General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

[MaratM]

Work in progress fully watercooled x58 rig

 

[NoxiousOdor]

3 hours ago, MaratM said:

Work in progress fully watercooled x58 rig

 

That is super cool nice job!

 

It makes me want to finish my build that has been taking forever

[Xa3phod]

OK, here it is. Stable at 4.62Ghz. What do you think? Any suggestions concerning memory timing, etc?

This thing is quite a beast for being 7 or 8 years old. It should outgun ryzen 5's and it runs a photo finish to my 6700K on multi threaded test. Single core just isn't nearly as good though, but better than my old 2500K which was overclocked.

 

 

 CPU Name
Intel® Xeon® CPU X5670 @ 2.93GHz
Threading
1 CPU - 6 Core - 12 Threads
Frequency
4620.19 MHz (24 * 192.51 MHz) - Uncore: 3272.6 MHz
Multiplier
Current: 24 / Min: 12 / Max: 25
Architecture
Westmere-EP / Stepping: B1 / Technology: 32 nm
CPUID / Ext.
6.C.2 / 6.2C
IA Extensions
MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, EM64T, VT-x, AES
Caches
L1D : 32 KB / L2 : 256 KB / L3 : 12288 KB
Caches Assoc.
L1D : 8-way / L2 : 8-way / L3 : 16-way
Microcode
Rev. 0x14
TDP / Vcore
95 Watts / 1.384 Volts
Temperature
80 °C / 176 °F
Type
Retail (Stock Frequency : 2933 MHz)
Motherboard
Model
Asus Rampage III Formula
Socket
Socket 1366 LGA
North Bridge
Intel X58 rev 13
South Bridge
Intel 82801JR (ICH10R) rev 00
BIOS
American Megatrends Inc. 0903 (09/20/2011)
Memory (RAM)
Total Size
24576 MB
Type
Triple Channel (192 bit) DDR3-SDRAM
Frequency
769.9 MHz (DDR3-1540) - Ratio 2:8
Timings
10-11-11-28-2 (tCAS-tRC-tRP-tRAS-tCR)
Slot #1 Module
Corsair 8192 MB (DDR3-1600) - XMP 1.3 - P/N: CMZ16GX3M2A1600C10
Slot #2 Module
Corsair 8192 MB (DDR3-1600) - XMP 1.3 - P/N: CMZ16GX3M2A1600C10
Slot #3 Module
Corsair 8192 MB (DDR3-1600) - XMP 1.3 - P/N: CMZ16GX3M2A1600C10

 

 

 

[NoxiousOdor]

@Xa3phod 4.6! Very nice! What was it you are cooling it with?

[Zando_]

15 minutes ago, WhisperingKnickers said:

@Xa3phod 4.6! Very nice! What was it you are cooling it with?

Ice dragon breath of course. 

[Xa3phod]

22 minutes ago, WhisperingKnickers said:

@Xa3phod 4.6! Very nice! What was it you are cooling it with?

Cooler Master MasterLiquid Lite 240 AIO . It's cheap and the temp never got over 80C. It's not 100% stable, but its pretty close. Need to fine adjust the voltages. You think 1.4 is too high or can I go higher? Also, I'm no scholar on overclocking ram. I think there is headroom for a completely stable 4.7Ghz. Just need to learn more about all those weird settings.

 

[Zando_]

39 minutes ago, Xa3phod said:

Cooler Master MasterLiquid Lite 240 AIO . It's cheap and the temp never got over 80C. It's not 100% stable, but its pretty close. Need to fine adjust the voltages. You think 1.4 is too high or can I go higher? Also, I'm no scholar on overclocking ram. I think there is headroom for a completely stable 4.7Ghz. Just need to learn more about all those weird settings.

 

I know you can push 1.4V on newer Intel CPUs, thought above 1.36-7 isn't recommended for daily use. I'd say you could push a bit more on your Xeon for benchmarking though, since replacements are pretty dang cheap. 

[bimmerman]

Nice job! I've gotten 4.7 to work but not long-term stable. 4.6 is, for me.

 

I saw zero gain with overclocking ram. I managed to get it to 2000 MHz but the memory controller stopped recognizing all the dimms above that. After seeing zero gain I went back to a more normal x8 multiplier.

