General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

[GrockleTD]

3 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

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[Crunchy Dragon]

1 minute ago, GrockleTD said:

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[GrockleTD]

1 minute ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

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[Guest]

3 hours ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Interesting. Anybody know what the diminishing return point is for a 7700K?

 

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5ghz or anything that needs 1.40v or more. (pretty much all 14nm are like this with a very small give or take.)

[GrockleTD]

for all yall looking for a case for your SR-2 

 

[bimmerman]

4 hours ago, GrockleTD said:

for all yall looking for a case for your SR-2 

 

lolololololol i think that video is convincing me of the exact opposite....

[m4shroom]

hello all .my board ex58-ud5  currently using 3x2gb corsair xms 3 1600 mhz ram.

I have found local deal 2x8 gb patroit viper ram dualkit

Does it fit to my board ? Is ıt good ? to use in triple channel maybe I add another one later .Or could you recommend me ram from aliexpress ?_? thx for your helps already..

 

[Donut Dan]

Does this count as HEDT? it's not actually X58 but it seems like it sort of fits the description of that type of hardware. I have my specs in my profile.

 

 

[Crunchy Dragon]

9 minutes ago, Donut Dan said:

Does this count as HEDT? it's not actually X58 but it seems like it sort of fits the description of that type of hardware. I have my specs in my profile.

-snip-

HP Z400 is technically Intel X58(actually it's 5520 but we don't discriminate). HEDT only means "High End Desktop".

 

Generally speaking, if it's an Intel server socket, it's fair game. LGA 771, 1366, 2011-1, 2011-3, 2066, 1567, so forth.

[Donut Dan]

Just now, Crunchy Dragon said:

HP Z400 is technically Intel X58(actually it's 5520 but we don't discriminate). HEDT only means "High End Desktop".

 

Generally speaking, if it's an Intel server socket, it's fair game. LGA 771, 1366, 2011-1, 2011-3, 2066, 1567, so forth.

well, I wouldn't really classify my PC as anything near "high end", but seems like this thread could help me get a little more out of my PC. Got any advice for squeezing any more out of this L5506?

[Crunchy Dragon]

1 minute ago, Donut Dan said:

well, I wouldn't really classify my PC as anything near "high end", but seems like this thread could help me get a little more out of my PC. Got any advice for squeezing any more out of this L5506?

If your board can overclock, that'll be your best option.

 

Otherwise, you could look around Ebay for an X5650 or another hexacore Xeon(assuming those are supported by your BIOS).

[Donut Dan]

Just now, Crunchy Dragon said:

If your board can overclock, that'll be your best option.

 

Otherwise, you could look around Ebay for an X5650 or another hexacore Xeon(assuming those are supported by your BIOS).

well, I hate to buy a CPU when I got this perfectly good one for free, but if you had to use a super cheap Xeon, and I mean, super cheap,what would you recommend?

[Crunchy Dragon]

3 minutes ago, Donut Dan said:

well, I hate to buy a CPU when I got this perfectly good one for free, but if you had to use a super cheap Xeon, and I mean, super cheap,what would you recommend?

An X5650 will run you around 15-20 USD usually(last I checked).

 

I don't recall enough of the 1366 Xeon SKUs off the top of my head, perhaps @Zando Bob can be of assistance.

[bimmerman]

Better question, how much do you want to spend and what are you looking to do? Is cheap ~$20 or $50 or $5?

 

I could be wrong but I doubt the HP Z400 allows for overclocking.

[Slayer3032]

53 minutes ago, Donut Dan said:

well, I hate to buy a CPU when I got this perfectly good one for free, but if you had to use a super cheap Xeon, and I mean, super cheap,what would you recommend?

If you're just trying to pinch for dollars and are shooting for insanely low cost there's a few cpus which are pretty interesting.

