Buying a 1080 in Q3 2017 worth it ?

[Ya boii]

So currently my pc has no gpu. Just integrated graphics in my i7 6700k. I have a 165hz 1440p display, that i can't use to its full potential due to me not having a gpu. For about three days i was thinking of buying a 1080. But then i see all the sites saying "Volta will be awesome, It will destroy the current Pascal cars." And the other site is like " Vega will be chesper and it will have the same performance as the pascal cards, pascal is dead." Ok i might be a but over exaggarating, but that is kinda what yhey say. So know i wanned to ask if it is even worth buying a Pascal card this close to Vega and Volta ?

Sorry for the long post.

[DrMacintosh]

Volta is going to be a pascal die shrink from what I have heard so there won't be any real improvement probably. Vega will disrupt the market more than Volta. 

[PCGuy_5960]

Volta isn't coming soon. Vega performs like a 1080 and costs the same, but it draws WAY more power. 

 

Get the 1080

[Brooksie359]

2 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Volta is going to be a pascal die shrink from what I have heard so there won't be any real improvement probably. Vega will disrupt the market more than Volta. 

I mean it should be some improvement but not as much as pascal was compared to maxwell. if they had the ability to wait i would but as they don't have a gpu at all i think buying after vega releases is probably the smartest move.

[Marinatall_Ironside]

You can get a GTX 1080 for relatively reasonable prices now (Founders Edition MSRP is USD $549). It used to be pretty expensive during the Ethereum mining craze last I checked and heard.

 

Vega is coming around, but if you are looking for one, make sure that you have a big enough power supply with dual 8-pin connectors. Last I heard, the reference board power is expected to be 295W typical.

 

Also welcome to the forums  (My ears bleed with Soviet beauty)

Edited August 6, 2017 by JurunceNK

[PCGuy_5960]

6 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Volta is going to be a pascal die shrink from what I have heard so there won't be any real improvement probably. 

Pascal is pretty much a Maxwell die shrink. The 1080 is 60%+ faster than a 980. There will be an improvement.

8 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Vega will disrupt the market more than Volta. 

1080 performance for 1080 prices with 2x the power consumption. I really doubt that Vega will disrupt the market in any way shape or form.

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

1080 performance for 1080 prices with 2x the power consumption.

Power consumption has never effectively deterred people from buying something, just ask Core i9 CPUs. 

[stealth80]

1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

 

1080 performance for 1080 prices with 2x the power consumption. I really doubt that Vega will disrupt the market in any way shape or form.

It's gonna shake things up a lot. Yes the power is bad and typical AMD. However, anyone considering a high end GPU and monitor and can now go AMD - when you factor in a vega 56 beating a 1070 (rumoured) for $399 and then a freesync monitor .... it actually becomes a decent buy - provided electricity is cheap!!

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, DrMacintosh said:

Power consumption has never effectively deterred people from buying something, just ask Core i9 CPUs. 

At least Core i9 owners get better performance than the AMD equivalent, Vega performs like a 1080 and draws more power than a 1080 Ti. 

[DrMacintosh]

4 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

At least Core i9 owners get better performance than the AMD equivalent

Whats the core i9 equivalent on AMDs side? Threadripper? Oh.......wait.....the i9 is still a joke. 

 

[stealth80]

5 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

At least Core i9 owners get better performance than the AMD equivalent, Vega performs like a 1080 and draws more power than a 1080 Ti. 

erm no they don't, from the 7820k review I watched, its worse than the 6900k and isn't exactly a tonne faster then R7 1700, but costs over twice as much - from the video below it seems to convey either there's something wrong in the bios etc, or X299 was truly rushed - of course it's just one video

 

 

[LienusLateTips]

6 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

At least Core i9 owners get better performance than the AMD equivalent, Vega performs like a 1080 and draws more power than a 1080 Ti. 

Threadripper has better multithreaded performance

[PCGuy_5960]

2 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

erm no they don't, from the 7800k review I watched, its worse than the 6900k and isn't exactly a tonne faster then R7 1700, but costs over twice as much - from the video below it seems to convey either there's something wrong in the bios etc, or X299 was truly rushed - of course it's just one video

Hardware Unboxed isn't very unbiased. I am waiting for GN's review

1 minute ago, JDE said:

Threadripper has better multithreaded performance

Not if you compare it to the 7980XE

[LienusLateTips]

1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Not if you compare it to a 7980XE

EPYC 7601P is same price and has 32 core 64 threads, uses same socket as threadripper

[Brooksie359]

1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Hardware Unboxed isn't very unbiased. I am waiting for GN's review

Not if you compare it to the 7980XE

most people compare by price because that is what makes most sense when working with a budget. anyways this is kind off topic so we should actually stop and try and answer the original post.

