General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

[Zando_]

5 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Get a bendy boi SLI bridge and give me your money.

B-But muh aesthetics...

I'm totally not planning to overspend on red/black custom length @CableMod cables with the aluminum combs once I get the measurements down, purely because they look pretty and it'll let me take my cable management to 13/10

[Zando_]

Also double post time, goodies came in:
 

NF-A14 iPPC 3000 PWMs, 5 of these lads:

Replacing these stock fans:

 

Phanteks fan controller that turned out to be magnetic, which is fucking dope because this is a steel case:

 

And 2 of these gorgeous anodized aluminum GPU support braces, that are perfect as fit and finish goes, defo impressive for the $11 or so price tag:

[bimmerman]

So, I have a backup plan if the VM idea won't work due to SR-2 wonkiness: https://www.ebay.com/itm/SuperMicro-X8DTG-QF-REV-2-01-Motherboard-W-2x-Intel-X5670-48GB-Reg-RAM/274210607567

 

Supermicro's 4 GPU board.

 

Upsides of this over the SR-2: more memory support, native and advertised virtualization support, 2x 2.0x4, 1x 1.0x4 electrical PCIe slots not blocked by GPU. Also, onboard video for VM/host management
Downsides: cost, 11 slots so RIP cases, no overclocking so RIP FPS maybe?, no native sata3 or usb3.

 

We shall see if I need to go this route. At that cost I'm wondering if it's better to go in on a newer platform, but X58 is life and goddamn the SR-2 is a cool weirdo.

[Zando_]

2 minutes ago, bimmerman said:

So, I have a backup plan if the VM idea won't work due to SR-2 wonkiness: https://www.ebay.com/itm/SuperMicro-X8DTG-QF-REV-2-01-Motherboard-W-2x-Intel-X5670-48GB-Reg-RAM/274210607567

 

Supermicro's 4 GPU board.

 

Upsides of this over the SR-2: more memory support, native and advertised virtualization support, 2x 2.0x4, 1x 1.0x4 electrical PCIe slots not blocked by GPU. Also, onboard video for VM/host management
Downsides: cost, 11 slots so RIP cases, no overclocking so RIP FPS maybe?, no native sata3 or usb3.

 

We shall see if I need to go this route. At that cost I'm wondering if it's better to go in on a newer platform, but X58 is life and goddamn the SR-2 is a cool weirdo.

Ooooooo yeah the top end Supermicro boards are pretty badass too. Just.. focused on actual server stuff instead of GiGaHeRtZ like the SR-2 lol, whether that's a terrible thing or not depends on what you want. I'm pretty sure the SR-2 is also a RIP cases board, dat HPTX form factor be hella funky

SR-2 does have a still unmatched e-peen though

aLsO AcHuAlLy tHe Sr-2 iS iNtEl 5520 aNd NoT x58 

[bimmerman]

8 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Ooooooo yeah the top end Supermicro boards are pretty badass too. Just.. focused on actual server stuff instead of GiGaHeRtZ like the SR-2 lol, whether that's a terrible thing or not depends on what you want. I'm pretty sure the SR-2 is also a RIP cases board, dat HPTX form factor be hella funky

SR-2 does have a still unmatched e-peen though

aLsO AcHuAlLy tHe Sr-2 iS iNtEl 5520 aNd NoT x58 

bUt Is OnLy SiNgLe 5520!

 

hahaha. yea, that Supermicro board would be pretty sweet. It's as weird as the SR-2 form factor wise though-- 15 x 13.5. Basically a 90 degree rotated SR-2 for all dem slotz.

 

Really depends on whether the SR-2's weird PCIe routing (due to only one 5520 and old-school SLI multiplexer reqs) breaks virtualization or is work-around-able or is just not an issue 10 years later. That's a hopefully-this-weekend item.

 

I did find the SM board in its original case. It came in a beast-tier rig back in the day-- dual 1400W PSUs, wired for quad Tesla/fermis for gpu computation, wired Sata backplane with hotswap....pretty neat computer. Couple on ebay with 192 GB of ram, just need better processors. And GPUs. Aaaaand......

 

I'm still going to do my watercooled SR-2 build regardless of VMs. I've wanted it for too long. It just might not be the ultimate multi-gamer-cpu-thing.

[GrockleTD]

apparently Biostar is going to be manufacturing brand new H61 motherboards... could be an interesting option to get started with some of the i7 SKU's of the era

[Crunchy Dragon]

1 minute ago, GrockleTD said:

apparently Biostar is going to be manufacturing brand new H61 motherboards... could be an interesting option to get started with some of the i7 SKU's of the era

H61, that's Sandy/Ivy Bridge, right? 2700K/3770K?

Might be interesting.

 

On another note, it's been decided: I'm taking a huge step back to a 3570K until I get my hands on a new X99 board.

