The first official renders of Radeon RX Vega leaked

[LAwLz]

1 minute ago, Sakkura said:

Those are the stock clocks for the card. A factory overclock is not a real overclock.

Yeah, sure.

Whatever you say buddy.

[Marinatall_Ironside]

5 hours ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

TDP=/=Power Draw

With GPUs, according to PCPer's testing of both the GTX 1080 Ti (when they premiered their new testing methodology where they directly intercept the PCIe bus power and the PCIe power cables and log that using hardware/software, because this is the most accurate way of measuring power draw. They don't measure power draw at the wall for this very reason) and the Vega FE, the TDP ratings from their respective manufacturers closely correlates to actual power draw.

 

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1080-Ti-Review/Detailed-Power-Consumption-Testing

 

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Radeon-Vega-Frontier-Edition-16GB-Air-Cooled-Review/Clock-Speeds-and-Power-Co

 

Both reviews I linked are for reference air (designs made by the actual manufacturers and not AIB variants or pre-overclocked models), meaning these are reference-reference specs. AIB specs (whether that be for clocks, board design, or both) will be different.

Edited July 28, 2017 by JurunceNK

[Dackzy]

I want that limited edition. God damn it looks beautiful. 

[Doobeedoo]

Love that Limited Edition brushed aluminum looks sweet.

[NumLock21]

Looks like amd took some of the fan rendors, and made into a reality.

 

And, the R

[MEC-777]

18 hours ago, BuckGup said:

Ohhh. That's also why people's PSUs literally caught fire

Well, they are rated at that wattage for a reason. There is some margin of safety, but only to a point. I still don't know how AMD got away with only putting 2 8-pin connectors on a card with 2 290w GPUs. 

[LAwLz]

3 hours ago, MEC-777 said:

Well, they are rated at that wattage for a reason. There is some margin of safety, but only to a point. I still don't know how AMD got away with only putting 2 8-pin connectors on a card with 2 290w GPUs. 

Weren't those GPUs downclocked though?

Dual GPU cards have historically had lower clock speeds.

[PCGuy_5960]

On 7/28/2017 at 8:29 PM, Sakkura said:

This 1080 Ti draws 340W at stock clocks.

 

23 hours ago, LAwLz said:

Ehm... No it doesn't?

 

If you look at the graph you yourself linked you will see this line:

 

When you say "stock clocks" do you by any chance mean the factory overclocked card? Yeah... That's overclocked.

 

21 hours ago, Sakkura said:

Those are the stock clocks for the card. A factory overclock is not a real overclock.

The Factory OC doesn't make a huge difference, but this is a Lighting Z 1080 Ti. The PCB efficiency is what makes the difference, the Lighting Z is designed for extreme overclocking so efficiency is thrown out the window. You can't compare the power consumption of a reference Vega to that of an XOC 1080 Ti.

 

As @LAwLz pointed out an FE 1080 Ti draws 280W at stock. When you overclock the 1080 Ti FE it draws 310W (check PCper review). Vega reference draws more than 400W when you overclock it according to GN's review. Custom PCB Vega cards will draw even more.

[Aceface]

I dont like the big R. Really hope there are a lot of the white ones.

[TheRandomness]

1 hour ago, LAwLz said:

Weren't those GPUs downclocked though?

Dual GPU cards have historically had lower clock speeds.

Nope. They were fully unlocked, 950MHz 290X cores.

[Sakkura]

3 hours ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

 

 

The Factory OC doesn't make a huge difference, but this is a Lighting Z 1080 Ti. The PCB efficiency is what makes the difference, the Lighting Z is designed for extreme overclocking so efficiency is thrown out the window. You can't compare the power consumption of a reference Vega to that of an XOC 1080 Ti.

 

As @LAwLz pointed out an FE 1080 Ti draws 280W at stock. When you overclock the 1080 Ti FE it draws 310W (check PCper review). Vega reference draws more than 400W when you overclock it according to GN's review. Custom PCB Vega cards will draw even more.

The FE is overpriced and thermally limited, so that data is not really relevant.

[LAwLz]

10 hours ago, Sakkura said:

The FE is overpriced

Completely irrelevant.