 

The E5649($7 and X5670($14) would probably be the best bang for your buck in hex core westmeres. There's also some quad core westmeres like the X5672($10) which should be pretty attractive at a lower TDP or if you're only shooting for the absolute highest fps in an older game.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-E5649-6-Core-2-53GHz-5-86GT-s-QPI-12MB-L3-Cache-Socket-LGA1366/193349070318

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-X5670-SLBV7-2-93GHz-LGA-1366-Socket-B-Six-Core-CPU-Processor/402161356209

 

Nehalem stuff is so cheap that the only real way to increase it's value is to drill a hole in it for a keyring and to sell it as a keychain. I think Nehalem and Westmere perform the same clock for clock so this W3565 might be a really good value if you're only shooting for FPS.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-SLBEV-Xeon-W3565-3-2GHz-8M-Socket-1366-4-Core-CPU-Processor-LGA1366/312607695766

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-Processor-X5550-SLBF5-8M-Cache-2-66-GHz-6-4-GT-s-FC-LGA-1366/273869165068

 

Your L5502 is pretty much among the worst in socket, $10 could really give you a huge bump in performance. Overall though the X5675 of course offers some of the best silicon for overclocking with enough multipliers so you can adjust them however your setup responds to the best.

 

[Zando_]

9 hours ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

An X5650 will run you around 15-20 USD usually(last I checked).

 

I don't recall enough of the 1366 Xeon SKUs off the top of my head, perhaps @Zando Bob can be of assistance.

X5650 - X5670 - X5675 - X5680 - X5690. There may have been an X5660 as well. The '50 is usually the cheapest, the '70 is a very good value, the '75 is usually the best for overclocking. They're not a noticeably worse bin than a '90, and the '90s are expensive and rare enough that IMO they should be left for people with locked chipsets such as 5520 boards (other than the SR-2) and 2009 Mac Pros.

There's a W series as well, I know of the W3670 (I have one), W3680 I think, and W3690. These aren't as good as the X series it seems, BUT the W3690 specifically can be used in boards that do not support westmere due to having... gulftown microcode IIRC. The W3670 is still a Westmere-EP microcode chip so it plain will not work unless the board supports Westmere-EP, in which case an X series CPU is usually better (confirmed this with my own sample on my V1.0 EVGA boards). The '90 is also cheaper than the i7s so if you need a gulftown/nehalem chip then it's a good choice.

All the Hexacores, both Xeons and i7s, are 32nm chips AFAIK, never seen a 45nm higher than 4 cores. Speaking of quad cores, E series Xeons are low power variants, I have a few quads from that line. They're extremely cheap, good throwaway chips if you just wanna blast voltage through them with no care for longevity, they're also 32nm chips.

The OG i7 quad cores are 45nm chips, which usually aren't the best overclockers. That's flipped totally on its head if you get a golden chip though, golden 45nm chips can crush the 32nm ones easily. I forget who it was here who figured that out, I think @Ground? One of the madlads whose gone through probably 100+ of these chips seeing how the bins are, I think we have a couple of them here .
 

[Donut Dan]

8 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

X5650 - X5670 - X5675 - X5680 - X5690. There may have been an X5660 as well. The '50 is usually the cheapest, the '70 is a very good value, the '75 is usually the best for overclocking. They're not a noticeably worse bin than a '90, and the '90s are expensive and rare enough that IMO they should be left for people with locked chipsets such as 5520 boards (other than the SR-2) and 2009 Mac Pros.

There's a W series as well, I know of the W3670 (I have one), W3680 I think, and W3690. These aren't as good as the X series it seems, BUT the W3690 specifically can be used in boards that do not support westmere due to having... gulftown microcode IIRC. The W3670 is still a Westmere-EP microcode chip so it plain will not work unless the board supports Westmere-EP, in which case an X series CPU is usually better (confirmed this with my own sample on my V1.0 EVGA boards). The '90 is also cheaper than the i7s so if you need a gulftown/nehalem chip then it's a good choice.

All the Hexacores, both Xeons and i7s, are 32nm chips AFAIK, never seen a 45nm higher than 4 cores. Speaking of quad cores, E series Xeons are low power variants, I have a few quads from that line. They're extremely cheap, good throwaway chips if you just wanna blast voltage through them with no care for longevity, they're also 32nm chips.

The OG i7 quad cores are 45nm chips, which usually aren't the best overclockers. That's flipped totally on its head if you get a golden chip though, golden 45nm chips can crush the 32nm ones easily. I forget who it was here who figured that out, I think @Ground? One of the madlads whose gone through probably 100+ of these chips seeing how the bins are, I think we have a couple of them here .
 

it sounds like those W xeons would be fine, if I'm reading this correctly from the HP support forum

"Evgeny, Z400 boards with 6 memory DIMMs support both 35xx, 55xx (Nehalem) and 36xx, 56xx (Westmere) processors.  The difference between the 3xxx and 5xxx processors is that the 5xxx have additional QPI links for dual processor configurations.  Some 3xxx processors have the same performance as the 5xxx processors.  The 36xx or 56xx series will have more performance than the older series.  Look at this benchmark page for a comparison between CPU performance.  However, processors with more cores score higher on these PassMark benchmarks - look up single thread performance if your applications are not multithreaded. 