[GrockleTD]

1 hour ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

H61, that's Sandy/Ivy Bridge, right? 2700K/3770K?

Might be interesting.

yup, sandybridge.

[Crunchy Dragon]

Just now, GrockleTD said:

yup, sandybridge.

Long Live Sandy Bridge.

 

You gonna get a CPU to match it, or just the motherboard as a wall decoration?

[GrockleTD]

Just now, Crunchy Dragon said:

Long Live Sandy Bridge.

 

You gonna get a CPU to match it, or just the motherboard as a wall decoration?

ehhh thinking about it, could be fun if i find a decent chip for cheap, could be good as a PC for a gift for friends or family.

[Crunchy Dragon]

1 minute ago, GrockleTD said:

ehhh thinking about it, could be fun if i find a decent chip for cheap, could be good as a PC for a gift for friends or family.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=i7+2700k&_sacat=0&rt=nc&LH_BIN=1

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313.TR5.TRC2.A0.H1.Xi7+2600k.TRS0&_nkw=i7+2600k&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=0&_odkw=i7+2700k&LH_BIN=1&rt=nc

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313.TR6.TRC2.A0.H0.Xi5+2500k.TRS0&_nkw=i5+2500k&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=0&_odkw=i7+2600k&LH_BIN=1

[Crunchy Dragon]

Oh yeah, I found X299 motherboards cheaper than X99 during my search for a motherboard.

If I could afford a CPU, I honestly would have seriously considered stepping up to that level.

 

In any case, I've sourced a new X99 board that should be here in just about a week. Hopefully that's the only part I need to replace. If not, my backup Z77 hardware should be here soon-ish.

[bimmerman]

39 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Oh yeah, I found X299 motherboards cheaper than X99 during my search for a motherboard.

If I could afford a CPU, I honestly would have seriously considered stepping up to that level.

 

In any case, I've sourced a new X99 board that should be here in just about a week. Hopefully that's the only part I need to replace. If not, my backup Z77 hardware should be here soon-ish.

There's a not insignificant part of me that is thinking X299 + 10980 is a great deal right now for avx-512 enabled workloads. Expensive, sure, but actually pretty attractive if you can use the capability.... If you don't need the 18c it becomes substantially more attractive as well.

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, bimmerman said:

There's a not insignificant part of me that is thinking X299 + 10980 is a great deal right now for avx-512 enabled workloads. Expensive, sure, but actually pretty attractive if you can use the capability.... If you don't need the 18c it becomes substantially more attractive as well.

Yeah, X299 does have its place, that place has just shrunk a lot since TR, and then again since TR was actually able to compete on performance, not just price. 

For people who need AVX-512, a low latency HEDT platform, are hardcore OCers, or are strange people who game on HEDT for some reason (guilty), they still slap. According to guys who run it, well tuned chips can match/beat the 9900K in games, and they'll likely be a bit snappier in many titles than the TRs, while also coming in cheaper than even the lowest TR3000 SKU. 

Does output buttloads of heat when OCed, but I think HEDT enthusiasts are used to that at this point, it's mostly newer users or people who don't even use HEDT I've seen complain about it. Power consumption is also large, but that's normal across all HEDT it seems (32c TRs will eat 500-600W with PBO on, I assume the 24c/older 16c ones eat a bit less than that but still a lot). 

 

47 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

I've sourced a new X99 board

What board

[bimmerman]

15 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Yeah, X299 does have its place, that place has just shrunk a lot since TR, and then again since TR was actually able to compete on performance, not just price. 

For people who need AVX-512, a low latency HEDT platform, are hardcore OCers, or are strange people who game on HEDT for some reason (guilty), they still slap. According to guys who run it, well tuned chips can match/beat the 9900K in games, and they'll likely be a bit snappier in many titles than the TRs, while also coming in cheaper than even the lowest TR3000 SKU. 

Does output buttloads of heat when OCed, but I think HEDT enthusiasts are used to that at this point, it's mostly newer users or people who don't even use HEDT I've seen complain about it. Power consumption is also large, but that's normal across all HEDT it seems (32c TRs will eat 500-600W with PBO on, I assume the 24c/older 16c ones eat a bit less than that but still a lot). 

 

What board

i'm fully in team 'oh my power bill went up by $4 this month? huh, neat'

 

although last lan-year's-eve party had a BIG spike in energy consumption. Was hilarious seeing the day by day bill-- meh meh meh NYEHOLYSHIT 5x NOMINAL meh meh meh. Still was an added...$5, maybe, despite having 16 hours of 4+ inefficient rigs going flatout plus consoles plus tvs. Whole lotta dgaf about power consumption after that.