[Ground]

@Xa3phod

you could always up the BCLK to a nice round 200 MHz and only use the 23x multiplier - that should give you at least flat 1600 MHz on the ram. You can probably tighten timings a fair amount, I've gone from 1330 7-9-8-21 to 1800 7-10-9-12 on my daily, though the difference between stock and that is quite minimal (I've gained maybe 30 points in cinebench going from 1330 to 1800). Raising the uncore might also help. For comparison, my CPU-z: http://valid.x86.fr/nsl89m

 

For daily I wouldn't go above 1.4V even with good cooling (I'm also sitting in the high 70s - low 80s on my E5649 with 1.36V under load (vdroop)). I haven't done much testing (don't have the time to run stuff long time at higher voltages) though, but at about 1.4V I haven't seen any degradation.

For benching at ambient 1.5V should be fine if its just for a couple hours and properly cooled. If you only have a couple cores active 1.6V is also fine (2 cores at 1.6V are at around ~55C with a big air cooler). For max frequency I wouldn't go beyond that - my good E5640 went from 4.8 at 1.4V to 4.4 at 1.4V from a 5 minute max frequency run - so don't run that much voltage at ambient at all

[Automobili3XF]

Has anybody here ever dealt with Xeons on OEM Hewlett Packard (HP) X58 motherboards?

I happened to find one at random on a local website for a decent price, its standard ATX so it should fit any case, but i'm wondering how it deals with Xeons, i have an i7-930 around and that's about it, i'm worried that i'm going to get it and its not going to work with a chinese Xeon.

 

Infos i could find on it:

Part number: 586968-001 

Series of computers it came with: Workstation Z400

Original CPU: i7-920 

it looks like this:

 

[Zando_]

1 hour ago, Chevy_Monsenhor said:

Has anybody here ever dealt with Xeons on OEM Hewlett Packard (HP) X58 motherboards?

I happened to find one at random on a local website for a decent price, its standard ATX so it should fit any case, but i'm wondering how it deals with Xeons, i have an i7-930 around and that's about it, i'm worried that i'm going to get it and its not going to work with a chinese Xeon.

 

Infos i could find on it:

Part number: 586968-001 

Series of computers it came with: Workstation Z400

Original CPU: i7-920 

it looks like this:

 

Should do fine with a quad core Xeon, you could try putting a 6 core in it and then keep an eye on VRM temps and stability. Though if there's another version of this PC with a 6 core option then the mobo should be fine for all the Xeons. 

[Automobili3XF]

2 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Should do fine with a quad core Xeon, you could try putting a 6 core in it and then keep an eye on VRM temps and stability. Though if there's another version of this PC with a 6 core option then the mobo should be fine for all the Xeons. 

I wonder if its compatible with an X5675 at all, perhaps? 

 

[Automobili3XF]

Apparently somebody did it already, hmm

 

[Pasi123]

16 hours ago, Chevy_Monsenhor said:

Has anybody here ever dealt with Xeons on OEM Hewlett Packard (HP) X58 motherboards?

I happened to find one at random on a local website for a decent price, its standard ATX so it should fit any case, but i'm wondering how it deals with Xeons, i have an i7-930 around and that's about it, i'm worried that i'm going to get it and its not going to work with a chinese Xeon.

 

Infos i could find on it:

Part number: 586968-001 

Series of computers it came with: Workstation Z400

Original CPU: i7-920 

it looks like this:

 

I have two HP Z400's. Ones with 6 ram slots (HP 0B4Ch motherboard) does support 6 core Xeons. I had my X5670 on one before I got my P6X58D-E. It should support up to W3690/X5690.

But if you want to build it in different case and use standard ATX PSU you need adapter for it.

https://www.moddiy.com/products/ATX-to-HP-Z400-24%2dPin-Non%2dStandard-ATX-Pinout-Main-Power-Adapter-Cable.html

[Xkillerpn]

Hi, I need some help please. I have a FX 8150 4.7oc with a Asus Corsair v formula z and 16g of team 2400 ram, will a i7 990x (will of) with a rampage 2 extreme be an upgrade with the same ram, for about 75€?? My house is a rx 580 with 1500 core oc. 