 

The Z400 is a single CPU system, so the 5xxx processors might be more expensive than the similar 3xxx processor. "

 

so if I see one for a few bucks then do you think it's worth it?

[Crunchy Dragon]

1 minute ago, Donut Dan said:

so if I see one for a few bucks then do you think it's worth it?

Yup.

[Zando_]

2 minutes ago, Donut Dan said:

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Yee. If you cannot OC, go for a '70 or higher tier CPU in the W/X series, they're usually the ones with a 3.06Ghz or higher base clock. Anything much below 3Ghz nowadays can be rather painful. If you can BLCK OC, then an X5650 is a damn good value, they'll typically do 4, maybe 4.2Ghz without too much work, and that's the sweet spot for these chips most of the time.

[Donut Dan]

2 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Yee. If you cannot OC, go for a '70 or higher tier CPU in the W/X series, they're usually the ones with a 3.06Ghz or higher base clock. Anything much below 3Ghz nowadays can be rather painful. If you can BLCK OC, then an X5650 is a damn good value, they'll typically do 4, maybe 4.2Ghz without too much work, and that's the sweet spot for these chips most of the time.

to be fair, my L5506 at 2.133 has made an impressive showing (in my opinion). I think I would be satisfied by a 2.600 boost or so, and something cheap with hyperthreading is sure to go a long way. Maybe that $3 X5550 I saw earlier is what I need, I'll see.

[Pasi123]

14 hours ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

HP Z400 is technically Intel X58(actually it's 5520 but we don't discriminate). HEDT only means "High End Desktop".

 

Generally speaking, if it's an Intel server socket, it's fair game. LGA 771, 1366, 2011-1, 2011-3, 2066, 1567, so forth.

  

14 hours ago, Donut Dan said:

Does this count as HEDT? it's not actually X58 but it seems like it sort of fits the description of that type of hardware. I have my specs in my profile.

 

HP Z400 actually is X58.

 

 

Only Xeon W3680 and W3690 can be overclocked on the Z400

[bimmerman]

Hoping to assemble my pile o' crap into more computer shaped pile o'crap today. Got another couple SSDs so I can get Unraid going, as well as another SSD to dual boot Windows/Linux for folding/using computer outside of unraid shenanigans.

 

@Zando Bob iirc you do folding? I'd like to get my sr-2 set up for it (see: covid-19) but am having trouble finding information on what GPUs are supported. Any suggestions for easy-to-parse resources? Mostly trying to figure out if my HD5870 will be supported or not; could do 3x AMD GPU that way. Also can't figure out if the F@H client can deal with NV + AMD cards all in the same system (i.e., no VM or passthrough). also....lots of questions. also RIP electric bill

[Zando_]

1 hour ago, bimmerman said:

Hoping to assemble my pile o' crap into more computer shaped pile o'crap today. Got another couple SSDs so I can get Unraid going, as well as another SSD to dual boot Windows/Linux for folding/using computer outside of unraid shenanigans.

 

@Zando Bob iirc you do folding? I'd like to get my sr-2 set up for it (see: covid-19) but am having trouble finding information on what GPUs are supported. Any suggestions for easy-to-parse resources? Mostly trying to figure out if my HD5870 will be supported or not; could do 3x AMD GPU that way. Also can't figure out if the F@H client can deal with NV + AMD cards all in the same system (i.e., no VM or passthrough). also....lots of questions. also RIP electric bill

I have in the past, haven't lately. IIRC anything GTX 700 series or newer is supported, IDK much about the AMD side though. Vega/Polaris work and Navi now works (it had issues), that's about all I know.

[GrockleTD]

1 hour ago, Zando Bob said:

I have in the past, haven't lately. IIRC anything GTX 700 series or newer is supported, IDK much about the AMD side though. Vega/Polaris work and Navi now works (it had issues), that's about all I know.

the main issue currently is that F@H servers are having issues with assigning WU's

[GrockleTD]

if anybody for some odd reason is seeking an x299 rig nowadays, there is a few motherboard options on ebay right now for roughly 120-140 US