[Zando_]

7 minutes ago, bimmerman said:

i'm fully in team 'oh my power bill went up by $4 this month? huh, neat'

 

although last lan-year's-eve party had a BIG spike in energy consumption. Was hilarious seeing the day by day bill-- meh meh meh NYEHOLYSHIT 5x NOMINAL meh meh meh. Still was an added...$5, maybe, despite having 16 hours of 4+ inefficient rigs going flatout plus consoles plus tvs. Whole lotta dgaf about power consumption after that.

It baffles some people lol, guy on discord the other day couldn't understand why I'd run a CPU pulling over twice the power while being slower than a 3950X. Ez answer for me, I have more fun with this one

 

Even with the horrifyingly inefficient rigs I run, I only ever saw a large increase in my power bill during Folding Month. Went from around $130 or so most of the time to IIRC $200. Running a 1660 Ti and 1050 Ti 24/7, and a Radeon VII most of the time when I wasn't gaming. My current rigs I only run when I'm actually using them or doing stress testing, so though they may pull a lot of power (my 780s should pull around 450W at stock ), it's not for extended periods, and given the low power cost here it takes a damn good while for anything to add up. 

The main annoyance is needing more PSUs and bigger cases. Main thing in the way of a possible SR-2 rig for me is needing another quality high-wattage PSU (I got my T2 on sale for $180, but that's a one-off, most of the time a comparable unit is around $400), and needing a massive case. 

[bimmerman]

1 hour ago, Zando Bob said:

It baffles some people lol, guy on discord the other day couldn't understand why I'd run a CPU pulling over twice the power while being slower than a 3950X. Ez answer for me, I have more fun with this one

 

Even with the horrifyingly inefficient rigs I run, I only ever saw a large increase in my power bill during Folding Month. Went from around $130 or so most of the time to IIRC $200. Running a 1660 Ti and 1050 Ti 24/7, and a Radeon VII most of the time when I wasn't gaming. My current rigs I only run when I'm actually using them or doing stress testing, so though they may pull a lot of power (my 780s should pull around 450W at stock ), it's not for extended periods, and given the low power cost here it takes a damn good while for anything to add up. 

The main annoyance is needing more PSUs and bigger cases. Main thing in the way of a possible SR-2 rig for me is needing another quality high-wattage PSU (I got my T2 on sale for $180, but that's a one-off, most of the time a comparable unit is around $400), and needing a massive case. 

ha, yea.....my Ax1600i was $450 iirc. It hurts, but on the other hand, now I'll never need a PSU ever again, so...win?

 

I don't use my rigs all that often so one that burns all the electrons doesn't matter if it's used twice a week for maybe 3hrs tops. Truth be told, I either use my work laptop or my ipad nowadays for most stuff, or my Ryzen rig for AI/programming work. The HEDT stuff is just for grins cuz it's cool and I have disposable income finally.

[Goodman2265]

On 2/22/2019 at 5:10 PM, vinyldash303 said:

Its cool. Was in a voice chat with someone. maybe @Goodman2265 ? while he was dice cooling something. It was a while ago. 

just logged back in, over 2 years since i been here. yeah i remember this. DICE cooling an AMD processor and getting stupid speeds on it

[Crunchy Dragon]

5 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

What board

X99-UD4.

 

Would have liked an X99-A or X99-A v2, but I can probably get away with not having to reinstall Windows if I get another Gigabyte board that's similar to my old one.

[Zando_]

X79 boyo up and running, have a sloppy 4.5Ghz all core but it's stable and not overheating so . I'll get to fine tuning it some other time, rn I just need it to run gambit in Destiny 2 at 60fps or higher and not BSOD on me . 

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[Crunchy Dragon]

1 hour ago, Zando Bob said:

 

X79 boyo up and running, have a sloppy 4.5Ghz all core but it's stable and not overheating so . I'll get to fine tuning it some other time, rn I just need it to run gambit in Destiny 2 at 60fps or higher and not BSOD on me . 

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Motherboard: EVGA X79 Dark EATX LGA2011 Motherboard  (Purchased For $150.00) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16 GB (4 x 4 GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  (Purchased For $50.00) 
Storage: Crucial MX500 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (Purchased For $107.99) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (Purchased For $60.00) 
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No chance of a used GTX 1070, huh?

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

No chance of a used GTX 1070, huh?

Of needing one? 

[GrockleTD]

1 hour ago, Zando Bob said:

 

*cri* your side build is cleaner than my main rig

[Zando_]

Just now, GrockleTD said:

*cri* your side build is cleaner than my main rig

Clean it up then 4head! Or pride yourself on the fact that no matter how bad it is, you still used the tweezers better than the Verge did

[GrockleTD]

3 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Clean it up then 4head! Or pride yourself on the fact that no matter how bad it is, you still used the tweezers better than the Verge did

Yes... I used those... definitely somewhere probably

 

Edit: also literally cleaner, as in, a distinct lack of dust