General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

[Xa3phod]

I finally outran my 6700K in Cinebench with my X5670! The 6700K is overclocked to 4.7Ghz and my X5670 which is overclocked to 4.62Ghz.

 

Is it worth upgrading to an X5675? Or an X5690?

[NoxiousOdor]

31 minutes ago, Xa3phod said:

I finally outran my 6700K in Cinebench with my X5670! The 6700K is overclocked to 4.7Ghz and my X5670 which is overclocked to 4.62Ghz.

 

Is it worth upgrading to an X5675? Or an X5690?

I have two of the 5690, personally unless you prefer the bigger number in the name I would go with the 5675. The 5675 has a lower power draw but is pretty much the same otherwise and so you could probably run it a little cooler. That being said I haven't used the 5675 and I do really love my 5690s, they do get warm though.

[Slayer3032]

If your X5670 hits 4.6ghz+ stable, I wouldn't bother. Not all X5675's will reach past 4.5ghz and often when they do you're dumping way more voltage into them. If your only goal is to get higher numbers, go for it but the X5675 is a later production with a higher bin which is why they're coveted since they're fairly common and cheap. There's been quite a few X5675's which will go further than X5690's but that doesn't mean anything really. Someone who's had way more experience with overclocking each sku would need to chime in with personal experience to really give you a recommendation. Secondly, as soon as you approach that price range you should also look out for the W3680 and i7-990X too since those are actually unlocked and might allow you to tweak the overclock in a way that will allow you to go higher around any other limitations you might also hit very quickly. But, again, those might not hit 4.6ghz either.

 

Anyway you go from here, you're going to be pushing everything really hard. There's zero guarantees on what each cpu will do and if they will do better. My X5660 would peg out core 6's sensor at 98c with 4.4ghz@1.375v if it was hit with any solid benchmark, there was a 30c different between cores on that thing. My X5675 core 6 will only spike to 88c at 4.6@1.385v, usually runs around 78-83c on most cores during a P95. I can give the X5675 4.8ghz@1.45v but it won't increase scores in Cinebench anyfurther, nor stay stable. We really take these things as far as they will go.

[bimmerman]

1 hour ago, Slayer3032 said:

If your X5670 hits 4.6ghz+ stable, I wouldn't bother. Not all X5675's will reach past 4.5ghz and often when they do you're dumping way more voltage into them. If your only goal is to get higher numbers, go for it but the X5675 is a later production with a higher bin which is why they're coveted since they're fairly common and cheap. There's been quite a few X5675's which will go further than X5690's but that doesn't mean anything really. Someone who's had way more experience with overclocking each sku would need to chime in with personal experience to really give you a recommendation. Secondly, as soon as you approach that price range you should also look out for the W3680 and i7-990X too since those are actually unlocked and might allow you to tweak the overclock in a way that will allow you to go higher around any other limitations you might also hit very quickly. But, again, those might not hit 4.6ghz either.

 

Anyway you go from here, you're going to be pushing everything really hard. There's zero guarantees on what each cpu will do and if they will do better. My X5660 would peg out core 6's sensor at 98c with 4.4ghz@1.375v if it was hit with any solid benchmark, there was a 30c different between cores on that thing. My X5675 core 6 will only spike to 88c at 4.6@1.385v, usually runs around 78-83c on most cores during a P95. I can give the X5675 4.8ghz@1.45v but it won't increase scores in Cinebench anyfurther, nor stay stable. We really take these things as far as they will go.

This is my experience and advice as well-- look for an X5675, but don't discount the other chips if they're cheaper. I have about a 10C difference between cores during benchmarking at 4.6. I can do 4.7 at 1.4V but it's not exactly stable, and it's faaaaar past the point of diminishing returns. I haven't tried 4.8 yet. I run mine at 4.5 most of the time.

