I'll find a video first and make sure it's somewhat realistic.

Thermal pads? 

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story5&reid=361

[SubLimation7]

Just now, ARikozuM said:

Is anything being shorted? All standoffs in place? No bare wiring? Rats in the PSU? 

 

This is odd. What PSU is this?

EVGA Supernova P2, the particular one is an 850w, the last 2 were 1000w and ~700w

 

keep in mind, this isn't consecutively, the last 14 or so builds I've done have all been EVGA

 

But I never have PSU or any hardware failures, so it makes these EVGAS look pretty bad.

[STRMfrmXMN]

Just now, SubLimation7 said:

EVGA Supernova P2, the particular one is an 850w, the last 2 were 1000w and ~700w

 

keep in mind, this isn't consecutively, the last 14 or so builds I've done have all been EVGA

 

But I never have PSU or any hardware failures, so it makes these EVGAS look pretty bad.

You're either starving the PSUs for airflow or something is wrong with your power sources. That much "bad luck" is crazy.

 

4 minutes ago, SubLimation7 said:

One was at a friends, the last was at an apartment, this one at a different house, already tried different outlets and surge protectors, have multiple PCs all working fine.  Oh and all in different builds, this one 6800k, last 3570k, 1st 8350

 

I have lots of PCs....

 

Have a ryzen 7 build right next to me at girlfriends desk with same exact PSU doing fine... 

 

Also, the 3 breaking is over the course of 3-4 years.  I've bought about 11 that haven't broken but I mean 11/14 is pretty bad...

At this point I don't really believe you. Either your power delivery where you live is utter garbage or you're misusing your PSUs. Super Flower is among the best OEMs and unless you just happened to get a bunch of units used then there's no reason why this many should be dying.

[nicefox1]

11 minutes ago, WereCat said:

EVGA sells PSUs under their brand but SuperFlower makes PSUs for EVGA.

SuperFlower is as reputable PSU brand as Seasonic (maybe not in the USA though).

 

11 minutes ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

EVGA does not have a factory where they do the soldering and component selection. That's done by their OEMs. 

 

If multiple high-end PSUs are dying then chances are you need a surge protector or you need to source the root of the problem. Those PSUs are built like trucks by Super Flower.

 

11 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

EVGA takes outside designs and rebrands them. Most of their psus are made by super flower.

cool, thanks

 

weird brand name tho

[SubLimation7]

11 hours ago, WereCat said:

Thermal pads? 

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story5&reid=361

I'm not sure, hard to tell from the pictures, I'm not an expert on PSU internals.  I got it from here mostly: https://forums.evga.com/Why-are-the-SuperNova-1050G-power-supplies-failing-after-a-few-months-of-use-m2520407.aspx

 

"EVGA has discovered that a small batch of our 1300W & 1000W Power Supplies (P/N: 120-G2-1300-XR, 220-P2-1000-XR, 120-G2-1000-XR) did not meet the quality levels that EVGA stands behind. There is insufficient insulation on the thermal pad by a heatsink which may cause the Power Supply to shut down or be unable to power on. If you have one of these part numbers, please fill in your serial number below on this page to see if your power supply is affected. NOTE: This symptom should not occur on ANY Power Supply that was purchased on October 1st, 2013 or later
http://www.evga.com/articles/00803/"

 

11 hours ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

You're either starving the PSUs for airflow or something is wrong with your power sources. That much "bad luck" is crazy.

 

At this point I don't really believe you. Either your power delivery where you live is utter garbage or you're misusing your PSUs. Super Flower is among the best OEMs and unless you just happened to get a bunch of units used then there's no reason why this many should be dying.

I don't really care, but I'll give you a pic.  You did read the 11/14 part and that I have a ryzen build with same psu right next to me doing fine?

[AnalogCanavity]

15 minutes ago, SubLimation7 said:

Anyone have a recommendation on PSU with PROVEN reliability

Amazing PSUs, I have the 650 watt Prime titanium. Love it!

 

https://seasonic.com/product-category/consumer-products/prime-series/

https://seasonic.com/product-category/consumer-products/prime-ultra-series/

[DocSwag]

Just now, nicefox1 said:

 

 

cool, thanks

 

weird brand name tho

A lot of electronics brands have really weird names. Just think about it. Powercolor, fractal design, be quiet, oneplus, etc.

[WereCat]

2 minutes ago, nicefox1 said:

 

 

cool, thanks

 

weird brand name tho

Like... yeah... but the air FLOW...   It flows really well, that fan is a great FLOWer.

EDIT:
Electricity FLOWs as well ...neh?

[ARikozuM]

1 minute ago, DocSwag said:

A lot of electronics brands have really weird names. Just think about it. Powercolor, fractal design, be quiet, oneplus, etc.

Hey, guys! I found the PSU rookie! Let's taunt him! 

[paddy-stone]

My 850W P2 has never even spun up it's fans, been rock solid little PSU. Have a few 650 G2 units too and similarly with them PSUs have been excellent.

Maybe just a bad unit, it can happen of course, nobody is flawless. RMA, after all it has a 7-10 year warranty depending on locale. At least it didn't pop a capacitor or something even worse and take some parts with it. I think you've been unlucky, certainly more than average fail rates, especially for such quality PSUs... have the fans been spinning? what kind of load were you putting through at the time and ambient temp?

Mine definitely don't spin as it's never hot enough or has enough load going through, was only a little more expensive and as I prefer quiet as possible was a no-brainer... plus 7 years is a long time where my PC will change a fair bit, so better to have more wattage than needed than to have to buy another.

[STRMfrmXMN]

12 minutes ago, nicefox1 said:

 

 

cool, thanks

 

weird brand name tho

It's actually Super "Flow" er, like Blower style cooler or lawn mower.