 

10 hours ago, Sakkura said:

and thermally limited

Depends on what you mean by "thermally limited".

It does not throttle to the point of dropping below the advertised boost speed. If you mean "with better cooling it could run faster" then yes, but the same could be said for anything that isn't running on liquid nitrogen (or something who doesn't have a feature like GPU boost) so it's kind of a moot point.

 

 

Anyway, stop trying to mislead people by posting the 1080 Ti with the highest possible power consumption you could find, in a vain attempt at trying to generalize the power consumption of it. If you look at basically any other model than that particular one you posted, the power draw will be very far off what you said.

Here is the MSI 1080 Ti Gaming X version. It uses 284 watts (and is factory overclocked too, which is in fact an overclock).

 

The Lighting Z card is an extreme case where they threw efficiency out the window. It is not to be taken as a general view of 1080 Ti cards because it is an extreme outlier.

 

 

You're being incredibly dishonest and you're making a fool out of yourself. Stop it.

[Sakkura]

32 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Completely irrelevant.

 

Depends on what you mean by "thermally limited".

It does not throttle to the point of dropping below the advertised boost speed. If you mean "with better cooling it could run faster" then yes, but the same could be said for anything that isn't running on liquid nitrogen (or something who doesn't have a feature like GPU boost) so it's kind of a moot point.

 

 

Anyway, stop trying to mislead people by posting the 1080 Ti with the highest possible power consumption you could find, in a vein attempt at trying to generalize the power consumption of it. If you look at basically any other model than that particular one you posted, the power draw will be very far off what you said.

Here is the MSI 1080 Ti Gaming X version. It uses 284 watts (and is factory overclocked too, which is in fact an overclock).

 

The Lighting Z card is an extreme case where they threw efficiency out the window. It is not to be taken as a general view of 1080 Ti cards because it is an extreme outlier.

 

 

You're being incredibly dishonest and you're making a fool out of yourself. Stop it.

Completely relevant, as sane people will not be buying the version that's more expensive, louder, and has less overclocking headroom.

 

You're the one misleading people by using a thermally limited and unreasonably priced card to skew the overclocked power consumption figure lower than normal.

 

If you want to go around calling other people fools, you should probably first learn to spell, then think about how resorting to ad hominem makes your arguments look.

[PCGuy_5960]

13 hours ago, Sakkura said:

The FE is overpriced

No it's not, Nvidia stopped charging a premium for the FE cards after the 1080 Ti launch.

13 hours ago, Sakkura said:

thermally limited, so that data is not really relevant.

Why? As you can see, an Aftermarket card which is not thermally limited and is factory overclocked draws the same amount of power as the FE, so IMO, this data is 100% relevant.

2 hours ago, LAwLz said:

Here is the MSI 1080 Ti Gaming X version. It uses 284 watts (and is factory overclocked too, which is in fact an overclock).

 

2 hours ago, Sakkura said:

Completely relevant, as sane people will not be buying the version that's more expensive, louder, and has less overclocking headroom.

Wrong. FE cards overclock as well as aftermarket cards, but they are louder and FYI, they are the best choice if you are water cooling.

2 hours ago, Sakkura said:

You're the one misleading people by using a thermally limited and unreasonably priced card to skew the overclocked power consumption figure lower than normal.

The Gaming X is thermally limited?

And the card that retails for MSRP is overpriced?  

 

Based on what you're saying, Vega power consumption numbers are inaccurate and we should wait for the extreme overclocking PCB to measure power consumption.

[Morgan Everett]

I got the FE 1080 Ti because I found an excellent price for it, and aftermarket cards were significantly more expensive. It is louder, but given my headphones and case, I don't hear any of it.

[pzspah]

Pricing has been posted (in Norway) for a Sapphire 21275-01-20G Radeon RX Vega 64 8gb Limited Edition. $926+tax.

 

[Sakkura]

6 hours ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

No it's not, Nvidia stopped charging a premium for the FE cards after the 1080 Ti launch.

Why? As you can see, an Aftermarket card which is not thermally limited and is factory overclocked draws the same amount of power as the FE, so IMO, this data is 100% relevant.

Wrong. FE cards overclock as well as aftermarket cards, but they are louder and FYI, they are the best choice if you are water cooling.