[andreweddy]

On 9/20/2018 at 9:46 PM, Slayer3032 said:

Original X58 owner here, still using it daily. Wish I found out about these Xeons years ago since my Nehalem was a total dud that eventually degraded below 3.8ghz. It's been a slowly evolving build since I bought it new. This is my everything build, it's been used heavily it's entire life and even seen a couple power supplies die in it and so many fans I've entirely lost count.

 

Here's what it resembles now, I suppose there's not a ton  left from the original build but it's become more of a used parts junk heap that still swings hard at any newer build.

 

 

So pretty much every upgrade in this thing was bought because it was dirt cheap, the X5675 was $25, half the 12gb of ram is $18 shipped worth of Samsung ECC 1333mhz. The 1080 was EVGA's $299.99 B-Stock deal for a Gaming SC non-LED, which for some reason has a SC2 backplate and LED's. Seasonic Focus+ 850w was $79.99 to replace a free 12 year old Toughpower 750w. The Corsair 450D was $46 on an Amazon Lightning deal. I paid $400-500 for 6gb of ram and the motherboard which I later found out there was a rev. 2 board for the same price that I should have been sent with better vrm. So after getting a dud of an i7-930 that only did 4ghz for a few days before never again posting at 4ghz, I've focused on nothing but getting deals for this thing.

 

When ram and video cards were really expensive, this thing really hurt feelings when I would tell people things like I have a spare cpu for this thing sitting in a bowl with my flash drives right after they dropped over $1000 on a build and got lower numbers compared to old stuff that's getting tossed out. I nearly went Ryzen but at $400-500, a $24 X5660 impulse buy made me fall in love with this thing again while matching and/or exceeding the hardware I was looking at.

 

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/16132976

 

GA-X58A-UD5 (Rev.1)

Xeon X5675(23x200@1.385v)

3x2gb Samsung ECC Unbuffered and 3x2gb G.Skill Pi Series (1600mhz@8-8-8-20-1T)

EVGA GTX 1080 Gaming SC(2000mhz(+0mhz) stock boost clock and +500mhz memory)

 

While I love this thing, the little nuances can be ridiculous. Like I had to patch in all new microcodes since Gigabyte only offered broken hexcore microcodes for this board revision and the Beta bios's are insanely unstable, require Windows 7 to be flashed and don't even have updated microcodes anyways. I still get some random restarts but they're insanely inconsistent which I wonder if at this point they might be power saving related which I'd rather keep and suffer a restart once a couple times a month. I've also found out that every fan header on the motherboard just runs fans at either 100%, 75% or 50% at random based on which header it is and only the CPU 4pin does PWM control despite having another 4pin. So I got a swiftech fan hub and went all Noctua since my NH-D14's 120mm fan survived 8 years of 100% while this motherboard has worn out at least 10 other 120mm fans in that same timespan.

 

Now I'm thinking I need a nice little workstation/server to stuff the spare X5660 into along with all my current spinning disks and put a large NVMe into this thing. Those black PCB 4GB 1866mhz Mac Pro memory sticks might also be calling my name if I do that. I'm hesitant though since if this thing decides it's lived long enough. The NVMe though would be an investment for a new platform if one was ever needed.

Nice rig. I'm still on my original x58 Asus p6t ws, works like a champ and got the Xeon earlier this yr. It's quite a lot better than a 920

[Razor Blade]

Running Cinebench on some recently acquired CPUs in a R710...sure why not. 

 

 

Not going to lie...I'm loving the X5675. Sure the X5680s I have will get a higher score, but the power consumption at full load is seemingly (with my non-scientific testing) a lot less with these.

[bimmerman]

On ‎9‎/‎22‎/‎2018 at 9:16 AM, Razor Blade said:

Running Cinebench on some recently acquired CPUs in a R710...sure why not. 

 

 

Not going to lie...I'm loving the X5675. Sure the X5680s I have will get a higher score, but the power consumption at full load is seemingly (with my non-scientific testing) a lot less with these.

how'd you get that high of a score?!