[Shreyas1]

vega is almost a week away. No harm in waiting

[stealth80]

1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Hardware Unboxed isn't very unbiased. I am waiting for GN's review

Well I think that will be even worse as GN will compare X399 to X299, and at this time, Intel are gonna get their arse handed to them 

 

I always wanted X99 but felt it was too expensive. I genuinely have zero interest in X299, the whole platform is a joke, 4c + 4c/8t cpus on there using dual channel, locked raid and no real high end chips. And now it seems there's an issue even when compared to Haswell E

[stealth80]

31 minutes ago, Ya boii said:

So currently my pc has no gpu. Just integrated graphics in my i7 6700k. I have a 165hz 1440p display, that i can't use to its full potential due to me not having a gpu. For about three days i was thinking of buying a 1080. But then i see all the sites saying "Volta will be awesome, It will destroy the current Pascal cars." And the other site is like " Vega will be chesper and it will have the same performance as the pascal cards, pascal is dead." Ok i might be a but over exaggarating, but that is kinda what yhey say. So know i wanned to ask if it is even worth buying a Pascal card this close to Vega and Volta ?

Sorry for the long post.

Vega is close, that is worth waiting for, if it competes/beats a 1080 for less, Nvidia will lower their 1080 prices, that alone is worth waiting for. 

[done12many2]

23 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Whats the core i9 equivalent on AMDs side? Threadripper? Oh.......wait.....the i9 is still a joke.

 

 

I find it completely humerus when people downgrade or discredit stuff that is obviously superior the that of their own.

 

16 minutes ago, JDE said:

EPYC 7601P is same price and has 32 core 64 threads, uses same socket as threadripper

 

That doesn't change the fact that he's still correct.  

 

I love when conversation start out about performance and then switch to value when that doesn't work out.  

[LienusLateTips]

7 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

That doesn't change the fact that he's still correct.  

 

I love when conversation start out about performance and then switch to value when that doesn't work out.  

That also doesn't change the fact that the 7601P is probably better than the 7980XE.

[done12many2]

3 minutes ago, JDE said:

That also doesn't change the fact that the 7601P is probably better than the 7980XE.

 

So you want from performance to value and now to a different class.  Too funny.  Have fun with the "My daddy can beat up your daddy" stuff.  

 

Let me know when you get your 7601P.  

[LienusLateTips]

2 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

So you want from performance to value and now to a different class.  Too funny.  Have fun with the "My daddy can beat up your daddy" stuff.  

 

Let me know when you get your 7601P.  

Hehehe I can't afford it, I'm stuck on a R7 370 for A LONG TIME

 

It's the same price though

[ravenshrike]

11 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Not if you compare it to the 7980XE

There's something about chickens being hatched that could be put here.

 

[PCGuy_5960]

9 minutes ago, JDE said:

That also doesn't change the fact that the 7601P is probably better than the 7980XE.

Don't be 100% sure. The 7601P is running at 2.2GHz or something like that, a 4.7GHz 7980XE should be able to match it or even outperform it

(You will need a much better cooler though)

[stealth80]

7 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

I find it completely humerus when people downgrade or discredit stuff that is obviously superior the that of their own.

X299 is a joke at the moment, it's a rushed product to try and stop the Threadripper hype train. 

 

1) why is an i5 included on the Extreme platform without support for quad channel?

2) Why are some raid configs locked?

3) Why does the 7820K get outperformed in many apps/games by the previous 6900k when the IPC is supposed to be improved?

 

10 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

I love when conversation start out about performance and then switch to value when that doesn't work out.  

People compare products based on price point, I think other like me have see the R7 1700 vs 7700k thrown around more than 30 year old baseball. Even though they aren't aimed at the same thing, its how people compare products - by price point.  So in the same vane, why are people all of a sudden comparing the $599 7820k with the $290/$310 MSRP Ryzen 1700? 

 

In all honesty I see why both sets of comparisons are made. But when you consider twice the cost - I mean OVER 2x the PRICE of a 1700, the 7820k struggles to convincingly beat the 1700 - yes it wins, and so it should at that price. The problem now is for AMD, they have created a CPU of their own now on the equivalent platform as just under the $599 with the 1900X going for $550 MSRP. AMD lose this (they will as it will still crap out at 4.1ghz) then intel can point a finger, I say a finger, as they still need to answer the $799 12 core and $999 16 core variants, which they aren't going to do at anywhere near those prices. 

 

Only a minor few people buy the absolute best component (nice 5960X btw ) the rest of us set a budget and get the best they can at that price point. I switched from a 4790k (previous to that was a 3770K - just to point out I'm not a fanboy before I get accused lol - I bought the best at my price point) to the Ryzen platform as I wanted the cores, yes I mainly game - i'm taking a chance - I believe (my opinion not fact) that games are going to go more multithreaded and in the mean time I can use the extra cores doing other stuff. I spent some time deliberating between the 7700k and the R1700, and this is my point, at this time (in my opinion again lol) this is the only real choice everything else is AMD.

 

Obviously Intel were caught with their pants down a little (reminds a bit of Athlon 64 but not quite as bad) and I reckon Intel will bounce back real hard, starting with coffeelake