The Gaming X is thermally limited?

And the card that retails for MSRP is overpriced?  

 

Based on what you're saying, Vega power consumption numbers are inaccurate and we should wait for the extreme overclocking PCB to measure power consumption.

Cheapest 1080 Ti in the US is $704. Cheapest 1080 Ti FE in the US is $850. That's overpriced.

 

I never said the Gaming X is thermally limited.

 

The 1080 Ti FE does not retail for MSRP.

 

Vega non-FE power consumption figures are not inaccurate, they are unknown/unconfirmed.

[Vode]

On 7/29/2017 at 0:04 AM, JurunceNK said:

[...] and the Vega FE, the TDP ratings from their respective manufacturers closely correlates to actual power draw.  [...]

That's because AMD rates their Graphics cards with TBP not TDP.

 

TBP = Typical Board Power

[Marinatall_Ironside]

4 minutes ago, Vode said:

That's because AMD rates their Graphics cards with TBP not TDP.

 

TBP = Typical Board Power

Nvidia does it too, though they call it "Graphics Card Power (W)", which is the same thing as Typical Board Power, which is why with their ratings when you directly test the power consumption by bypassing all other system components like how PCPer does their testing, you get very accurate results when you compare them against the vendor's ratings.

 

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/10series/geforce-gtx-1080-ti/ I used the GeForce GTX 1080 Ti as an example. You'll find the full specs by clicking on the "View Full Specs" button.

Edited July 30, 2017 by JurunceNK

[Vode]

4 minutes ago, JurunceNK said:

Nvidia does it too, though they call it "Graphics Card Power (W)", which is the same thing as Typical Board Power, which is why with their ratings when you directly test the power consumption by bypassing all other system components like how PCPer does their testing, you get very accurate results when you compare them against the vendor's ratings.

 

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/10series/geforce-gtx-1080-ti/ I used the GeForce GTX 1080 Ti as an example. You'll find the full specs by clicking on the "View Full Specs" button.

It linked me to their German website but it stated pretty much what you just said. 

 

I didn't notice before that the Green Team does the same thing!

[PCGuy_5960]

1 hour ago, Sakkura said:

Cheapest 1080 Ti in the US is $704. Cheapest 1080 Ti FE in the US is $850. That's overpriced.

1 hour ago, Sakkura said:

The 1080 Ti FE does not retail for MSRP.

Maybe, just maybe, this happens because they are sold out? If you can find them in stock they don't cost more than $700

1 hour ago, Sakkura said:

I never said the Gaming X is thermally limited.

You did:

10 hours ago, LAwLz said:

Anyway, stop trying to mislead people by posting the 1080 Ti with the highest possible power consumption you could find, in a vain attempt at trying to generalize the power consumption of it. If you look at basically any other model than that particular one you posted, the power draw will be very far off what you said.

Here is the MSI 1080 Ti Gaming X version. It uses 284 watts (and is factory overclocked too, which is in fact an overclock).

And you replied:

9 hours ago, Sakkura said:

You're the one misleading people by using a thermally limited and unreasonably priced card to skew the overclocked power consumption figure lower than normal.

 

1 hour ago, Sakkura said:

Vega non-FE power consumption figures are not inaccurate, they are unknown/unconfirmed.

They are using the exact same die, RX Vega's power consumption is going to be similar to Vega FE's. (The Titan Xp draws the same amount of power as the 1080 Ti)

[Sakkura]

57 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Maybe, just maybe, this happens because they are sold out? If you can find them in stock they don't cost more than $700

You did:

And you replied:

 

They are using the exact same die, RX Vega's power consumption is going to be similar to Vega FE's. (The Titan Xp draws the same amount of power as the 1080 Ti)

I was not referring to that post. His very first post in this thread was referring to the 1080 Ti FE.

 

They are using the same die. That doesn't necessarily mean the power consumption will be the same. R9 Nano vs. R9 Fury X would be an extreme example of that.

[MEC-777]

On 29/07/2017 at 3:33 PM, LAwLz said:

Weren't those GPUs downclocked though?

Dual GPU cards have historically had lower clock speeds.

Not the 295x2. It used 2 slightly OC'd 290X GPUs.