Do "gaming" high hz monitor really make a difference in competitive gaming?

[jirehbobs]

Hello!

 

You guys have probably discussed this ad nauseam but here it goes.

 

Basically what the title says. In my other post, I'm looking to trade my IPS 60hz (OC'ed to 74hz) monitor to a TN 144hz one for $58, and I've already looked at all the pros and cons of such change in displays. 

 

So I guess my question is, from your personal experience, does it really make a difference in competitive gaming? Especially in FPS games (say same player skill, same everything except for 60-75fps vs 120-144fps). I mainly play rainbow six siege and my team plans on going competitive some time in the future. It would be nice to get an actual pro gamer insight but any inputs will be appreciated as I'm about to make a decision on whether or not to make the change.

 

Thanks!

[Princess Luna]

Yes and no.

 

Understand, it does provide advantage but this advantage can only be beneficial if you're "good" at the game already, go from 60hz to 144hz by itself doesn't make any one better in the game if they are not already "max out" in skill at 60hz.

[Axeonelite]

Yes... sorta.

 

It honestly depends on your reaction timing on your own. It will be better to look it without a doubt, but as far as your performance in competitive gaming. That only depends on your ability to react quickly.

 

Source: Me having played competitive CS:GO and LoL on Ultrawides @ 60 Hz, Standard monitors, and 144hz monitors. 

[hconverse02]

I play csgo at 60hz but around 180 fps, so I don't notice the input lag or refresh rate, but seeing a 144hz panel and just doing day-to-day operations on it, I know if makes a huge difference gaming at 180 fps on a 60hz vs a 144hz display

[Enderman]

5 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Yes and no.

 

Understand, it does provide advantage but this advantage can only be beneficial if you're "good" at the game already, go from 60hz to 144hz by itself doesn't make any one better in the game if they are not already "max out" in skill at 60hz.

Honestly it kinda does, even if you suck at a game you will still perform better on a 144Hz monitor than on a 60.

[jirehbobs]

4 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Yes and no.

 

Understand, it does provide advantage but this advantage can only be beneficial if you're "good" at the game already, go from 60hz to 144hz by itself doesn't make any one better in the game if they are not already "max out" in skill at 60hz.

Yes I understand the skill part. I guess what I meant to ask is that if both players have identical playing conditions (skill, internet connection, etc) except one has 60-75fps and one has 120-144fps, does the one with higher fps have an advantage especially in a straight up gunfight?

[minervx]

In cases between players of near-equal skill

[jirehbobs]

2 minutes ago, Enderman said:

Honestly it kinda does, even if you suck at a game you will still perform better on a 144Hz monitor than on a 60.

I guess thats a plus but I'm not even banking on that lol. 

 

[shadowbyte]

I'm not sure it increases skill, but 144hz feels soooo much nicer than 60hz, so I feel as if I'm slightly more accurate at a higher framerate.

[jirehbobs]

Hey appreciate the replies guys. 

 

Do you have any links of actual pro players thoughts on this topic? 

[Shiv78]

what GPU do you have? If it's not very powerful the 144Hz will be a waste. IMO 1070 is bare min for 100Hz+ @1080p good details on R6S

[jirehbobs]

Just now, Shiv78 said:

what GPU do you have? If it's not very powerful the 144Hz will be a waste. IMO 1070 is bare min for 100Hz+ @1080p good details on R6S

i have the 6gb msi 1060 gaming + i5 4690k that can oc up to 4.6. yes I do understand the hardware aspect of it and did some tests with settings. I realistically get 100-120 stable fps on mid-high settings, but I am willing to sacrifice eye candies for additional FPS if need be.

[johndms]

While this video doesn't fully relate to the topic, I find that some parts of it may be relevant.  Someone may find it informative.

 

[Ryujin2003]

16 minutes ago, Shiv78 said:

what GPU do you have? If it's not very powerful the 144Hz will be a waste. IMO 1070 is bare min for 100Hz+ @1080p good details on R6S

 

14 minutes ago, jirehbobs said:

i have the 6gb msi 1060 gaming + i5 4690k that can oc up to 4.6. yes I do understand the hardware aspect of it and did some tests with settings. I realistically get 100-120 stable fps on mid-high settings, but I am willing to sacrifice eye candies for additional FPS if need be.