[bimmerman]

NVMe gurus-- learn me a bit.

 

I just got a 1080ti to breathe new life into the X5675 rig. I'm currently using an 850 pro or evo (I think?) SSD, and am debating going for an NVMe drive along with Win10 for a complete revitalization. I still have a mechanical disk for the steam library....would be nice to migrate that to SSD.

 

I have read that the 950 Pro is the easy button for this, but it is ~2x the cost of the newer NVMe drives, not to mention other brands' models. Has anyone tried this?

 

Additionally, has anyone tried 2x NVMe, one boot the other for storage?

 

Or, add-in SATA3 PCIE cards to get around the Marvell chip?

[GillyMoMo]

I love my dual X5675's that I picked up about 2 months ago. After having a Dell R710 for about two years I love it. I don't really game on it since the board I have doesn't overclock (Tyan s7205). I am trying to figure what else to do with such power!

[Razor Blade]

1 hour ago, bimmerman said:

how'd you get that high of a score?!

It is a dual CPU system. I have no idea what a typical score would be...

[Crunchy Dragon]

1 minute ago, Razor Blade said:

It is a dual CPU system. I have no idea what a typical score would be...

That looks about right for dual 6 core X58 chips.

 

My Ryzen 5 1600 at 3.8Ghz is just under dual X5650s in Cinebench.

[bimmerman]

Just installed the 1080ti, figured I'd share.

 

CPU: Xeon X5675 @ 4.51 GHz (21x215)

RAM: 24GB @1720 MHz
GPU: 1080ti FE w/ Hybrid cooler (no OC)
GPU Core: 1898 MHz
GPU Memory: 1376 MHz

Score: 20164
3DMark Link: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/28841819?

 

Turns out PCIe 2.0 isn't useless!

 

 

[MaratM]

On 25.09.2018 at 5:21 AM, bimmerman said:

NVMe gurus-- learn me a bit.

 

I just got a 1080ti to breathe new life into the X5675 rig. I'm currently using an 850 pro or evo (I think?) SSD, and am debating going for an NVMe drive along with Win10 for a complete revitalization. I still have a mechanical disk for the steam library....would be nice to migrate that to SSD.

 

I have read that the 950 Pro is the easy button for this, but it is ~2x the cost of the newer NVMe drives, not to mention other brands' models. Has anyone tried this?

 

Additionally, has anyone tried 2x NVMe, one boot the other for storage?

 

Or, add-in SATA3 PCIE cards to get around the Marvell chip?

I installed 950pro with p6t. It was a simple plug and play solution. Using some noname chinese pci-e to nvme adapter

the drive shows up in bios as another drive. You bios has to be set in ACHI mode not in IDE. 

you can either have a clean windows install or just clone the drive using free samsung software.

Set it up as a boot drive and you get the fastest drive for your os. 

However it is not possible to get full speed on this drive due to pci-e 2.0 smaller speed, but it is 5! Times faster than any sata ssd on sata2.

ebay is your best place to shop for 950pro and the only buyers for this drive is probably x58 users))) here is a first one i found on ebay

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F173544542973

as for sata3 3-rd party controller i could not be bothered. Loading speed for games from a sata2 ssd is few seconds longer and it does not worth it

for the second nvme drive i run out of pcie slots((( they are covered by the bottom rad 

 

[bimmerman]

58 minutes ago, MaratM said:

I installed 950pro with p6t. It was a simple plug and play solution. Using some noname chinese pci-e to nvme adapter

the drive shows up in bios as another drive. You bios has to be set in ACHI mode not in IDE. 

you can either have a clean windows install or just clone the drive using free samsung software.

Set it up as a boot drive and you get the fastest drive for your os. 