 

Thanks, regards.

[Pasi123]

12 minutes ago, Xkillerpn said:

Hi, I need some help please. I have a FX 8150 4.7oc with a Asus Corsair v formula z and 16g of team 2400 ram, will a i7 990x (will of) with a rampage 2 extreme be an upgrade with the same ram, for about 75€?? My house is a rx 580 with 1500 core oc. 

 

Thanks, regards.

Yes, i7-990X would be a big upgrade from the FX-8150 in both single and multi-core performance.

[Automobili3XF]

1 hour ago, Pasi123 said:

I have two HP Z400's. Ones with 6 ram slots (HP 0B4Ch motherboard) does support 6 core Xeons. I had my X5670 on one before I got my P6X58D-E. It should support up to W3690/X5690.

But if you want to build it in different case and use standard ATX PSU you need adapter for it.

https://www.moddiy.com/products/ATX-to-HP-Z400-24%2dPin-Non%2dStandard-ATX-Pinout-Main-Power-Adapter-Cable.html

Somehow the case i'm planning to put the system in has drilled holes for HP and Dell mobos, it should fit, but its good to know about the connector.

Also, can you overclock the CPUs in them? 

[Pasi123]

6 minutes ago, Chevy_Monsenhor said:

Somehow the case i'm planning to put the system in has drilled holes for HP and Dell mobos, it should fit, but its good to know about the connector.

Also, can you overclock the CPUs in them? 

I've heard can overclock it a bit with SetFSB, but I've never tried it myself. I have a Xeon X5677 @ stock (X5690 but with only 4c/8t) on my 6-dimm HP Z400.

[Ground]

Finally binned my new batch of E8640s. Got a pair of really nice ones:

first one: 265 bclk max, r15 runs at 4.78 GHz with 1.4V, Uncore does 4100 at 1.4V QPI, RAM maxes out at 1940. 

second one: 270 bclk max, r15 runs at 4.74 GHz with 1.4V, Uncore does 3800 at 1.4V QPI, RAM maxes out at 1940 too. Looking forward for more stuff with these two

[Slayer3032]

Original X58 owner here, still using it daily. Wish I found out about these Xeons years ago since my Nehalem was a total dud that eventually degraded below 3.8ghz. It's been a slowly evolving build since I bought it new. This is my everything build, it's been used heavily it's entire life and even seen a couple power supplies die in it and so many fans I've entirely lost count.

 

Here's what it resembles now, I suppose there's not a ton  left from the original build but it's become more of a used parts junk heap that still swings hard at any newer build.

 

 

So pretty much every upgrade in this thing was bought because it was dirt cheap, the X5675 was $25, half the 12gb of ram is $18 shipped worth of Samsung ECC 1333mhz. The 1080 was EVGA's $299.99 B-Stock deal for a Gaming SC non-LED, which for some reason has a SC2 backplate and LED's. Seasonic Focus+ 850w was $79.99 to replace a free 12 year old Toughpower 750w. The Corsair 450D was $46 on an Amazon Lightning deal. I paid $400-500 for 6gb of ram and the motherboard which I later found out there was a rev. 2 board for the same price that I should have been sent with better vrm. So after getting a dud of an i7-930 that only did 4ghz for a few days before never again posting at 4ghz, I've focused on nothing but getting deals for this thing.

 

When ram and video cards were really expensive, this thing really hurt feelings when I would tell people things like I have a spare cpu for this thing sitting in a bowl with my flash drives right after they dropped over $1000 on a build and got lower numbers compared to old stuff that's getting tossed out. I nearly went Ryzen but at $400-500, a $24 X5660 impulse buy made me fall in love with this thing again while matching and/or exceeding the hardware I was looking at.