I play on a 144hz panel on my RX 480, AMD have since upgraded to CF.  I don't notice much difference between 120 and 140, but even with some games at 45 to 60 feel much better.

 

Your hardware is totally fine for it. If you're in the need for speed, turning down AA generally helps too. I'd say go for it. I have been wanting to yourself my second screen to a 144hz panel since I got the first.

[D13H4RD]

You won’t play much better on a quick-response monitor with a high-refresh rate, but the experience in fast-paced action games will be smoother and there will be less graphics artifacts like ghosting.

 

Basically, a low-response time and high-refresh rate monitor tend to be preferred by competitive players because it gives a better overall experience, but do note that they have their pros and cons, such as TN being great for response times but viewing angles are not great.

 

I will say that experiencing a 120Hz monitor for the first time after being used to the 60Hz monitor on my ASUS is actually a bit of fresh air. Things just appear smoother.

[Not_Sean]

38 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Yes and no.

 

Understand, it does provide advantage but this advantage can only be beneficial if you're "good" at the game already, go from 60hz to 144hz by itself doesn't make any one better in the game if they are not already "max out" in skill at 60hz.

This is spot on,

 

As someone who used to play for a highly sponsored team for CS:GO (MSI,BenQ & CMStorm) it makes a massive difference, No it won't make you any better, but those moments  when you go "How the hell did he not die, I was right on him) watch it again on a 144Hz and you'll see you were off by small bits, Thats it right there. for me I noticed a massive increase in my accuracy on moving targets and the cross hair moved much smoother and I felt like I had much better control of it and my sprays. Thats what It felt like for me. 

 

Going back to 60Hz playing it feels like even if i'm getting the same FPS the game feels "Laggy" 

 

hope this helps. 

[jirehbobs]

2 minutes ago, D13H4RD2L1V3 said:

You won’t play much better on a quick-response monitor with a high-refresh rate, but the experience in fast-paced action games will be smoother and there will be less graphics artifacts like ghosting.

 

Basically, a low-response time and high-refresh rate monitor tend to be preferred by competitive players because it gives a better overall experience, but do note that they have their pros and cons, such as TN being great for response times but viewing angles are not great.

 

I will say that experiencing a 120Hz monitor for the first time after being used to the 60Hz monitor on my ASUS is actually a bit of fresh air. Things just appear smoother.

Oh yeah I've already looked at the pros and cons of going TN.

 

I currently game on 74fps and even then I can see the difference going from 60 to 74fps so I can just imagine the improvement going from 74 fps to 100, 120, or even 144 fps.

[jirehbobs]

24 minutes ago, Not_Sean said:

This is spot on,

 

As someone who used to play for a highly sponsored team for CS:GO (MSI,BenQ & CMStorm) it makes a massive difference, No it won't make you any better, but those moments  when you go "How the hell did he not die, I was right on him) watch it again on a 144Hz and you'll see you were off by small bits, Thats it right there. for me I noticed a massive increase in my accuracy on moving targets and the cross hair moved much smoother and I felt like I had much better control of it and my sprays. Thats what It felt like for me. 

 

Going back to 60Hz playing it feels like even if i'm getting the same FPS the game feels "Laggy" 

 

hope this helps. 

Oh yeah definitely helps. I'd like to think I'm at a pretty decent level when it comes to rainbow six siege, that's why I'm looking for any small advantages that can separate me from just the "good" players. Of course there are no shortcuts when it comes to skill but if I can get even a tiny advantage from the display, then why not right. But, I'm only gonna go for it IF there are any real advantages (which more and more now I'm believing that there is), hence this post.  

Edited September 14, 2017 by jirehbobs

[D13H4RD]

1 hour ago, Not_Sean said:

As someone who used to play for a highly sponsored team for CS:GO (MSI,BenQ & CMStorm) it makes a massive difference, No it won't make you any better, but those moments  when you go "How the hell did he not die, I was right on him) watch it again on a 144Hz and you'll see you were off by small bits, Thats it right there. for me I noticed a massive increase in my accuracy on moving targets and the cross hair moved much smoother and I felt like I had much better control of it and my sprays. Thats what It felt like for me. 