However it is not possible to get full speed on this drive due to pci-e 2.0 smaller speed, but it is 5! Times faster than any sata ssd on sata2.

ebay is your best place to shop for 950pro and the only buyers for this drive is probably x58 users))) here is a first one i found on ebay

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F173544542973

as for sata3 3-rd party controller i could not be bothered. Loading speed for games from a sata2 ssd is few seconds longer and it does not worth it

for the second nvme drive i run out of pcie slots((( they are covered by the bottom rad 

 

 

Thanks!

 

I've been scouring ebay and think I'm going to go that route for the 950.

 

Have you heard of anyone running 2+ NVMe drives on the X58? I understand the 950pro is the best boot drive candidate, but what augmenting it with a 970 Evo for data/steam library? A new 1TB 970pro is ~$290, vs 2x that for a 1 TB 950 pro.

[MaratM]

45 minutes ago, bimmerman said:

Thanks!

 

I've been scouring ebay and think I'm going to go that route for the 950.

 

Have you heard of anyone running 2+ NVMe drives on the X58? I understand the 950pro is the best boot drive candidate, but what augmenting it with a 970 Evo for data/steam library? A new 1TB 970pro is ~$290, vs 2x that for a 1 TB 950 pro.

Pointless, but feasable) does it worth a couple seconds shaved off your games loading time? Compare to a sata ssd, samsung 860evo cost around $180 for 1tb and you 970evo/pro will be limited by pci-e2.0 and by your cpu)

[Zando_]

10 hours ago, bimmerman said:

Just installed the 1080ti, figured I'd share.

 

CPU: Xeon X5675 @ 4.51 GHz (21x215)

RAM: 24GB @1720 MHz
GPU: 1080ti FE w/ Hybrid cooler (no OC)
GPU Core: 1898 MHz
GPU Memory: 1376 MHz

Score: 20164
3DMark Link: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/28841819?

 

Turns out PCIe 2.0 isn't useless!

 

-snip-

Nice! My poor X5675 is currently sitting at boring old stock along with an old GTX 660... But hey, got Linux Mint installed and if I can get Destiny 2 working somehow without a massive performance hit I may swap my main rig over to linux for good.

[Ashleyyyy]

does anyone know how i can overclock the X5650's i have?

 

my motherboard is an ASUS Z8PE-D18. my X5650's are currently sitting at 2.9ghz, and even that isn't always stable. it is also the max that this board allows me to set.

[Slayer3032]

That's a workstation board, they don't support overclocking. The only dual socket 1366 board that supports overclocking AFAIK is the EVGA SR2.

 

SetFSB and ThrottleStop are two ways you can potentially overclock it but those require motherboards to have certain chips on them and even then I don't think you can't change the voltage. I would troubleshoot out what exactly is causing it and try disabling turbo, c-states and some other stuff individually until you can figure out why it isn't stable.

[Intelfreak]

Not much has change since i last visited this thread, but i do have made one change. All fans accept a few has been converted from voltage control to real PWM control. I replaced 2 of the 3 old fan controllers from NZXT to a 1 Aqua Computer Aquaero 6 XT fan controller with PWM support and are you crazy PWM is awesome over voltage control. I am so done with voltage control now. All throw i keep one of the NXZT controllers for the last volt controlled fans i have in it.

 

Not much has chnage inside my pc, that still looks like this.

The old controllers installed.

Here it is with the new controller and one NXZT left in it.

On ‎9‎/‎26‎/‎2018 at 4:12 AM, bimmerman said:

Just installed the 1080ti, figured I'd share.

 

CPU: Xeon X5675 @ 4.51 GHz (21x215)

RAM: 24GB @1720 MHz
GPU: 1080ti FE w/ Hybrid cooler (no OC)
GPU Core: 1898 MHz
GPU Memory: 1376 MHz

Score: 20164
3DMark Link: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/28841819?

 

Turns out PCIe 2.0 isn't useless!

 

 

So you also have a GTX 1080 TI now. Welcome to the club of X58 with 1080 TI, its a rare breed, but a nice breed in deed.