 

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/16132976

 

GA-X58A-UD5 (Rev.1)

Xeon X5675(23x200@1.385v)

3x2gb Samsung ECC Unbuffered and 3x2gb G.Skill Pi Series (1600mhz@8-8-8-20-1T)

EVGA GTX 1080 Gaming SC(2000mhz(+0mhz) stock boost clock and +500mhz memory)

 

While I love this thing, the little nuances can be ridiculous. Like I had to patch in all new microcodes since Gigabyte only offered broken hexcore microcodes for this board revision and the Beta bios's are insanely unstable, require Windows 7 to be flashed and don't even have updated microcodes anyways. I still get some random restarts but they're insanely inconsistent which I wonder if at this point they might be power saving related which I'd rather keep and suffer a restart once a couple times a month. I've also found out that every fan header on the motherboard just runs fans at either 100%, 75% or 50% at random based on which header it is and only the CPU 4pin does PWM control despite having another 4pin. So I got a swiftech fan hub and went all Noctua since my NH-D14's 120mm fan survived 8 years of 100% while this motherboard has worn out at least 10 other 120mm fans in that same timespan.

 

Now I'm thinking I need a nice little workstation/server to stuff the spare X5660 into along with all my current spinning disks and put a large NVMe into this thing. Those black PCB 4GB 1866mhz Mac Pro memory sticks might also be calling my name if I do that. I'm hesitant though since if this thing decides it's lived long enough. The NVMe though would be an investment for a new platform if one was ever needed.

[NoxiousOdor]

@Slayer3032 Your computer is a testament to why x58 truly is the master race among platforms. Reading your post was awesome

[Crunchy Dragon]

18 minutes ago, Slayer3032 said:

-big snip-

That post was a joy to read. Is that a 750D Airflow I spy?

 

Sometime, I would like to build an X58 system, but boards are a real challenge to find.

[bimmerman]

@Slayer3032 That's awesome! I'm also an original X58 owner, now upgraded to X5675 (also at 4.6) + R9 290. I keep looking at the new shiny and none of it, GPU aside, is really compelling enough to upgrade platform.

 

I don't intend to get rid of this system anytime soon. Probably should go with newer windows and GPU, but that's about it.

[Slayer3032]

15 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

That post was a joy to read. Is that a 750D Airflow I spy?

 

Sometime, I would like to build an X58 system, but boards are a real challenge to find.

Nah, It's only a 450D. I kind of wanted a 750D but after having a 1st gen Antec 900 I just wanted something of a decent size, simple, clean and nice to build in. I never needed the extra space of the full tower, I've always had tons of disks but I feel like it's not very used until you add some radiators and reservoirs. The NH-D14 keeps this thing under 75c at all times during normal use anyways and I'd have to go full custom loop. I waited like a year for the deal that I got on this 450D, it just wouldn't go on sale below $85 and the one time it did, I missed it. Slickdeals alert popped in the middle of a csgo match and I just happened to pick up my phone and check the email. It was only minutes before the lightning deal was over, between the time it took to enter my new card info it went from 43% used up to 96% and was over after I checked out. Probably got the last one. Turns out it was for $57, not 46 like I said previously though.

 

Deals on X58 are hard to come by, the cheapest way I've found to get a board is to ask around and find people who had one and see if they still have it. They seem to get kicked around families and friends for a while and end up with someone who was just given it and no longer uses it. I've been trying to find a cheap workstation for about a year and haven't found any deals I can't pass up, or they're well over 100 miles away for like $300 and way more. Memory and CPU's can make up the extra cost of the motherboard, sometimes. I kinda wish I grabbed an assorted box of ECC unbuffered DDR3 dimms for $20 locally but I really don't have a purpose for them at all lol.

 

I had a R9 280 in this and originally a 5870, AMD kept shipping drivers that would break whatever game I had literally just bought and would unbreak the game I finally stopped playing because the drivers broke it. The entire lack of linux drivers, lack of freesync on a GPU release two years after freesync and newer titles were what really made me look to the 10 series. Not that you can even buy AMD cards for under MSRP on like 3 year old cards. Luckily though you don't have GCN 1 so you won't have any of the issues I did.

 

I've seen some crazy good deals on 970's lately but everything is crazy overpriced now, it takes a good bit of effort to just get a higher end video card and not overpay.

[bimmerman]

I originally had two 5870s in crossfire on my X58. It....kinda sorta worked sometimes maybe.

 

The R9 290 has been rock solid since upgrading to it though. No driver issues that I remember, just solid.