You nailed it.

 

High refresh rate monitors with low response times can be seen as a supplement to good skill. If you played well on a 60Hz monitor, you can enhance that a little with a better one. 

 

It won’t ever turn you from a noob to a pro, but if you played very well anyway, it will be a great asset.

[jirehbobs]

1 hour ago, Not_Sean said:

This is spot on,

 

As someone who used to play for a highly sponsored team for CS:GO (MSI,BenQ & CMStorm) it makes a massive difference, No it won't make you any better, but those moments  when you go "How the hell did he not die, I was right on him) watch it again on a 144Hz and you'll see you were off by small bits, Thats it right there. for me I noticed a massive increase in my accuracy on moving targets and the cross hair moved much smoother and I felt like I had much better control of it and my sprays. Thats what It felt like for me. 

 

Going back to 60Hz playing it feels like even if i'm getting the same FPS the game feels "Laggy" 

 

hope this helps. 

 

41 minutes ago, D13H4RD2L1V3 said:

You nailed it.

 

High refresh rate monitors with low response times can be seen as a supplement to good skill. If you played well on a 60Hz monitor, you can enhance that a little with a better one. 

 

It won’t ever turn you from a noob to a pro, but if you played very well anyway, it will be a great asset.

Thanks!

 

Was originally thinking that the additional money to get the 144hz monitor wasn't worth it, you guys just changed my mind.  

[vanished]

I find I can tell just moving my mouse is smoother on my 75 hz panel than my 60 hz, so yes you can see a difference.  I'd imagine this makes a big impact on your gaming ability, perhaps more so the better you are already, but I can't say for sure having never hat the opportunity to game on a high refresh panel (120 Hz+) - only play around on the desktop.

But no, just having "gaming" in the name doesn't make a difference, except perhaps in the pricetag  

[jirehbobs]

2 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

just having "gaming" in the name doesn't make a difference, except perhaps in the pricetag  

Lol I agree.

[James09]

Since the SCREEN is literally drawing more frame per second, assuming the same player skill, the person that has a higher refresh monitor would definitely have an edge over another opponent. But often it comes down in milliseconds but sometimes thats all that matters. If you have Gsync/Freesync enabled monitors that helps even more as the card and the monitor syncs up better. The math itself is beyond me but a head would be shown longer on a 120hz monitor than a 60hz monitor. 

[vanished]

13 minutes ago, James09 said:

Since the SCREEN is literally drawing more frame per second, assuming the same player skill, the person that has a higher refresh monitor would definitely have an edge over another opponent. But often it comes down in milliseconds but sometimes thats all that matters. If you have Gsync/Freesync enabled monitors that helps even more as the card and the monitor syncs up better. The math itself is beyond me but a head would be shown longer on a 120hz monitor than a 60hz monitor. 

I wonder which makes more difference, being able to see the opponent ~5 - 10 ms sooner, or the increased rate of feedback and the increased feeling of responsiveness this creates? (if you don't know what I mean just try using a mouse on a display with bad input lag, it's super difficult lol)  I would guess it's the latter.

[Not_Sean]

23 minutes ago, James09 said:

Since the SCREEN is literally drawing more frame per second, assuming the same player skill, the person that has a higher refresh monitor would definitely have an edge over another opponent. But often it comes down in milliseconds but sometimes thats all that matters. If you have Gsync/Freesync enabled monitors that helps even more as the card and the monitor syncs up better. The math itself is beyond me but a head would be shown longer on a 120hz monitor than a 60hz monitor. 

actually for these you don't want gsync or freesync, and non of the pro's use it ether. While sync will be awesome for AAA titles and give a nice smooth effect for competitive FPS you would rather have as many FPS as possible and let the 120/144Hz choose from the "Latest" one everytime it refreshed. your odds of getting every closer to real time is higher.. 

if you don't get what I mean watch this video:

 

@jirehbobs there isn't much difference from 120 to 144 so you can save a bit going for one of those instead as going from 60/75 to anything over 100 is what you want, another thing to remember if yuop don't feel like it made a big difference try this, keep playing on it for a week, than go back. going from 100+ back to 60 you notice it HUGELY