Here is my system overclock off cause. Overclock your 1080 TI. That will bring your score higher up.

 

Some asked for how a single 6 core cpu performed in Cinebench R15. So here are mine at stock, 4.42 GHz and 4.75 GHz.

 

Improperly not gonna do much more to my X58 system now. Cause i really has done it all now i think. I have M.2 NVMe SSD, big game SSD, great cooling setup, powerfull GPU, sata 3, USB 3.0, 6 core CPU clock in at a decent speed and so on. I really cant think of much more to do now with my old system and RGB/LED is not my thing.

[bimmerman]

@Intelfreak Thanks! I'm definitely going to give it a go at OCing the 1080ti. It's a Hybrid-ized founders card, so should be able to do something. Also, 1.5V for 4.7 GHz?!?

 

Current project is getting the 950 Pro installed, then Windows 10 installed, then OC tweaking stuff.

 

I keep trying to come up with reasons to move away from X58 and keep failing. Sure, PCIe2 isn't great, but having all the PCIe lanes means we can just add in USB/Sata/NVMe stuff and keep the platform relevant-ish even longer.

 

Definitely glad I splurged for the system back in 2010. There isn't much left from the original build at this point, but man....what a long-lived platform that's still relevant enough.

[Crunchy Dragon]

1 minute ago, bimmerman said:

PCIe2 isn't grea

PCIe Gen2 x16 is equal to PCIe Gen3 x8 if I recall correctly.

 

Most cards don't have bandwidth trouble until they go down to Gen3 x4. PCIe Gen2 may not be "the most relevant", but it's still perfectly capable.

[NoxiousOdor]

Just now, bimmerman said:

@Intelfreak Thanks! I'm definitely going to give it a go at OCing the 1080ti. It's a Hybrid-ized founders card, so should be able to do something.

 

Current project is getting the 950 Pro installed, then Windows 10 installed, then OC tweaking stuff.

 

I keep trying to come up with reasons to move away from X58 and keep failing. Sure, PCIe2 isn't great, but having all the PCIe lanes means we can just add in USB/Sata/NVMe stuff and keep the platform relevant-ish even longer.

 

Definitely glad I splurged for the system back in 2010. There isn't much left from the original build at this point, but man....what a long-lived platform that's still relevant enough.

You could always get an SR-2 and join me in the dual socket realm. You would get to try overclocking both cpus and you would have all the pcie lanes you could want because you actually get twice as much as normal. Also you could firgure out all the quirks that I don't understand and then help me when I don't know what I am doing.

[bimmerman]

4 minutes ago, WhisperingKnickers said:

You could always get an SR-2 and join me in the dual socket realm. You would get to try overclocking both cpus and you would have all the pcie lanes you could want because you actually get twice as much as normal. Also you could firgure out all the quirks that I don't understand and then help me when I don't know what I am doing.

 

la la la la la can't hear you la la la la la I totally don't have 3 SR-2 auctions on my watch list la la la la la

if cases were easy to come by I'd have done the dumb thing already.

[Crunchy Dragon]

1 minute ago, WhisperingKnickers said:

You could always get an SR-2 and join me in the dual socket realm. You would get to try overclocking both cpus and you would have all the pcie lanes you could want because you actually get twice as much as normal. Also you could firgure out all the quirks that I don't understand and then help me when I don't know what I am doing.

I've got an Athlon MP workstation, I'm down to join you in Dual Socket Land 

[NoxiousOdor]

9 minutes ago, bimmerman said:

 

la la la la la can't hear you la la la la la I totally don't have 3 SR-2 auctions on my watch list la la la la la

if cases were easy to come by I'd have done the dumb thing already.

I suppose I shouldn't tell you that an NZXT S340 only needs minor mods to fit one. Or that most EATX compatible cases will also work

 

Though I would highly recommend getting a proper big case, I modded a Lian-Li PC-08 and it worked but it was not easy to get everything to fit.